BMW loses court battle to chinese X5 clone

This is why you should never do high-end manufacturing in China. Intellectual property does not have any standing in a Communist environment.

Hi , Thanks for this great comment this is true I always have the same way to think , and there is the consecuences now, the same happens with Hunday and theirs last models like the Genesis is a mixer copy , interior and dash of the CLS with low quality,truck of the S class,grill of the Mercedes idea, wow I really hate this.
Now the create the new Sonata is a bad similar copy of the VW Passat. German Brands needs to take action agains them but right now.

TurboSpyder, you are ridiculous unless you were trying to be sarcastic. The worst thing is that Chinese do not feel guilty about copying. In fact, they copy everything with poor quality; cars, software, hardware, food, and you name it. They need to be educated better morally.

Top Gear if you can't tell he was being sarcastic YOU are ridiculous.

Funny how people on this board talk about IP when 90% of you(if not more) have at least 1 downloaded mp3 on your computer.

Things that make you go hmmm.

In all seriousness, who the hell will buy this crap anyway. They have problems making toothpaste and baby formula.

Take a look at this youtube video(I hope autospies TOS allows me to post external links) which shows a great performance of a Chinese Car in a standard crash test.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5SRyG6UR2A

It's not just the Chinese, Hyundai's aren't made there...

The Chinese selling knockoffs?, theres a shocker!! I dont know why but out of all the things they do copy and rip off this one really bothers me...maybe its cuz im a car nut. I hope BMW, and Mercedes, both win their cases.

it started with the italian pocket books (gucci,fendi,prada) now they graduated to the cars.lololololololol

Is important to take action agains them, in my owne case I never buy copies from them.

The Chinese government has no SHame. Does this make them inhuman? YES, just to say the least. But shame is not distinctly a HUMAN emotion, even dogs appeared to be ashamed after they've done something naughty! I guess therefore this makes the people of the Chinese government less worthy of our respect than DOGS.

You are spot on. Dogs, by the way, who are the most loving, loyal, and social beings you'll ever know are farmed, butchered, and eaten by these contemptible, heartless sub-animal chinese. They are now raising St. Bernards en mass for this purpose - horrific.

"Translation of an article published in the Chinese newspaper "Orient Express" on July 16, 1998:

Saint Bernards become food dogs - Mainland China promotes import

Despite the Chinese government’s constant declaration of its extraordinary achievements in environmental and wildlife protection, some government agencies recently are promoting the import of Saint Bernards for food. Chinese experts recently found that for massive captive breeding and killing for meat, the best kind of dogs is the Saint Bernards, which are imported from Switzerland, also called "Big Dumb Dog"

According to the China Central Television in Beijing, the experts pointed out that Saint Bernards are fast growing and disease resistant. The advantages of using them for food dogs are that they eat less than other dogs but breed fast. Because they rest immediately after meals, they grow faster too, on average gaining over one pound per day. Within a month, they could grow to be over 30 pounds. In three to four months, they will be ready for the market.

Beside the obvious advantage of fast growing , Saint Bernard also breed fast. On Average a female gives birth once a year. Litter size usually is around nine to twelve, nearly double that of other breeds. The CCTV reports also stressed that Saint Bernards are kind and friendly in nature. They don not bite people, so the breeders need not worry. "Big Dumb Dogs" are usually trained for rescue purposes in winter. "

Even more...

Protest over plight of doomed St Bernards
ISSUE 2090 Tuesday 13 February 2001

By David Rennie in Beijing

THE Swiss parliament is to investigate the plight of thousands of St
Bernard dogs being bred in China for their meat.
St Bernards are almost unknown as pets in China. But the "Big Dumb
Dogs", as the Chinese nickname them, are prized by China's "meat
dog" breeders for their gentleness, their rapid breeding and the
ease with which they can be fattened up.
A petition signed by 11,000 St Bernard breeders and owners worldwide
was submitted to the Swiss government by SOS St Bernard
International, a Geneva-based group. The Swiss embassy in Beijing
said yesterday that after such a petition, parliament would normally
ask for an official report.
But this would probably deal only with reports of dogs being
tortured before slaughter to improve meat quality, a diplomat said.
He added: "As for the fact that the dogs are eaten, I think
Switzerland can do nothing about that officially; these are
differences in culture. The more delicate question is how the
animals are killed."
A staff member at a large state-funded dog farm, the Lin Xing
Raising and Propagating Centre in the north-eastern province of
Shanxi, said yesterday that St Bernards were a "business with a good
future" in China. He added: "We started in spring 1998 with 20 dogs
imported from Switzerland. Now we have more than 100 dogs in our
centre.
"They are really easy to breed. We give them a pound of corn meal a
day and some cow offal. The dogs are very large, and their meat is
delicious. It is much more nutritious than normal dog meat." The
centre quoted prices of 60Yuen for a six-month-old St Bernard or up to
?,000 for an adult male, several years' wages for the average
Chinese city-dweller.
A brochure published by the Shenyang Agriculture and Science
Development Institute, in the far northeastern province of Liaoning,
praised the St Bernards' "high farrowing rate", its "fine and tasty"
meat and noted that its "gentle disposition is good for group
breeding". Returns from meat dog farming were four times higher than
from pig farming, the brochure added.
There are no animal cruelty laws in China and domestic animals have
no protection. There is evidence that meat dogs are deliberately
hurt just before slaughter in the belief that adrenalin improves
their meat.

Sick Fucks.

Press Release
Saint Bernard dogs favorite food dogs in China

On 5th February 2001 we will deposit a petition with approx. 11'000 signatures at the Swiss government in Bern, mainly signed by Saint Bernard dog owners and breeders all over the world.

The signers of this petition, who take care of the image of Saint Bernard dogs and therefore also of the image of Switzerland, expect from the Swiss Government an intervention at the Chinese government. We want a clear feedback on what is happening with the Saint Bernard dogs in China. We also expect from the Chinese government suggestions how to stop this abject business. Saint Bernard dogs are adored all over the world for their historic background as rescue dogs and their gentle character.

We already know that the Chinese breed since 5 years Saint Bernard dogs in an industrial way as reproduction dogs for food dogs. They imported pure breed Saint Bernard dogs from Western countries . The manager of the breeding site in Shanxi (China), whose site is financed by the Chinese government, says very clearly that just now he is breeding pure breed Saint Bernard dogs but he expects with his 90 Saint Bernard dogs to become in a few years the biggest dog meat factory in China. Presently there are 20 industrial Saint Bernard breeding sites all over China. The Chinese breeders say, that in a few years there will as many Saint Bernard dogs in China as cows and sheep. Their slogan is, that breeding Saint Bernard dogs is 4 times more profitable than pigs and 3 times more profitable than chicken. In addition the meat of Saint Bernard dogs seems to be particularly tasty and healthy for the human body.

It also has to be mentioned that animals are slaughtered in a very painful way in China. The aim of slaughtering animals slowly and with extreme pain is to increase the level of adrenaline in the body of the animal.

Can Switzerland watch silently what is happening to Saint Bernard dogs in China and at the same time present to tourists these rescue dogs as a historic symbol of Switzerland? The answer is NO!

The signers of this petition expect a clear answer from the Swiss government.

We can also be reached by phone at the following number: +41 78 77 39 809.

Geneva, 27th January 2001

Sick C&nts.

Somebody should ship their Central Asian Ovcharka Dog to one of these meat dog factories with fur painted like a St. Bernard.

They will have a visit from a VERY spiteful dog, not your docile and gentle Saint! Needless to say, after the dog gets out of his crate every single one of the meat dog factory workers will be mauled to death by one of the greatest breeds in the world, the Central Asian Ovcharka.

"They keep the dogs in small cages until it is time for slaughter. When the dogs are big enough, they (the Chinese), believe that if they can increase the adrenaline level in the dog, just before they die, it will create a meat that can increase virility in men. Therefore, they torture the dogs to death. Two of the most popular ways are:1. Confirmed reports that breeders normally killed dogs destined for the butcher by cutting a hole in the paw and bleeding them to death. ``It's true, and it takes them about 10 minutes to die, but this way the meat tastes better.''2. They catch the dog with an iron pinch. The dog is petrified. The shop owners assistant starts to beat the dog’s head with a stick. The dog screams of pain and loses all control and urinates and defecates at the same time. As the dog keeps fighting in his agony, the assistant hits the dog once more strongly with his stick. The dog finally collapses. The owner takes a knife and starts immediately opening the throat of the dog. The assistant pulls out all the organs of the dog and removes the skin from the dog. The reason for this? A dog who is scared produces adrenaline, the meat of the dog slaughtered that way is very good for men's virility."

SICK FVCKS!

LOL, Violating IP makes the chinese govt inhumane.

Compared to everything else that they do(or don't do) it makes them look like saints.

Makes me love America that much more!!!!!

I agree. Chinese government doesn't respect the concept of intellectual property. Take Starbucks for example, imitations (ranging from copies of signages, menus, store setups, beverages and food offered, so on and so forth) were all over china way before Starbucks opened the first store in China. Starbucks sued these stores and they still lost the case.

BMW needs to take more effective actions agains them and Mercedes too. I am don't forget Huanday this the """"New Genesis and Sonata """""" lol lol lol is a mixer or shake of the german brands.

They also sell imitations of brand name phones (Sonyericsson, LG, Samsung, etc.) at a fraction of the cost. You name it, they make it for you.

The car designer that designed this ripoff should get a brain in his head and learn how to design for himself.

Yes yes yes everybody need to take action agains them JUST ONE TIME AND THAT'S ALL.
THEY HAVE TO RESPECT OTHERS.

You don't need to boycott, Just don't buy it...

Good luck finding something which has nothing to do with China. They are everywhere, chips in TV, phones, radio, computer, etc, and other things like shoes, clothes are also made there... Check your power supply for your laptop or mobile phone or digital camera. Most likely they are made in China. Our lives already heavily depend on their cheap labour. Companies go there for the substantial cost benefit.
Also, China is definitely not the only place you find them. Go to Spain or Italy. Go to Malaysia. You can find a fantastic copy of Omega watches. Question is, are people who buy these copies capable of buying the real ones in the first place? It's not like stealing music or movies online or buying pirated CD and DVDs. Copying is bad and they should be punished, but we cannot forget the enormous benefit we exploit from them.

As for the question of morality, judging from many immoral comments here, many of the people here don't have the right to question someone else's morality before questioning themselves.

I don't see this as bad as some of you. You still get what you paid for. Just because the outside is kind of similar to X5, doesn't mean the car is a copy. Actually I will laugh my butt off if my neighbor buys one of this.

This is not like Microsoft which just make the product better and sell it at 1/2 of the price.

As I said, You get what you paid for. If the Chinese wants to increase the sale by copying the outter appearance, So let them.

You and I won't buy it because they look like X5 even if is 1/2 price.

Now that was one stupid a_ _ comment.

i can't imagine anyone would actually buy that chinese piece of shit. do a search for the crash test videos of that thing. you'll see the difference between it and a real X5. in the crash tests, that thing folds up like it was made of paper. my favorite part is when the steering wheel goes straight into the headrest.

BMW won't be hurting from 1,200 sales of this clone. And I doubt they will even get that many sales.

I feel the depression has effect on reviews here.

But i still agree with the comments!

Wow, just.....WOW!

Hello, Vancouver! LOL!

I love Vancouver, but there are just WAY too many bums in that city smoking crack on the street in broad daylight while doing pushups and Thai Chi in front of oncoming traffic.

The food is amazing, though.

I live in SF and there is a large Asian population here. Actually it is a relief because I can relate to them more than the whites and blacks. I would feel more comfortable living in a place where Asians are the majority rather than whites or blacks.

I'm from Vancouver and i'm Chinese. Although it is quite bad in the downtown east side, it's mostly segregated in that area only and certain parts of Surrey (a suburb).

Vancouver is one of the most beautiful cities to visit or live in.

Descended from the dragon? how come I've never heard my parents and my grandparents and great grandparents say that? What kind of chinese have you met?

Call me crazy but I don't see much problem with this particular case. Some others yes. To me it does not look close enough to the BMW to cause such a stir. People in the market for a BMW will not even look at this car. One glance at it and you can tell the difference. To me it falls within the range of bland SUV designs out there. There are so many other SUV's that have this basic bland shape it would seem difficult to have a definite argument that it is a copy. Yes, they copied some of the basic design cues but I mean it would be difficult to hold it up in court. Just my opinion.

How does the St. Bernard taste?

Do your friends know you eat dog meat?

Yea, I did know that. As soon as any special event is held there (for these purposes: Korea and China), morality is an issue. When they are over - forget it.

"We last left the story of Internet censorship in the People's Republic of China when the IOC had reached a deal with the Chinese government whereby some of the press restrictions were lifted. With the 2008 Olympics now but a memory, China has began censoring foreign news sources again. Maybe the West is making too big of a deal over this, as many Chinese citizens seem to like it that way."




"Dog meat off the menu during Beijing Olympics
Restaurant staff told to 'patiently' suggest other options for diners

*** Dog meat banned from Beijing menus ***
July 11: During the August Olympics, dog meat will not be served in Beijing restaurants. Msnbc.com's Dara Brown reports.

msnbc.com

Exclusive Summer Olympics news & widgets at NBCOlympics.com!

updated 11:24 a.m. CT, Fri., July. 11, 2008

BEIJING - Canine cuisine is being sent to the doghouse during next month’s Beijing Olympic Games.

Dog meat has been struck from the menus of officially designated Olympic restaurants, and Beijing tourism officials are telling other outlets to discourage consumers from ordering dishes made from dogs, the official Xinhua News Agency reported Friday.

Waiters and waitresses should “patiently” suggest other options to diners who order dog, it said, quoting city tourism bureau Vice Director Xiong Yumei."

LOL! Read this:

"Global News - December 2008

'Monkeys go bananas'

Fri 19 December 2008 15:07 UK — Asia,Primates

Picture for article: Three Chinese monkeys abused to entertain tourists turned the tables on their trainer by beating him.

The primates turned on their trainer after he beat one of them with a stick as they rode mini bicycles in a market in Sizhou in eastern China, twisting his ears, pulling out his hair and biting his neck.

Police are investigating allegations of animal cruelty after the incident, in which one of the monkeys repeatedly hit the man over the head with a cane until it snapped.

The trainer said afterwards: "They were once wild and these performances don't always come naturally to them. They may have built up some feelings of hatred towards me."

China is infamous for its acts of animal cruelty with the animal Olympics held at Shanghai Olympics provoking particular outrage with animal rights campaigners.

News brought to you by International Animal Rescue, saving animals from suffering around the world."


Those animals will do anything to turn a profit over there.

Dude, I am not from China nor am I from Asian decent. I am just stating the facts. I get along with Chinese very well. How many of you have even been to China?

I have a friend who was doing business in China for 10 years.

He is a manufacturer of wine fridges.

He decided to have a factory manufacture his design there. However, as soon as his design started being manufactured at his facility in China, there was already a company manufacturing his EXACT design.. HMM!

The reason I came across this information was because I was consulting him about whether or not I should proceed with a deal of food manufacturing equipment from Shanghai. He said, "They're little theifs! They work one job at a company, stay there for a year, change their name, hop to another company after they are done stealing, and do the same thing all over again."

That sounded eerily familiar to my sales person who I was consulting for food processing machinery..

He was known as one name, "Max Chang". When I called him at his newest company he worked for (he previously changed companies twice in the last two years) they had no idea who "Max Chang" was so they asked for his Chinese name. I did some detective work by calling companies I knew he previously worked for because I had been talking to him for the last year and had tried to keep him on his tippy-toes to ensure things were going to stay "kosher". They had no idea who "Max Chang" was so I told them the Chinese name "Chang Rhui Hua". "Ahh! Ryawin Chang!" They gave me the cell number and when the suspect picked up, I asked "Max Chang?". "ohhh, Mr. Michael!" Hmmm... suspect! How come I am the only person he could figure would ask for a Max Chang?

No reputable salesperson has a reason to change their name. I would never change my company name. If I ever had a reason to for re-branding, I would change my name and advertise that fact because many customers would want to know.

When I had told my wine-fridge manufacturing friend about the situation of my salesperson in Shanghai he told me that he was the typical thieving little bastard Chinese salesman. I mean, his M.O. was described perfectly before I spilled the beans about my experience with a Chinese salesperson.

Besides this, my friend received 2-53' trailers of faulty equipment from his exporters in China.

That was the last straw.

Fuck China.

hateful thread. yeah they are wrong for copying but some of the hate here is scary..

none of you has lost a dime because of it..if you're that up in arms about it lobby your senator so that none of the copies make it stateside but relax with the hate!

vman, it isn't hate to tell the truth. The Chinese ARE torturing and eating dogs and talking about openly isn't hate, it's free speech. What they do to these gentle and loving St. Bernards is beyond disgusting. Anyone who is associated with these scumbags should be ashamed. Anyone who defends their behavior is just as much of a scumbag. The Chinese intentionally cause severe pain to a St. Bernard by cutting a hole in the paw and bleed them to death over ten minutes. "The dog screams of pain and loses all control and urinates and defecates at the same time. As the dog keeps fighting in his agony, the assistant hits the dog once more strongly with his stick. The dog finally collapses. The owner takes a knife and starts immediately opening the throat of the dog. The assistant pulls out all the organs of the dog and removes the skin from the dog. The reason for this? A dog who is scared produces adrenaline, the meat of the dog slaughtered that way is very good for men's virility."

No amount of benefit is worth doing that to a St. Bernard.

Sick Fvcks indeed.

more wood more fire
right to copy
if you can do it.. do it
sharing
sell cheap sell more

My 1999 INFINITI G20 sedan is far superior to anything BMW or the Chinese can muster.

I can't believe how far off-topic these rants are getting!

BACK TO THE TOPIC of X5 vs CEO:

The CEO has the EXACT same shape as the X5, but it actually has a different line to the bottom of the very rear of the side glass, and a different front.

Similarly, the Malibu has the EXACT same shape as the Audi A6, but it actually has a different line to the bottom of the very rear of the side glass, and a different front.

So, you'd better not call the CEO a clone, because applying those rules would mean that America's largest car-maker is illegally copying German vehicles too!

Shuanghuan is no worse than GM.

Finally some since in this stupid _ss racist thread.

I meant sense.

wow, boy! I've never, ever seen a topic about China drew so much attention. God I'm feeling really jelous at those Chinese people. Actually deep inside, I'm scared about this country. Think about how much of our national debt in their hands, how fast they're developing, how hard those people are working, dispite the copying scandle, you people just sitting here wasting words while the Chinese are working hard silently taking over the world. Where is our auto industry? If GM can copy something and really survives, I say do it! Shame on you Americans!

Most of the comments here are stupid and not worth replying too. Good to see there are still a lot of racists in this country. I would bet many of you have not even been to China or studied their culture. This thread would have been descent if people could stay on topic and not let their racist side come out. And what's this dribble about people eating dogs and porn?

TurboSpyder, maybe you should read the article here again that pertains to cars to help you get back on topic.

Can we stay on topic and not turn this into a racist rant about China and how they eat dogs. FYI, Koreans eat dogs as well.

We are all to blame for the rise of Communist China and their infiltration into the global economy. Every country, especially ours, has consumed Chinese goods whether it’s cheap lead painted toys at Walmart or the latest slick Ipod. The Chinese have an almost fanatical love of wealth. In fact, they are so fixated with wealth that they will even go as far to harm their own to make a couple of extra Yuans. There are so many people in China that humans are almost an expendable commodity. A sad example of this is the poisoning their own young with melamine additives in infant formula (added to make the formula look “rich” in protein) to make bigger profits. Any society that is willing to poison their young at such a grand scale for the sake of profits is really at its moral end. Companies like BMW and GM were lured to China in hopes of big profits and “Globalization.” The Communist Chinese government’s goal was to court big companies to invest so much in China that can get out. Once that’s accomplished, they start to literally copy intellectual property for their own gains. These are hard lessons that we all need to learn from. I know they’re been talk on this blog about how Ford wants to sell Volvo to the Chinese. HUGE MISTAKE! You might as well throw the Volvo brand into the toilet forever. The global problem now is to untangle itself from the reliance of cheap goods from China. Just try going to your local Target and buy something that’s not made in China…nearly impossible. But a little will go a long way. If we all stopped buying goods that are made in China things will eventually turn around not only for us but for the citizens of China as well.

Where do you think some Chinese get their desire for wealth and consumption? Take a guess where this came from and what it will do to the world if it continues at this rate? You think things are bad now?

"The mutual sniping is part of the growing pains in maturing U.S.-China relations. For Beijing, though, great face is at stake as it seeks to gain equal footing with the U.S. Perhaps that helps explain the vitriol of recent campaigns against consumerism, which, to Beijing's chagrin, have had little impact on the masses. Beijing has had much greater success using politics as a wedge in negotiations over airliner purchases and auto plants, as Boeing and General Motors can attest. This is a remarkable gauge of how much the mainland has changed over the last decade: Beijing is more capable of bullying concessions from foreign firms than reining in consumerism sweeping its once-constrained and centrally controlled state.

The irony must irk even more; it is Uncle Sam who is driving much of this consumerism. "Despite what Beijing says, the Chinese can't get enough of Americana," a U.S. businessman based in Shanghai says. "It's created a real bizarre schism. The government may paint a picture of America as a devil country, but the average Chinese looks at America with total fascination."

I also read somewhere that some want to encourage the Chinese to consume more and become more like us (screwed financially and wasting) in order to help the world economy. And where does this thinking come from? And it seems the encouragement is working. You guys make the Chinese to be the "bad" guys. Everyone is a player in this.

Yeah! What kthor said! And I'll add this... I'll never eat another hot dog.

Too many people here are painting way to broad a brush on the ENTIRE Chinese population. How many of you have even been there? Do you really think you can generalize a billion people like you are?

Again, let me ask you guys, who do you think the masterminds of consumerism are? Where do you think these ideas of elitism and status through consumption come from? So, somebody who can't afford a BMW but wants to drive around in something that looks like it because they are getting brainwashed seems to create a fine market of imitations.

"China today is undergoing a consumer revolution, a revolution which is as far reaching and radical as the political, social, and cultural revolutions that preceded it. Today the Chinese people consume unprecedented amounts of goods, services, and experiences, and dream of consuming far more. By encouraging such consumerism, the Chinese state has been able to delay political reform and divert public attention from China’s growing social and environmental problems. Yet this strategy has come at an increasing cost. While state-guided consumerism has helped to promote economic growth and protect the party’s hold on power, it has also produced unequalled environmental devastation. This paper assesses that dynamic. I begin by tracing the origins of China’s new consumerism, examining the role of party leaders and state institutions in shaping consumerist values. Next, I assess the political economy of consumerism in three key sectors: the auto industry, the housing industry, and the tourist industry. In each of those areas, increasing consumer demand is placing more and more pressure on the Chinese state, society, and environment. I conclude by arguing that such pressure threatens to destroy the delicate balance between economic growth, political control, and environmental protection in China today. If China is not able to find a way to regain control over its consumer revolution, the social, political, and environmental consequences are likely to be catastrophic."