Toyota Builds A Better Taurus X and Calls It Venza - Is This The Return of Station Wagons?

Toyota Builds A Better Taurus X and Calls It Venza - Is This The Return of Station Wagons?
I don't know about where you live, but where I live almost every commercial break has at least one Toyota commercial featuring the 2009 Venza.

But what is it?

I went to the Toyota Website to research the Venza selecting the "Build Your Toyota" tab to check out the different trim levels available on this newest Toyota. 

I clicked on the SUV & VAN tab expecting to see the Venza lined up next to the Highlander, FJ Cruiser and Sienna.  I was perplexed as the Venza was nowhere to be seen.  I was confused for a moment until I realized the Venza had been stuck into the CARS category.

My confusion continued as the Venza looks like an SUV - alright not a full blown SUV, more of a crossover.  But crossover in my book still equates closer to SUV than it does car.  And a car the Venza is not.  It is tall like an SUV - I mean crossover, and it has similar proportions.

Is Toyota trying to pull a fast one on us.

Maybe they are smarter than us, maybe I am the one who is wrong.

It left me scratching my head, what exactly is a Venza.

If it looks like a crossover, but drives like a car...

Wait, I got it.  It is a station wagon.

That has got to be it.  A modern day Camry station wagon called Venza.

But why?

So I left the computer and made some tea, they say the anti-oxidants will help cleanse the system, perhaps it will help me cleanse my mind as well, allowing a Zen like approach to the Venza.

As the tea bag steeped and the flavors extracted, the Venza revealed itself to me, and I started to understand.

And as if a trance had fallen over me, I began to compare the Venza to a car that has caused a collective Yawn so extensive across the automotive landscape, that I don't even think I remember seeing one on the road. 

The Ford Taurus X.


A car SO BORING that NOBODY took notice that this car went on sale, let alone is still on sale.

Well, not quite Nobody.  Toyota took notice.

Perhaps they know something we don't , as the new Venza clearly has the Taurus X locked in the cross hairs with a product so similar, one might wonder why Ford doesn't ramp back up the marketing machine and start advertising the living daylights out of the Taurus X.

If Toyota has chosen the lowly Taurus X as the benchmark to improve on with the Venza, than Ford just might have a hit on its hands AND NOT EVEN KNOW IT.

And with the ability to offer incentives ranging from 0% interest for 60 months, to large cash rebates, Ford certainly can offer a better Venza with their Taurus X.

I know what you are thinking, I have lost my mind.  Perhaps the Zen like experience the tea I made has made me mad, but look at the facts.  Lined up together it is hard to distinguish the two.

Example, both come with 3.5 Liter V6 engines sporting 4-valve cylinder heads and 6-Speed automatic transmissions.  In pricing the 2, the Toyota was $37,355 while the Ford priced out at $37,485,  One Hundred and Thirty Dollars more expensive than the Toyota, but remember the incentives which has the potential to make the Taurus X considerably less expensive.

Both cars come in either front wheel or all wheel drive setups, and at a rated 268 horespower the Venza leads with a 5 horsepower advantage.

The list goes on and on with almost all critical items within a hair of each other, the only item that the Taurus X shows any significant difference on is overall length, besting the Venza by close to 11 inches measuring 200.3 inches in overall length to the Venzas 189.0.

So is Toyota onto something here?

Should Ford pull out all the stops and start advertising the Taurus X as the American Venza?

Or, will the Venza linger on dealer lots like the Taurus X?

Time will ultimately be the judge, but from my perspective if no one bought the Taurus X, why on earth would they buy a Venza?

Of course the modern day station wagon makes a lot more sense for most families than a full blown SUV and both Ford and Toyota know that.

They just don't want you calling them station wagons.


DaHarderDaHarder - 12/28/2008 9:24:25 PM
+8 Boost
Seriously Now...

The Ford Taurus X was a true multi-purpose vehicle with a cavernous (by comparison) interior capable of seating more than 5 individuals, and though it failed to find a requisite number of buyers to make it profitable for Ford, it was far more than a mildly reworked Toyota Camry, with 5-doors, and not more than 5 seating areas.


chewychewy - 12/28/2008 10:54:44 PM
-3 Boost
the third row in that thing is not very spacious, I estimate it to be good for elementary school age kids only

but yes, we are getting really close to the original station wagon


hao420hao420 - 12/29/2008 1:45:03 AM
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Taurus match Virgo.....<


kornholiokornholio - 12/29/2008 6:52:19 AM
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Chewy- I happen to own a Ford Freestyle, and my six foot, three inch tall little brother had no problem sitting in the third row- his knees didn't even touch the seats in front of him.


golfer38golfer38 - 12/29/2008 2:28:28 PM
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Kornholio is right. We leased the Freestyle by default, because at the time (3yrs. ago) it was the only midsized "suv" with 3 rows of seats that offered captains chairs in the second row and a large enough third row. It has 37" of knee room in the third row. Chewy, get a clue, please.


pacotacololpacotacolol - 12/30/2008 3:16:38 PM
+1 Boost
the crossover is another name for station wagon to me


91z4me91z4me - 12/28/2008 9:43:15 PM
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FWIW the Taurus X (formerly Freestyle) has evolved into the Ford Flex which is essentially an improved chassis with a catchier exterior.


SteedPubSteedPub - 12/28/2008 11:44:19 PM
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Stupid comparison. One might say, " Looky, Looky....Toyota built a better Taurus X".

Whatever.....4 years after Ford built one.

But alas, Toyota is pretty late to the party. GM, Chrysler, and Ford have all been on the crossover kick now for a few years.


_43LE_43LE - 12/29/2008 12:53:58 AM
+2 Boost
Really, who really started it all?


_43LE_43LE - 12/29/2008 9:43:44 AM
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Yes, but who started the modern day crossover segment?


dumpstydumpsty - 12/29/2008 11:15:19 AM
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The Highlander is a crossover SUV based on the Camry platform, isn't it?

If I'm right, that same platform underpins the ES and the RX luxury crossover SUV.

Toyota has been doing crossovers for years. This isn't their 1st try and the Taurus X definitely isn't their benchmark...more like a golden example of what NOT to build or market.


mmmpowrmmmpowr - 12/28/2008 11:51:04 PM
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I thought Ford recently announced that they were pulling the plug on the Taurus X.


EL34EL34 - 12/29/2008 12:56:08 AM
+3 Boost
That thing should have been called the Toyota Mumbly Peg.

:-\


elduderionelduderion - 12/29/2008 1:34:47 AM
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Ok it has to be said. Toyota simply copied Ford, again. But they copied the Edge. Even down to the 3 bar grille, and the over sized wheel offering. Way to recycle an American idea and 'Toyotise' it. This will appeal to those who love Jap cars and won't drive an Edge cause its a Ford.


XYZZXYZZ - 12/29/2008 4:26:41 AM
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.l..


XYZZXYZZ - 12/29/2008 4:28:47 AM
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it' all in the greenhouse, guys.

boring, upright C/D pillars = boring, old station wagons.

swoopy, slanted pillars = stylish suvs and crossovers.




XYZZXYZZ - 12/29/2008 4:36:52 AM
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exception if you're a euro brand. where porsche and volvo STATION WAGONS that happen to be awd can be "suvs."

and if you're bmw, you can make suv "coupes."




diesselxpdiesselxp - 12/29/2008 6:19:48 AM
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averybody said toyota copied ford edge?
toyota did the first concept with the FT-SX and if you can see ford copied first toyota concept or not?
even down to the 3 bar grille right?
toyota FT-SX was introduced in 2005 and ford EDGE was introduced in 2006.
anyway toyota venza looks crosswagon.



kornholiokornholio - 12/29/2008 6:56:05 AM
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This pudgy Toyota is a copy of a Kia Rondo.


montyz81montyz81 - 12/29/2008 7:17:44 AM
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This seems to match better to a Murano.


kpaxxkpaxx - 12/29/2008 7:27:43 AM
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I'd get the ford since we all know toyota quality is a in the dumps! PLUS the Taurus X or Edge will handle better and ride better siince they are built on a better chassis!


dumpstydumpsty - 12/29/2008 10:46:15 AM
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Isn't the Venza based on the Camry platform? I think Toyota is testing the market too. Why do they still make the Highlander, if they now have the Venza? The Highlander is a crossover SUV also, but the Venza has Toyota's new design language. For all purposes the two are the same.

I don't think Toyota noticed the Freestyle/Taurus X as much as you think. They've made a better Highlander, but just haven't stopped making/selling the it yet.

I believe that when their hybrid transmission is ready for the Venza, the Highlander will go away.

And if you look at the Venza enough, you see the newest RX too. So Toyota is trying to decrease the chances that the public will think that they attempting to pull a badge-engineering trick...so they left the Highlander in the lineup to keep the charade going.


AmazonPrinceIS350AmazonPrinceIS350 - 12/29/2008 12:16:35 PM
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Ground Chuck everyone knows the Freeystyle isn't that much of a looker so your just making fun of Ford when you should say some of the reasons why they didn't sell that many and what they can do to improve that.

Ford still has yet to create its' own design language for their cars, the new front end of the Ford Focus is def. a move in the right direction. Good job Ford!


mercuryguymercuryguy - 12/29/2008 11:46:05 AM
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The Production Lincoln MKt Luxury Wagon will be at the Detroit Show and it looks like it will be a leading edge wagon. I'll just wait for that wagon.

http://www.autoblog.com/photos/2010-lincoln-mkt-spy-shots/

The 2010 Redesigned Taurus is Hot as well:

http://www.autoblog.com/photos/spy-shots-2010-ford-taurus/

Imagine the Lincoln Wagon with Turbo and the Dual Clutch Gearbox Ford plans for it's coming drivelines.


mercuryguymercuryguy - 12/29/2008 11:51:17 AM
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With the Ford Edge and the Flex, I don't think Ford needs the Taurus-X anymore. Too bad, because the Limited Model looked very sharp, Two Tone Exterior and Camel Leather.


mercuryguymercuryguy - 12/29/2008 12:20:50 PM
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It is just easier to say "wagon" than "CUV" or "Crossover".

Why reinvent the wheel?


WhelanWhelan - 12/29/2008 12:30:25 PM
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Don't forget you have others in this segment too.

Chrysler Pacifica (one of the originals)
Chevy Traverse (new)
Dodge Journey (fairly new)
And according to Honda, the new Pilot is not a Crossover, LOL.


aaspiridisaaspiridis - 12/30/2008 12:49:51 AM
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Isn't this simply Toyota devising another way to increase their ROI on the Lexus RX350?


WhelanWhelan - 12/30/2008 9:53:39 AM
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How does one get a deboost for naming other crossover vehicles? It wasn't even an opinion, simply a note added in. I guess 12 year olds really do lurk this site.

The Venza looks larger than the RX though. The RX is shared with I believe the Highlander while the 4 Runner shares with the GX.


aaspiridisaaspiridis - 12/30/2008 6:39:27 PM
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To me it looks like a reskin of the new RX 350, and Toyota have been doing this for years. Check out the D-pillar and window line, so similar.


THESCOOTERTHESCOOTER - 12/30/2008 11:16:32 AM
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Guys 1st of all this comparison is completely irrelevant - Taurus X and Venza are different vehicles. A 3 row crossover that competes against a 5 seater? The real comparo that makes sense here is the Venza vs. Ford Edge. Why is Venza relevant because Ford Edge outsells the segment in a huge way and that is not on Toyota's agenda I can assure you. Now we have a look at why does Toyota care? One word - Highlander. Toyota owned this segment with the former generation Highlander and then blew the newer version up making it pudgier and bloated, they have done the same with Tundra, Land Cruiser, RAV4 and Sequoia all of which have suffered diminished sales in current from (expect RAV which essentially replaces previous Highlander). What is funny is that Toyota continues to be heralded for understanding consumers, but does not seem so in this case. Toyota is chasing the Edge in this case, not the doomed Taurus X...


mercuryguymercuryguy - 12/30/2008 3:13:46 PM
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The Wagon idea is great, but the 3rd row ruins everything. A Lined cargo area like a pickup would be better so one could hose the dirt out when done hauling things. I'd rather have a Well to Hold a full size spare standing up than the useless jumpseats that limits the weight the cargo area can hold.

3rd row is adequate for kids, but business people hate crawling over seats when they are waering expensive suits.


olscuulolscuul - 12/31/2008 10:15:16 PM
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my kids say it looks like an edge that someone stepped on.
read a review. one complaint after another about the interior, but in the end it got a good rating.


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