The BIG Luxury Three (Audi, BMW & Mercedes). Who will be no. 1 in sales in 2020, and who's in trouble!

The BIG Luxury Three (Audi, BMW & Mercedes). Who will be no. 1 in sales in 2020, and who's in trouble!
There have been many postings about the big luxury 3 that have resulted in robust arguments about who will continue to grow, who will be number 1 in sales in a couple of years and so on. The right way to forecast this will be to look at all models in each segments examining factors such as sales, market share, cars in pipeline, pricing etc. incentives & impact on sales..blah blah blah,.. and do this for all markets they compete in, but we’ll leave that for the car execs. This is autospies so we’ll take a completely different approach. How about looking at total volume growth for the big luxury 3 over a number of years and simply look at sales growth or momentum. The assumption is that their strategies are not changing appreciably so whatever we see in sales is a reflection of the current strategy, incentives, pricing market share changes and so on... The results of taking this approach will shock you some of you, especially those with little or no knowledge of what happens outside of the US market, but the interesting thing is that it may not be too far from the truth. Here’s a summary below, let the intelligent as well as brain-dead arguments begin:

So using data as far back as 2001, I worked hard to strip out related lines such as Motor Bike, Rolls and Mini sales for BMW and Truck and Smart sales for Benz so that we have numbers that reflect the true brand and not any lines owned by the brand.

Note: I would have liked to include Lexus (big lux 4?), but searched and could not find global numbers, just US only. Given the state of the US market, I believe their sales would have been between 470 and 500K last year down a bit from 2007, but don’t know for sure. Any who knows where I can get them, please let me know


Summary
- Mercedes has hit a growth brick wall! The company had a CAGR (combined annual growth rate) of 1.4% over the past 4 years, and this is not a typo. In fact its 8 year CAGR is 0.18%. Conclusion: MBenz’s sales have barely budged from 1.1 million sales over the past 8 years…downright scary, and does not seem to be improving!

- BMW has grown nicely over the past 4 years at a CAGR of 4.1%, and is responsible for some of MBenz’s malaise

- Audi has grown even quicker at a CAGR of 6.51% over the past 4 years, and is also responsible for some of MBenz’s problem

- If you assume the US market, a bigger market for BMW and Mercedes remains dead this year and some of 2010 and Audi continues to perform as well as they have, Audi could eclipse Mercedes by 2010. Even if things improve in the US, unless Mercedes does something radical to its strategy and products, Audi is scheduled to pass Mercedes in by 2011 based on current CAGR projections. In fact, barring a miracle, major changes in strategy or screw ups, it is “almost a guarantee” that Audi will be selling more cars than benz in 3 to 4 years

- Using the last 4 years to project, the earliest (again barring any screw-ups or changes), the Audi may have a chance to pass BMW in 2014, but I think realistically, it will be around 2016 because BMW is also working on a number of new models that should add to volume

In a very bad year (2008) Audi gained the most luxury market share worldwide 9and in the US) of any Luxury manufacturer. What’s scary for BMW and Mercedes is that Audi did it without the same amount of crazy incentives BMW and MBenz were offering when cars starting sitting in US lots. Wait till their financial reports for 2008 come out, guaranteed Audi will have the largest profit margin percentage of all three.

So what is Audi doing that the others are not or can't? One think is innovation that counts. From Quattro(Rally & Touring car championships), and FSI (Le mans) to TDI (le mans), Audi has been smart about where to spend money in racing, and has monetized their racing investments by moving them to real world cars. In addition, they have come up with some innovations that faciliate growth. For example, drive select now in the S5/A5, A4 and Q5, changes steering ratio, transmission shift points, throttle sensitivity and engine response will allow reduce the ability of other car makers to differentiate less based on handling characteristics. Instead the frontier will slowly shift to styling, quality feel, brand loyalty, safety and so on, and those are areas where Audi already excels

- Many comments on this site show a lack of understanding of what platform /parts sharing does for car manufactures. It has clearly helped to reduce Audi’s R&D costs and cost per part. Basically, Audi spreads the same (and in some cases lower) development costs BMW or Mercedes may have over more units (Porsche, Seat, Skoda, VW, Bentley, and Lamborghini) for a lower overall average cost. BMW and Mercedes can’t match this. I’ve read many comments about the A4’s Audi 3.2 V6, and how its smaller and less powerful than say the BMW 335 turbo or Infinity 3.7 etc..but those are from people who don’t get it. Audi isn’t trying to match a 3.2 with a 3.7. They’re just trying to save money by running a longer cycle with their very efficient engines…they also understand that anyone who wants more power can get the S4 with over 300HP or RS4 with over 400HP. In the end it goes to the bottom line and does not negatively impact sales as most people think. Who else would go from a 4.2V8 to a 3.0 supercharged V6 and increase performance and efficiency while improving balance and handling (new S4). The new A4 is lighter, yet stronger, faster yet bigger that its predecessor. The A8’s 4.2liter engine has been around since the late 90s, they just made it more efficient over 10 years instead of building a bigger engine as most of the competition has. Benz has gone through 3 engines (4.2, 5.0 and now 5.5) over the same period. Think of what that means from a costs, parts, maintenance, and retooling point of view, not to mention efficiency and improvement.
-Here’s my prediction, barring any miracles (and miracles do happen) within 5 years Audi will absolutely eclipse Mercedes in sales, and in just under 10 years BMW will fall next. Audi has managed to combine what's best about BMW (handling/feedback) with what used to be the best about Mercedes through the 80s (comfort, quality feel and solidity)in a package that's more attractive on the oustide and inside where it has no equal. Here’s a graph that shows the growth trends, and some raw sales numbers. You heard it hear first with some real numbers to back it up, now let the madness begin...and while its on click on the link below to enjoy some pictures of what the future of luxury cars will be...

http://www.vwvortex.com/artman/publish/audi_news/article_2563.shtml




MPowerDKMPowerDK - 1/20/2009 8:20:07 AM
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Actually who cares! as long as they continue to make great cars which they will have to, because of the competiton. I dont care about number one, i buy the car i like and money for.


DeutschlandDeutschland - 1/20/2009 8:37:03 AM
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Ya Cadillac poses such a threat to the germans hahahahahha


Agent009Agent009 - 1/20/2009 8:44:03 AM
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Drive that CTS for 4 years and then compare. ANYONE can build a shiny new car that will last for 3 years without problems. It is further down the road where true quality prevails.

Look at all of the older German cars on the road today vs domestics and I dare say some better know Japanese models. You will see the differences quite readily.


budfrogS4budfrogS4 - 1/20/2009 9:38:35 AM
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Ya, I was at an auto show less than a year ago and the CTS that I sat in already had a worn driver's seat. It looked worse than my driver's seat does now with over 4 years of abuse.


downtoearthdowntoearth - 1/20/2009 9:55:42 AM
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Yes, 1UAW, Cadillac will soon excel German luxury car manufacturers by exploiting the competitive advantage of having United Auto Workers. ||| Who keeps a car past four years? Well, bear in mind the USA will be in decline for many years up from now. Key event: swapping the dollar with a basket of currencies as a reserve currency soon. The answer then is: MANY people.


Anim8orAnim8or - 1/22/2009 4:42:12 PM
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Bwaahahahahah! Baaahaaahaaa!

'Caddy CTS blows most of their cars into the weeds/" Aaaaahhhaaaaahaa!

That was great. Thanks for the laugh moron.

Anyway, back to the real premium car discussion.


TheGeniusTheGenius - 1/20/2009 12:53:07 PM
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"Whatthe", you should read the article before commenting. Most Auto manufacturers have sales figures and financials on their websites or 3rd party auto sites. I couldn't find it on Toyota, Lexus's or anywhere else. If you have the numbers, please share..


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 1/20/2009 11:59:10 PM
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Lexus is among the big luxury three in the US but their sales are less than half of those of Audi's worldwide.


markanthony0419markanthony0419 - 1/20/2009 10:04:00 AM
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True story wanted a cts and had the top of the line optioned out to 51300 thats cause the white was an additional 1000 bucks. after rebates from gm the price was 38k. then the payment made no sense 705 a month for 6 years. i said what is the interest rate the dealer said 7.5 if you can get that thats tier 1 credit for gm. i walked out. Got an m3 convert 80k car at .09 percent interest almost same price. yea gm good job losing customers


2ndbimmer2ndbimmer - 1/20/2009 10:42:10 AM
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That is an absolute lie. There is no way you got an M3 convertible for $705 a month without puting a ton of money down. I work for a BMW dealership and the only vehicle they offered the 0.9% on was 2008 M3's and there were no rebates or cash back on the vehicles. You did not pay half price. Prove it with a bill of sale!!


sectorsector - 1/20/2009 10:19:34 AM
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I say Benz will be #1, they seem to be committed to improving quality to levels it once was, plus their designs are getting better too.

#2 will be Audi since their cars consistently look the best and with better driving dynamics ie., not as nose heavy anymore and with 40/60 torque split, they are great driving vehicles.

#? BMW will go chapter11 in the future as people will catch on that they are the Ultimate Cost Cutting machines with horrible build quality and terrible quality control... just look at the way they ride especially with horrible RFT's.. many drivers (especially with sport suspensions) have to endure bone jarring shocks going over cracks and potholes and such... and with such muted steeling feel of e9x vehicles and bloated vehicles they are consistently turning out, they're destined to fail.


TheGeniusTheGenius - 1/20/2009 1:50:06 PM
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You're correct that Mercedes is trying to improve. They're sorting out many of the quality problems they've had over the years, and I think the new S class is a huge improvement over recent models, but still you have to ask why they've been basically flat over 8 years while Audi & BMW have grown by at least 8% (CAGR). How long will it take for their solutions to begin reflecting in increased sales? I don't think Mercedes is going away soon, and neither is BMW. I believe Mercedes is living on past glory..More than any brand their name on a global basis still moves cars, but it will not be enough in the future...We've had a number of Mercedes cars from the 70s through the 90s and I can tell you the best (adjusting for technology changes and just looking at quality, solidity and total luxury package) were those from the 80s.


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 1/21/2009 12:00:59 AM
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Aggressive pricing? Are you out of your mind? Haven't you noticed their prices creeping up in North America? People complaining that the A5/S5, A4/S4/RS4, TT, etc are overpriced? The only Audi that is truly aggressively priced is the A8--that's a helluva lot of car for an amazing price, at least in that class.

In Europe most Audis are the same as, if not more than, competing BMWs and Benzes.


GermanNutGermanNut - 1/20/2009 10:37:58 AM
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I agree, Audi will be number 1 within 10 years. Mercedes' reputation has taken a hit due to the quality problems it has experienced over the past several years. Furthermore, Mercedes always charges a premium over BMW and Audi. This premium might have been justified for the higher quality, but with quality now suffering, people are not willing to pay such a premium for a Benz. Hence the 1.1 million sales for the past 4 years.

BMW and Mercedes are also hugely exposed to the crumbling U.S. market (currently the world's largest automotive market) and not as dominating as Audi in the growing Chinese market (the future largest automotive market in the worlld). Just look at how both BMW and MB suffered in 2008. Their global sales were down 5% and, perhaps more importantly, their U.S. sales declined double in terms of percentage loss when compared to Audi.

Audi is combining excellent exterior design with its usual unbeatable interior construction. The exterior designs are less controversial than BMW's and Audi truly is the benchmark when it comes to interior design. The 3-series is cold and the C-class is plasticky.

Furthermore, Audi is focusing its sales efforts mainly on the growing European and Chinese markets. This is precisely why we see Audi posting a 4.1% global sales increase in 2008 instead of a roughly 5% loss for BMW and MB. With the U.S. market continuing to look gloomy for 2009 and into 2010, Audi will be able to get closer to MB in global sales.

Audi is also spedning 15-20% more on marketing in the U.S., which is a market that Audi realizes is absolutely crucial for it to achieve its long-term sales goals. Look at the sponsorship of the Obama Inauguration, look at the SuperBowl ads, look at the revamped dealer showrooms and service.

Lastly, Audis are becoming better driver's cars with each successive generation. With the new Drive Select system on the S4, Audi has managed to defeat the 335i in two European tests. The R8 V10 will bring world-class performance to the brand. The future A8 will also have the Drive Select system and will bring a more striking exterior design to allow it to better compete with the Mercedes S-class and newly designed BMW 7-series.

Audi also has the huge cost advantage by being a part of VAG. Audi can share transmissions, platforms, technology, etc. whereas BMW is a stand-alone company that is feeling the full force of a recession since it has no parent company to back it up.





AudiphileAudiphile - 1/20/2009 10:44:36 AM
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I can see why TheGenius had a problem getting worldwide sales figures for Lexus. The Lexus brand was created primarily for the U.S. market, and is not available in some countries - Toyota sells Toyotas loaded up with luxury options in those countries. In fact, Lexus was not available in Japan itself up until a few years ago!

That said, Lexus is very much a major player in the luxury-car market. Up until a few (pre-CTS)years ago, Cadillac was not a major player except in the U.S., but Caddy's prospects will definitely improve in the next few years (assuming GM survives).


2ndbimmer2ndbimmer - 1/20/2009 10:45:39 AM
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Sorry if I did not see it, but what about the manufacturers making money on the certified pre owned market? I know BMW was up 17% last year in CPO sales. How did Audi and MB do? I think this will help your findings. I also do not know how certified programs work in other countries. Resale will be a key factor in these companies sustaining growth for the future.


Bmw8terBmw8ter - 1/20/2009 1:44:01 PM
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I've never been much for the BMW CPOs. Seems like what you'd pay for a used 525i at about 40k miles w/out nav., you can get a Mercedes E500 with navigation and everything. This seems to ring true across the board on all of BMWs used cars. The prices on the various used Bimmer offerings just don't add up IMO.


carE10carE10 - 1/20/2009 12:38:34 PM
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I think BMW will maintain its number one status.They have more new models coming out then the other 2 brands. They were the first to start making greener vehicles, and the first to establish a program (project i) which is dedicated to making green and electric vehicles.They are currently ahead of the other 2 brands in laying down a foundation for future technologies, while the other brands are playing catchup. BMWs brand image is very strong, and they also produce the mini brand which can reach, and be sold in areas of the market, a car with a bmw badge would not fit.


TheGeniusTheGenius - 1/20/2009 1:33:00 PM
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I agree that BMW is in better shape than Mercedes for now, and as I indicated above it will take Audi some time to blow by them, but they're running out of time. As a lone ranger BMW is saddled with some fundamental disadvantages that will make them less competitive over time. Here's some news for you. In Germany, the A8 and A6 are the luxury cars of choice in their respective classes. Very recently, the A4 beat the 3 series to join them and this has never happened before. The tide is shifting and Audi has the momentum on its side


racerf109racerf109 - 1/20/2009 1:58:47 PM
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nice graph, I should make one too.


merce63amgmerce63amg - 1/20/2009 2:03:28 PM
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who cares which company is number one? It will never have any effect on what car I buy.


david999david999 - 1/20/2009 2:05:42 PM
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I predict in the future Mercedes will be back as the global leader in sales. With the introduction of models such as the A Class and B Class into the U.S. market, this will signal a trend of aggressive pricing and marketing for Mercedes to get the average consumer into Mercedes products. They are also introducing the GLK Class to go after buyers that consider a Honda CRV or Toyota Rav4 type vehicle. Sure Audi will come out with the Q5 and BMW with a new X3 and X1, but Mercedes still has that prestige reputation that will draw a lot of buyers when the price is right. When they decide to go after Asian markets agressively as they will North America, global sales will rise again.



VISOVISO - 1/20/2009 3:04:42 PM
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This prestige thing about MB is ridiculous. There is nothing specifically special about MB that you cannot get in an Audi or BMW (which arguably offer better handling and sporty cars). If prestige was such as big deal, why is MB so stagnant around the globe? You have to be a pure moron to buy something inferior because of the notion of prestige.


david999david999 - 1/20/2009 4:53:57 PM
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Why do you resume that Maercedes is an inferior product?


TheGeniusTheGenius - 1/20/2009 4:47:57 PM
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Maindrianpace, you sound like someone who has never done any type of forecasting. I'll give an opportunity to redeem yourself. Can you tell me why 8 years of data is invalid, and how you would do it? Hope your answer includes a webmeeting discussion. Ha ha.


markanthony0419markanthony0419 - 1/20/2009 9:17:10 PM
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2nd bimmer read my post first i didnt say i paid 705 i said the cady was 705, i paid almost the same. i paid 770 and it is a lease not a buy all i paid were the taxes up front . and yes it is a 2008 the total price of the car is 77945 pick it up jan 31. dealer ate 4grand dont believe me dont care im the one driving an m3 convert come jan31.


VISOVISO - 1/20/2009 11:19:36 PM
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Progess is beautiful.

http://www.audiusa.com/audi/us/en2.html


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 1/21/2009 12:02:13 AM
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I think that even in 10 years BMW will still be #1. Audi will definitely be #2 but Mercedes probably won't be too far behind.


DaHarderDaHarder - 1/21/2009 1:32:15 PM
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Personally, I foresee all 'premium vehicle manufacturers falling on hard times in the future, as more of the automobile buying public will look for 'true value' in their vehicle purchases, moving away from the 'car as status symbol' mentality.

Next to purchasing homes that were far beyond their financial means, the second most irresponsible thing people have be doing is purchasing vehicles that were far beyond their means.

The tides are indeed turning... and it's long overdue.


PeteinFullertonPeteinFullerton - 1/22/2009 6:21:10 PM
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I think you folks missed the single most important factor: Porsche has taken control of Audi. Those folks are very savvy businessmen and are bound to improve the brand in countless ways.


thstonethstone - 1/22/2009 7:32:07 PM
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True luxury car sales go hand in hand with the world economy. The difference between MB and BMW growth is new model selection, nothing more.

Audi really competes on the second rung with Lexus, not MB or BMW. Second rung sales go inverse with the economy in bad times. Thus the recent large sales growth of Audi (and likely Lexus).


TheGeniusTheGenius - 1/22/2009 8:25:15 PM
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thstone, your statement makes no sense. Can new model selection explain why Mercedes has been flat for 8 years? Where you awake when BMW passed Mercedes? Do you even understand the Luxury car market and what's going on? Lexus didn't grow last year, and neither did any other volume Luxury manufacturer, and fyi Mercedes has more models than Audi. I expected a few pointless comments, but yours redefines the lower benchmark of ignorance


GermanNutGermanNut - 1/22/2009 8:31:59 PM
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thstone what an IDIOT.

Second rung sales go inverse with the economy in bad times???

OH REALLY???? Why did Toyota and GM, the two largest auto manufacturers in the world by sales both see declines in 2008. Toyota and GM are certainly not luxury brands or first-tier anything.

Perhaps if thstone understood the fact that the U.S. auto market is crumbling and BMW and MB have far great exposure to said crumbling market than Audi would he realize that that is the precise reason for Audi's success and BMW's along with MB's declines.


wardentarry46wardentarry46 - 12/28/2010 8:20:09 PM
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Mercedes does have a slight problem. while i personally think mercedes is hands down way better than audi, and better than bmw. from performance, to more available cars and models of the years. to Interior, design, luxury,quality, performance,and innovative, i feel Mercedes has them all beat. the problem is a great deal of the best mercedes and their nicest mercedes out their are all excess of 50k-to tops of like 320k for a slr mclaren mercedes. or a sls amg, you have the whole s class line, sl, slk, s class amg, e class, amg of any class. etc etc etc, all the performance lines aka amg will bump up the price. most people however are not out buying cars that are past 50k. while lets say 99% of people are not rich. a great deal of people are wealthy, in the USA 2% of the population has homes or net worths excess of 1 million dollars. that is not a whole lot of people, but at that a great deal of the people who are driving a lot of these cars around are by no means rich. so you will see the lower end of each of the car makers and their lower end models. 3 series bmw's make up like 40-45% of bmw sales. while i generally have a dislike for 3 series and bmw for the fact that nearly 50% of their sales are the repeating and repeating boring, low class 3 series, that does not excell terrificley in any area! thus you say a great deal of morons drive one, and thus the car gets played out. when you have basically 50% of your whole car sales being 1 series, it starts to get sad and rather boring. its just like the ford mustang, a once beautiful car and great for the reason it was unique. Now every bone head has a ford mustang! you see trashed, wrecked, misused, and ugly and non washed mustangs everywere. they have ceased to be a car for drivers or a car that someone who may want love for it drive. mustangs are know driven to be ruined! by the vast majority of morons who drive them! mustangs for the most part are know driven by anyone, and you may call me an elite est or some BS. but ford has basically killed off the unique and love for the mustang. it is know a supped up toyota cammry, for someone who wants a little more speed and power, and may want a brand name of some sort.
for this reason i cannot give it respect as a car!
although the new 2010 mustangs handle pretty good
its rinse and repeat for ford sadly!

Mercedes- seems to have their head on straight. who knows maybe BMW Might catch on that the reason, they sell so many 3 series is because it is a BMW, its got a badge brand name. they are good cars as far as handling goes, and they are cheap for BMW to manufacture. This is why you see them everywere. people do not want to spend money on the higher class bmw's


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