The Panamera Takes A Shot Directly At The Lexus GS, Should They Be Worried?

The Panamera Takes A Shot Directly At The Lexus GS, Should They Be Worried?
Today, Porsche AG for the first time presents its Panamera four-door gran turismo interior concept. The much-anticipated addition to Porsche's performance lineup will make its U.S. market debut on Oct. 17, 2009.

With a continuous center console that extends from the dashboard to the rear seating area, the Panamera offers a new spatial concept for the driver and passengers featuring optimal ergonomic seating with individual cockpit-like spaces for all. Its deep seating position and a sport steering wheel help give the driver and passengers direct contact with the road. At the same time it provides a generous, roomy environment with exceptional leg and head room, unique qualities in a sporting machine yet essential for grand touring. This individual seating allows for optimum passive safety.

Porsche will provide countless opportunities for individual interior customization with 13 color and material combinations including four two-tone leather interiors and seven interior trim options including carbon fiber to Natural Olive wood.

An available four-zone climate control system gives each seating area individual control of functions such as temperature, air distribution and venting direction. In the unfortunate event of an accident, front, side and curtain airbags help protect the front occupants, while standard rear side airbags help protect those in back. The Panamera S and Panamera 4S feature eight-way power seats in front with a driver memory package. In the rear are two individual seats with a folding rear console and plenty of room. The Panamera Turbo has power seats with a memory package for not only the seat functions but also the electronically adjustable steering wheel. Further seating customization is available through optional alternatives such as 18-way Adaptive Sport Seats or fully adjustable eight-way power seats in the rear.

Porsche for the first time will offer from Burmester® -- the renown Berlin audio manufacturer -- a new ultra high-end surround sound system. With 16 loudspeakers plus a subwoofer (a total of over 2.5 square feet of speaker surface area) and a total output of more than 1000 watts, this new system gives listeners a grand acoustical experience. And like the 2009 Porsche sports cars and SUVs, Panameras will be available with the latest personal electronic connectivity features, including Bluetooth for cellular telephones, Universal Audio Interface for connecting personal audio devices, and satellite radio.

The rear luggage area provides up to 15.7 cubic feet of space, enough room for four large suitcases. The tall space enables luggage to be loaded in an upright position, and with the rear seat folded down the luggage space generously increases up to 44.6 cubic feet.

Initially, all Panameras will be available with two V8 engine options, standard seven-speed Porsche Doppelkupplungsgetriebe (PDK) double-clutch transmissions and rear- or all-wheel drive. All engines feature Porsche Direct Fuel Injection (DFI) for highest efficiency. For additional fuel savings, all Panameras include an engine stop-start function that can turn off and restart the engine at certain times, like when stopped at an intersection or in traffic.

The rear-wheel drive Panamera S has a 400-horsepower, 4.8-liter V8 engine that can propel the it from 0 to 60 mph in 5.2 seconds on its way to a top test track speed of 175 mph. The manufacturer suggested retail price (MSRP) is $89,800. The all-wheel drive Panamera 4S receives the same 4.8-liter powerplant. It sprints from 0 to 60 mph in 4.8 seconds, achieves a top test track speed of 175 mph, and has an MSRP of $93,800.

At the top of the Panamera lineup is the Panamera Turbo with its 500-horsepower, twin-turbocharged 4.8-liter V8. Also featuring the new PDK transmission, the all-wheel drive Panamera Turbo sets a breathtaking 0-to-60 time of 4 seconds flat and a top test-track speed of 188 mph. The Panamera Turbo has an MSRP of $132,600, and all three Panamera models will go on sale in the United States this October.

Porsche Cars North America, Inc. (PCNA), based in Atlanta, Ga., is the exclusive importer of Porsche sports cars and sport utility vehicles for the United States. It is a wholly owned, indirect subsidiary of Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG. PCNA employs approximately 180 people who provide Porsche vehicles, parts, service, marketing and training for its 201 dealers. The dealers, in turn, provide Porsche owners with best-in-class service. Throughout its 60-year history, Porsche has developed numerous technologies that have advanced vehicle performance, improved safety and spurred environmental innovations within the automotive industry. The company continues to celebrate its heritage by adding to its long list of motorsports victories dating back to its first 24 Hours of Le Mans class win in 1951. Today, with more than 28,000 victories, Porsche is recognized as the world's most successful marque in sports car racing. PCNA, which imports the iconic 911 series, the Boxster and Cayman sports cars and Cayenne sport utility vehicles and soon the Panamera gran turismo for the United States, strives to maintain a standard of excellence, commitment and distinction synonymous with its brand.

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bmwdrvrbmwdrvr - 2/12/2009 11:16:41 AM
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ok what does this have to do with a Lexus GS at all, this car will run twice as much as a GS, and they are no where near being competitors at all. On a side note I still havent gotten used to the looks it still looks pretty ugly and that interior looks like the inside of a aircraft with all those buttons, im sure it will be an amazing drive


inspirion7inspirion7 - 2/18/2009 11:24:45 AM
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This interior has more in common with Aston Martin than any Lexus. This has to be the best looking interior outside of the Rapide (of course I'm bias on this end) This interior is stunning to say the least, and most know I not a Porsche fanboy. Love the leather and the carpet looks like to belongs in a 100K plus vehicle. Attention to detail is great and very little in the way of plastics are apparent. If I were to rate the interiors, then Bugatti, then Aston Martin followed by Mercedes (the Maybach's interior is sweet) then move on to Audi. Yeah, Audi is that good.


GermanNutGermanNut - 2/12/2009 11:17:02 AM
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That center console is WAY too cluttered. People complain Audi has created a complicated center-console, now this takes the CAKE for buttton-mania.


PorschinatorPorschinator - 2/12/2009 6:57:13 PM
+1 Boost
WTH? I love options and I know that one of those buttons must operate a butt massager and another must operate the optional laser sites for targeting slow drivers:)


theoptimisticpessimisttheoptimisticpessimist - 2/12/2009 11:17:23 AM
+9 Boost
Boy, you must be smokin really good stuff. It's twice the cost and twice the performance.


0to600to60 - 2/12/2009 11:44:40 AM
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Twice the performance isnt saying much! A VW beetle is twice the performance of a GS LOL! J/K.


njsidekick3njsidekick3 - 2/12/2009 11:51:40 AM
+1 Boost
LMAO! Smokin that "Cheech & Chong"...lol..


0to600to60 - 2/12/2009 3:45:17 PM
-1 Boost
Was I deboosted for saying that I was just kidding, LOL!


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 2/14/2009 1:03:28 AM
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truithpursuit, I think the 5.2 sec is a typo. Notice how the P4S is quicker. I don't think that's correct.


LeezellLeezell - 2/12/2009 11:19:28 AM
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I am certain that Porsche had the GS directly in their sights when they conceived the Panamera. The GS was clearly encroaching in Porsche's territory, with the GS350 stealing lead after lead from hapless dealers, and the mighty GS 460 rendering the GT2 impotent in terms of raw performance. But I feel confident that by producing a sedan whose base price is nearly double that of a GS, Porsche will render the GS a mere has-been in the all-important 4-seater sedan segment which Lexus has ruled for nearly 80 years......


mitchatlexusofmarinmitchatlexusofmarin - 2/12/2009 1:03:50 PM
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I'm not sure if all of you guys are just kidding around, or what. The Panamera is DEFINITELY not designed to compete with the GS. It isn't even remotely in the same class in any way other than they are both cars. The Porsche is positioned way above the Lexus and will compete more with the Masarati and certain Mercedes coupes where people would prefer the functionality of a four door. 009 is simply being his usual s**t disturber self, and you guys are buying into it?? Really?


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 2/14/2009 1:04:13 AM
+2 Boost
Post of the week!


_43LE_43LE - 2/12/2009 11:21:33 AM
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I would think that the Panamera competes more directly with the 5 series or the M from Infiniti before the GS.


_43LE_43LE - 2/12/2009 1:58:49 PM
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Sales data for jan 2009 for mid sized lux:

1. 5 - 2,596
2. E - 1,768
3. M - 1,176
4. GS - 898
5. A6/S6 - 776
6. S80 - 473
7. STS - 413
8. RL - 208
9. 9-5 - 101

By the way, Car and driver rated the M45 sport ahead of the 5 series a while back.


downtoearthdowntoearth - 2/12/2009 3:13:38 PM
+2 Boost
The listing does not include the Lexus ES. Why?


_43LE_43LE - 2/12/2009 3:48:23 PM
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Don't know, the person that posted the article where I got the data from did not include it, I was curious too.


XYZZXYZZ - 2/13/2009 7:22:46 AM
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prob'ly cause if the ES was included, then a Lexus would've been in the #1 sales position. they're troublesome enuff as it is to the germyphiles.


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 2/14/2009 1:07:18 AM
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downtoearth, the ES is an entry-level model. It's usually paired with the IS for monthly sales. It doesn't quite compete with the same cars as the IS, but it doesn't compete in the GS's class either.


FerrarisR4meFerrarisR4me - 2/12/2009 11:24:55 AM
+5 Boost
Why the HELL would the Panamera comare to the GS? Even if they were priced similarly, I couldn't imagine a shopper of one cross shopping the other. One is for pure performance and the other pure luxury. Retarded heading.


JUGNUJUGNU - 2/12/2009 11:47:34 AM
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Why is GS in the heading? anyway i think Panamera is way overpriced. Panamera turbo starting at 132K in U.S. The conversion is already 500K here in Middle East(more than Cayenne Turbo). But here cars are slightly more expensive than U.S so it would be around $150K base for Panamera turbo. Also 90% buyers here go for the fully loaded/optioned car, so it will be even more. Too much for this ugly car when there are a lot better looking and performing cars available for the same money.

JUGNU


Hachee2001Hachee2001 - 2/12/2009 12:04:15 PM
+1 Boost
I kind of like it. I can't believe I'm saying it, but I do. The Cayenne was already the end of Porsche as we knew it, so I'm resigned to the fact that they're becoming a bigger player with a broader line. I think there are definite flaws in the styling, especially the too-high rear roofline, which is obviously there for rear headroom. But I think the interior is great - sporty, luxurious - definitely better than the rest of the line.


BigShow50BigShow50 - 2/12/2009 12:06:11 PM
+1 Boost
Great...so the Germans take a shot at the Lexus GS...so what? Now Porsche on the other hand will be shooting themselves in the foot, depending on how Lexus will look at this...Porsche becomes the guinea pig, while Lexus actually tries a little harder this time around in order to make this segment a little more appealing for them in terms of styling and performance. Well if Lexus "actually" does something about it, they will for sure be able to execute a new redesign from top to bottom, inside & out, & revised performance, for a fraction of the price of a Porsche FAG-orama....then what Porsche?


JaybrnJaybrn - 2/12/2009 12:28:18 PM
-4 Boost
Lexus GS? They need to be worried about the CTS-V


JaybrnJaybrn - 2/15/2009 9:34:35 AM
+1 Boost
Really people? The CTS-V is a sub 4 sec car and its not compact either, Yes its in a different market but performance wise its right there with the Panamera and its American. Just a bit of patriotism?


JaybrnJaybrn - 2/12/2009 12:31:33 PM
+2 Boost
And you know how Porsches are with options, the other day I built on the porscheusa.com website a $99,000 Cayman! Very few Panamera S's will come under the 100k mark I bet after adding the Burmester sound system, interior upgrades, technology packeages, etc


answeranswer - 2/12/2009 12:52:53 PM
+3 Boost
Yeah, options will hurt this thing. Porsches get crazy expensive adding stuff that you really do want/need.

Still, a black on black one would be pretty damn cool.

Side note, that new audio system is the same brand as in the Veyron I believe.


JRobUSCJRobUSC - 2/12/2009 1:02:54 PM
+1 Boost
so I would buy this over an M5/RS6/CLS63 why? I like Porsche and the badge is worth something, but not 50% more, and that's what the price difference is.


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 2/14/2009 1:12:53 AM
+2 Boost
I would take a CLS63 any day of the week over the Panamera S. That is supposed to be an incredible engine but I've never driven a 6.2L AMG car myself.


SanJoseDriverSanJoseDriver - 2/12/2009 1:06:10 PM
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Yes, I think this comparison is retarded, but I might as well mention this. The GS450h matches the entry level Panamera's 0-60 speed of 5.2 seconds for at least 40k less comparably equipped, and has all wheel drive to boot. I'm sure the Panamera will blow away the GS with handling, but you still have to pay the price of driving a car with an ugly rear. You might as well get a Maseratti at this price range.


JRobUSCJRobUSC - 2/12/2009 5:48:38 PM
+2 Boost
not that it makes a difference in terms of whether they are competitors or not but the GS450h isn't AWD, it's rear wheel drive.


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 2/14/2009 1:13:39 AM
-1 Boost
And the Maserati QP is hardly in this price range. It's around $30K more with nothing on it. That's just like saying the GS450h is in this car's price range.


SHOWTIMESHOWTIME - 2/12/2009 1:57:29 PM
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001, I'm a bit off topic here but...I'm looking into the 08 Cayman S lease. I test drove it and it was my first time driving a Porsche. I thought it had a little too much road and engine noise. I'm not usually too much of a complainer but will I eventually get annoyed by it? I know you've owned a 911. What is your advice?


SHOWTIMESHOWTIME - 2/12/2009 3:55:23 PM
+2 Boost
Which lowlives are deboosting for asking advice?


WillisWillis - 2/12/2009 2:09:01 PM
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Porsche Panamera vs Lexus GS? Gotta love Autospies! The title was engineered to start a flame war!

I think the Lexus ES is a more suitable rival for the Panamera! I mean they're both low and sleeker! The GS is a little wide and on the heavy side! <--- Sarcasm intended...


Yonder7Yonder7 - 2/12/2009 2:11:25 PM
+1 Boost
Nop, I prefer M5 or CLS any day over this ugly Panamera. Beside that We have to see the tests. That car looks heay and if it is, even the CLS will be better on turning. Unless they copy the technology of Nissan on the GTR, that car is heavier than the 911 however it is as quick as the 911. Example: Cayene is heavier than the X5 or ML, that is a trend in none sport cars coming from Porsche...


0to600to60 - 2/12/2009 3:45:38 PM
+2 Boost
First true statement you have ever made!


BMWGinoBMWGino - 2/12/2009 3:50:43 PM
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LexusBeautyQueen,

Impossible! German cars are always better than anything Japanese, especially Lexus. That's like just a fact. Also, in the Porsche you can look fabulous too on your way to the beauty salon! I know I do. LOL!


PorschinatorPorschinator - 2/12/2009 7:01:45 PM
+2 Boost
GS good car but not perfect: http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/2006-to-2008-lexus-gs-2.htm Also hard to compare reliability since the Panamera is not out yet. But of course you are too biased to care. Besides Porsche reputation will no doubt make sure the Panamera is very reliable.


downtoearthdowntoearth - 2/12/2009 3:54:11 PM
+1 Boost
Well, dimensions are as follow:

Lexus GS

wheelbase: 2850 mm
length: 4826 mm
width: 1821 mm


Porsche Guantanamera

wheelbase: 2900 mm
length: 4970 mm
width: 1931 mm


Lexus LS short wheelbase

wheelbase: 2969 mm
length: 5029 mm
width: 1875 mm

So the Guantanamera fits exactly between those two Lexuses. And, BTW, it looks not that bad. Only the side view appears very weird, if not ugly.


david999david999 - 2/12/2009 5:33:40 PM
+1 Boost

I have a feeling this is going to be a disaster for Porsche.


WillisWillis - 2/13/2009 4:57:28 AM
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Oh please. You two kids need to stop letting your personal bias and narrow mindedness interfere with your judgement Before Porsche even produced this vehicle they researched the market to make sure there is a demand for such a car.

Hell, the Cayenne sells like hotcakes and is not your "typical Porsche". The Panamera will sell. It won't be a disaster.

I think you should be more worried about that Toyota Avensis with a Lexus badge called HS250h or something.


david999david999 - 2/13/2009 9:33:10 AM
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Porsche stopped Cayenne production for a year.


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 2/14/2009 1:16:08 AM
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Isn't that just because it's at the end of its life cycle?

You know the Cayenne was a resounding success. You may not like it (I don't either, but the GTS is cool), but you can't deny the obvious. It was always within the top four most popular midsized SUVs--RX, X5, MDX and Cayenne. I don't think the ML ever sold quite as much.


Yonder7Yonder7 - 2/12/2009 8:47:33 PM
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Mee too, I hope to be wrong...


DaHarderDaHarder - 2/12/2009 9:13:49 PM
+2 Boost
I think 009 has been spending way too much time with Michael Phelps these days (just kidding - Phelps Rocks!)... Anyway, there's very little chance that Porsche gives a shite about the Lexus GS, and I seriously doubt that Lexus feels threatened by the Panamera. Get A Grip Dude!


DaHarderDaHarder - 2/12/2009 9:19:39 PM
+2 Boost
Additionally, Is that the very best Porsche designers could do with integrating the LCD screens for the rear passengers? I've seen better looking installations done at Fry's Electronics! This vehicle had best redefine the dynamics of the performance sedan, because in every other respect, it's a friggin' train wreck!


BobWBobW - 2/12/2009 9:14:59 PM
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The more I see of the Panamera, the less I like the look of it. Any angle where the back third of the car can be seen is like looking at a supermodel with a hairy mole showing--you can't see anything but the horrible blemish. I think this is one of the worst looking four-doors in memory. And I still think the front end has a very Corvette-ish look too.
That said, I really like the interior--it's gorgeous. I'm certain the performance of Panamera will be exceptional for it's size and weight, after all performance is what Porsche is all about.
I really like Porsche's, but the styling on this gets a big thumbs down from me.


Ricks2DogsRicks2Dogs - 2/12/2009 11:25:22 PM
+3 Boost
Nice timing Porsche. Who on earth will buy this?? They should have brought back the 928. Now that car was something really special! This 4 door race car stuff is weird.


E36erE36er - 2/13/2009 12:34:17 AM
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The Panamera is targeted towards wealthy boomers who can't drive a real sports car because there's not enough cushion in the suspension. This car is further proof that the best days of Porsche are behind them. Porsche's "entry" level Boxter can easly run into the mid 60's. That's too close to GT-R territory for those of us that don't spend our money on Viagra and Time Life music collections. Yes, I'll get deboosted for these comments but the fact remains...the Panamera is NOT A REAL PORSCHE. I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually drop a VW W12 in this thing.


enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 2/13/2009 12:48:20 AM
+2 Boost
the headline is clearly a mistype.

lexus and porsche never have--and never will--be competitors.


3pointstar3pointstar - 2/13/2009 7:32:40 PM
+2 Boost
I would imagine that Porsche will sell a lot of Panamericas and Lexus will continue to do well selling GS430/460. Neither company will have to worry about each other.


M53RM53R - 2/14/2009 3:45:53 AM
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I'm so stuck! I need help! I can't decide between the Lexus GS and the Panamera!!! -_-


XYZZXYZZ - 2/17/2009 4:38:54 AM
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this is so ironically funny!

ever since the 2000 (?) nissan maxima 'fastback' 4-dr sedan, and all the legions of followers, most new 4-drs have had a profile that looked like an elongated 911 with a trunk 'bump out. check it out: most newish 4-drs DO have a 911-like 'fanny tuck.'

and now porsche comes out a TRUE elongated 911!


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