GM Cadillac Coupe featured in Viability Plan: Should Infiniti's G37 worry?

I think the G37, 3-Series coupe, and A5 should all be a little worried. Let's be honest, the luxury sport coupe segment is only so big (and is even smaller these days with the economic downturn). Many coupe buyers want the new and hot car that just came out. More competition means stolen sales.

Personally, I've never been a fan of the CTS's angular styling, but I still think this coupe will do relatively well.

No need to worry when it has an automatic strapped to a V6.

there are basically two groups of coupe buyers. one that wants real performance, one that wants luxury and a nice ride. the 335 coupe is arugablely the best choice for performance oriented buyers, and G is not far behind. the IS coupe/CTS coup/A5 will not convert those hard-core buyers.

but here is the problem, how many buyers are performance driven? i can safely say that number is less than 10% of all the customer who buy those cars. most buyers (including me) want good handling car with good power, stylish desigh, nice ride and luxury. Would i trade in a nicer interior for 0.2 second quicker from 0 to 60? would i trade in a quick cabin and nice stereo for a very frim ride just to gain 0.05G on the skid pad? many buyers would not care, and that's why Lexus sold a lot of copies of ES and IS. the very same reason Camry is the best salling car out there.

so ya. i would definitly give CTS coupe a try. i like the exterior, and i love the interior. so what 3 series/G can out perform it? it is not like i can drive 150 miles per hour and make a U turn on the I 10 freeway.

G37, 3 series, AMG C Class, AUdi A5, NEW E class coupe should all be taking notes. Cadillac has made such an improvement on their lineup. The interiors of the CTS are wonderful.

GM can never seem to take a decent pic of its own vehicles. I still love the CTS coupe but something about that pic isnt right.

I think that you are right about the pic. I believe that a lighter car with the current background or a darker car with a lighter back ground would have made the shape of the car may prominent.

Viso, teknik was making claims without any proof. Is it possible that Audi owners make more than BMW owners? Absolutely, but at least provide a link to a reputable source that verifies this. Otherwise, it is just an outlandish statement from a fanboy (pretty common for teknik).

My posting of base prices of both BMW's and Audi's isn't the final answer to this argument. It was more to refute his absurd statement that BMW's are trash and for poor people. I was highlighting that BMW's tend to command a premium over their comparable Audi competitors. This will usually be the case as well when they are optioned up as well. (It was just easier to show base prices for comparison purposes.) Does this mean BMW's are automatically better than comparable Audi's because they cost a couple of grand more? Of course not. But obviously, there is a reason why they can consistently charge this premium. (I'm sure we could argue all day if the premium is due to performance, handling, marketing, brand image, etc.)

There seem to be way too many fanboys on this site who constantly have to prove their brand is better than everything, no matter (see ChuckG37 and his Infiniti as an example). If an A4 driver believes his car is better than my 3-Series, I have no problem with that. It isn't the end of the world even if I would respectfully disagree. I just wish more users on her would have some more perspective before writing outlandish statements.

Of course the nissan should worry. The Cadillac is gorgeous, the nissan is FAR from it. Between the Gen coupe packing more sport and value, and this Caddy packing far better looks, the nissan's days may be numbered.

"Gorgeous" is a strong word to use describing this coupe. Classic Ferrari's are gorgeous. A safer and more appropriate description would be "handsome."

Teknik, the "BMW = TRASH for poor people who can't afford an Audi or Benz" line is kind of getting old. What are you basing that on? Leasing deals? Almost every BMW has a higher base price than the comparable Audi. Take a look below, BMW commands a higher price premium. Add xDrive to any of these Bimmers to be comparable to quattro and the premium swells even more.

Audi A3: $26,920 / BMW 128i: $29,400
Audi A4 2.0: $31,000 / BMW 328i $33,6000
Audi TT: $35,200 / BMW Z4 3.0I $36,700
Audi A6: $45,100 / BMW 528i $45,800
Audi A8: $74,050 / BMW 750i $80,300
Audi Q5: $37,200 / BMW X3: $39,700
Audi Q7: $43,500 / BMW X5 3.0: $47,500

The only exception to this is:
Audi A5: $40,700 / BMW 328i coupe: $36,500
Audi R8: $114,200 / BMW M6 (closest competitor): $102,100

Teknik, do you at least have a link to back up your claims?

I might be in the minority here but i dont think the Infiniti G37 should be worried. The G37 has beautiful curves while the wedge like design of this caddy is just not attractive to me......

HS, not sure how showing a price difference between BMW and Audi proves anything. One can argue that BMWs are simply overpriced as is Mercedes. And you seriously think you are going to walk into an Audi at those prices? Never seen a an A8L below $82,000. Add options, etc and the price differences are irrelevant. Audi has a better cost structure than BMW so it can price point better. A seriously equiped A4 3.2Q Premium can hit $50,000 these days and a A6 4.2 Q Prestige is easily around $72,000 plus so your little comparision chart is nothing more than a lame attempt to try to make BMW look more expensive than it really is.

Viso, teknik was making claims without any proof. Is it possible that Audi owners make more than BMW owners? Absolutely, but at least provide a link to a reputable source that verifies this. Otherwise, it is just an outlandish statement from a fanboy (pretty common for teknik).

My posting of base prices of both BMW's and Audi's isn't the final answer to this argument. It was more to refute his absurd statement that BMW's are trash and for poor people. I was highlighting that BMW's tend to command a premium over their comparable Audi competitors. This will usually be the case as well when they are optioned up as well. (It was just easier to show base prices for comparison purposes.) Does this mean BMW's are automatically better than comparable Audi's because they cost a couple of grand more? Of course not. But obviously, there is a reason why they can consistently charge this premium. (I'm sure we could argue all day if the premium is due to performance, handling, marketing, brand image, etc.)

There seem to be way too many fanboys on this site who constantly have to prove their brand is better than everything, no matter (see ChuckG37 and his Infiniti as an example). If an A4 driver believes his car is better than my 3-Series, I have no problem with that. It isn't the end of the world even if I would respectfully disagree. I just wish more users on her would have some more perspective before writing outlandish statements.

we are talking about the car please

You forget, BMW 3 series coupe, Mercedes new E series all have an edge on the Infiniti. I like the G37 but for some reason it just doesn't have the same panache these other cars have. Not saying that in the future it won't, the G37 just always seem a 1/2 tick behind the competition. The CTS has great history and people are chopping at the bit for the coupe, that is why it is mentioned in the viability plan. GM was a blotted mega corp, same as Toyota. Once these companies re-organize, it will be very competitive.

So I take it you don't like BMW?

"Looks to me the world should be on notice."

1UAW, looks like the AMERICAN TAXPAYERS should be put on notice since GM wants $16.6 billion MORE from the government. Did you not notice that the Caddy CTS coupe pictures were released with GM's plan (aka plea) to the Feds for more money to stay alive?

They do have a great lineup. Just refocus on the Escalade and reintroduce it smaller, bolder and even more economical. The hybrid system should be std on all vehicles.

"If they had actually put out competitive products in the first place, then they wouldn't be in this mess. "

So explain to me why Toyota/Honda/Nissan/MB/justAboutEveryoneElse is in financial trouble? Is it because none of them have "competitive" products?

I like how people whine, in the midst of the worst economy since the depression, about GM having a hard time. Quite frankly, the reason GM is in the mess right now is because the clowns we call a government let Wall St go wild, the gov has acted childish for over a decade (Bush spending & Iraq to name a few things), and Americans' lack of personal responsibility. Now congress likes to make the Big3 their whipping boys to show how "tough" they are on "bad businesses". Nevermind the MASSIVE restructuring GM has done over the past 10 years. Nevermind the hundreds of billions of dollars in GDP they represent. Nevermind the bad rap they get in the media. Nevermind the fact that they are an AMERICAN technological/industrial powerhouse that secures our security in a multitude of ways. No, lets all just point fingers and complain.

Right Crappy, we all believe you. You're just like good old "Star", we're laughing at you, not with you.

I love the CTS, but the windowline of the coupe is so damn high. It kills the overall looks. I like the car, but it would be 10x better (in terms of looks) if the windowline were more like the CTS sedan.

As for performance, quality, interior, etc, I am sold. The new CTS is top notch, period.

All I have to say is what happened to "Chuck." Usually he would be all over this page. Or did he finally get banned from this site??

Don't really think the G37 or 3 series have anything to worry about. I doubt the people shopoping for a G37 or 3 series will cross shop it with the Cadillac, they cater to different people. The Cadiallac is catering towards older retired crowds who want a coupe, and the G37 and 3 series are catered more towards younger to middle age.

Totally missing demographics. The CTS even though it has a slightly hire ago target, the coupe brings it closer. Coupes in this sector is somewhat the same. G37 youngest, MB, BMW and Caddy together and as a car salesman in my past life, I would say most individuals cross shop more that you realize.

And the fact that the Cadillac lineup has consistenly been gearing towards younger and younger buyers.

Remember Crappy, at you, not with you...

In price, the CTS has always been close to the 3 Series. Size yes the 5 Series. Most will go for what is the better price=performance. So cross shopping will be inevitable.

Is this a picture of the 2011 Corrado?

Is it me or does it seem like a lot of negative responses on the domestic responses?

No, its not you. Take a look at your address bar. It will remind you of what site your on and why there are so many "anti-domestic" people here.

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veyron1001 said: "No need to worry when it has an automatic strapped to a V6."

A V6-engined CTS coupe is a perfect match up for the G37 coupe. The 3.6L has 304hp in the sedan but if GM is really smart, bolting a small, light pressure turbo to it would be easy and would gain more than the extra 26hp it would need to be on equal footing with the G37. I really don't think the turbo is necessary but it gives GM room to play should more power be needed later, without having to resort to increasing displacement.

That said, EVERYBODY should be worried. You only need to look at the road test that the TopGear crew did recently with the ZR1, CTS-V, and the SRT8. The verdict is that America doesn't build a good sportscar. It builds THREE. Dig that. The lighter, stiffer, nimbler coupe body will see to any areas that the CTS may fall short of glory. Guaranteed.

Good point Tango. The Domestics are doing an outstanding job in engineering new vehicles inside and out. Save the Vettes interior, this car has such an awesome brain trust behind it. The Ford Taurus, Fusion, F-150, GM' s line of performance cars sedans and SUV's. It took a shotgun to the head to get it out of them of course.