Can A BMW Lover Slum It In An Acura And Be Happy?

Can A BMW Lover Slum It In An Acura And Be Happy?
A few weeks ago a new car was added to the Agent 00J fleet of auto's.  Agent 00J and his wife learned of a new little Agent that would be joining the family, and Mrs. 00J had expressed the desire to have a 7 passenger SUV on several occasions so it became obvious the time for a new purchase was drawing close.

On a cold, stormy Thursday evening we ventured out to shop.  Having previously driven the BMW X5, GMC Acadia and Chevrolet Traverse along with a quick look at the Cadillac Escalade that Mrs. 00J promptly declared as "too big," the choices were growing slim in the SUV category and a minivan was completely out of the equation.  The GM's were removed from the list given the current uncertaintity of GM, and the BMW when priced out the way we wanted it was close to $60k, and that didn't include the V8 I REALLY WANTED.

I suggested a look at the Acura MDX.  A SUV that I personally like aside from the grill, and one that is reasonably priced in relation to offerings from BMW and Mercedes.  We ventured to the dealer arriving 15 minutes before closing and of course were immediately greeted by a salesman.  The intent to purchase that night was not at 100% instead desiring a quick peek at the MDX to determine if it was a car that Mrs. 00J could be happy with. 

After spending some time in the example on the showroom floor, the MDX was declared to be good.

The clock was now past 7 and most of the dealership people were heading for the door, but the salesman asked if we were prepared to make a purchase that night to which I responded with the "if the price is right" response.

He asked what the right price was to which I quickly gave him a number, he asked for a minute to confer with the "man in the back" returning a few minutes later stating a price $700 higher than my offer.  I asked if they had a MDX in stock in the color combination we wanted along with the equipment we wanted and he responded that they did in fact.  I told him I would purchase the car for what I offered and that was all.

The sales guy again went to "the man in the back" this time returning with "the man in the back."  He quickly told me that they had put an additional $400 worth of dealer crap on the car (all season floor mats along with a trunk mat) so I told him take that stuff out of the car and I would give the extra $300 to make the deal.  He agreed, we shook hands and consummated the transaction.

A little over an hour later we drove home in the new MDX, and honestly I have been extremely impressed with how well this car handles.  I had an opportunity last summer to spend an extended time in a BMW X5, and since I am constantly accused of being biased towards BMW, the obvious choice would have been the X5, however price wise the Acura is a compelling argument in terms of a sport minded SUV.

The MDX we bought has the Sport package along with the Technology and Entertainment packages, and a button sits on the center console below the shifter that adjusts the suspension from "comfort" to "sport."  The differences in the two settings is remarkable with the sport setting offering a much firmer and flatter ride allowing you to hustle the MDX through corners much faster than an SUV should go.

In one spirited run on a back road near my home that I have used as a benchmark for the 911 I had as well as my M3, I was able to get the MDX to post a 3:37 time.  The best run I had in the Porsche was 3:04 and 2:56 for the M3.  That time is a true testament to the SH-AWD system along with the sport suspension.  The MDX exhibited very little body roll and handled the elevation changes without any of the floating suspension sensations you get with softly sprung cars.  Now with that being said, if the suspension were to be set in the comfort setting, those floating sensations are present along with a lot more body roll.

The biggest drawback to the sport setting is the fact that you do feel almost all surface imperfections when driving at slower speeds, but get above 35 or so, and the suspension rewards good and spirited driving much better than a SUV of that size deserves.

Which brings us full circle to the title of the article.  When I called Agent 001 to tell him of the new car, he immediately assumed I had bought an X5.  He was surprised by news of the Acura, however with an out the door sticker price of less than $50k, the MDX is almost $10k less than the X5 we had looked at with no noticeable items missing.

So can a BMW lover slum around town in an Acura?

In a word, Yes!

The more time I have spent driving the MDX, the more impressed I have become with it.  There have not been any items that have annoyed me yet, something that cannot be said of the X5 I had last summer.  There were several things including the shifter on the X5 that really annoyed me.  So far the MDX has proven to be a great choice.

To further the experience the Acura has an interior that is phenomenal with top quality materials.  The center stack including the Acura control knob has proven to be simple to use, and my wife likes the fact that the Navigation System is so simple to use compared to the system in her Audi A6 with MMI. 

I am not thrilled with the Hands Free feature of the MDX, the system forces you to dial through the system to utilize it on outgoing phone calls, however the menu system is simple enough to quickly find names in the phone book imported from my iPhone.

The sound system in the MDX is great, and with the AUX jack I have been able to enjoy my iPod - a feature the Audi we are replacing never afforded us.

Additionally, we have averaged almost 20 MPG doing almost all city driving, not a bad number considering the size of the engine.

So for all of you convinced I am nothing but a shill for BMW, the addition of an Acura to my garage should put some of your accusations to rest.  And honestly, given the quality of the MDX, am I really slumming it?

A special thanks to Keb Barrett at Gary Force Acura in Brentwood Tennessee for making the transaction a smooth one.  He stayed late to make the deal, and I know his dinner was cold when he got home that night because his wife kept texting him while we were finishing up the deal.

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IhavearedS2000IhavearedS2000 - 3/14/2009 8:42:08 AM
+7 Boost
You made the right choice...


DocMartenDocMarten - 3/14/2009 11:42:35 AM
+5 Boost
Exactly. Congratulations Agent00J! Smart chap!


StarStar - 3/14/2009 11:44:48 AM
-11 Boost
Financial problems Agent00J?


Agent00JAgent00J - 3/14/2009 12:32:04 PM
+10 Boost
Star - Not anymore than anyone else. However the thought of spending almost $70k to get the V8 X5 given the current economic conditions just didn't make sense to me.

Unfortunately business has slowed for most everyone, however our construction remodeling business is booming right now.

-00J


FanboysStinkFanboysStink - 3/14/2009 1:40:56 PM
+8 Boost
Star:
"Financial problems Agent00J?"

Smart people buy cars offering same capabilities for less money. They can spend what's left for educating their children.

It's because they simply don't want descendants incapable of finding a job and a girlfriend. Cause then children get desperate and come to various automotive websites, dedicating their existence to post hatred crap under each and every article.


StarStar - 3/14/2009 2:15:33 PM
-6 Boost
I didn't realize you had such hard childhood "fanboistinks".


StarStar - 3/14/2009 4:36:17 PM
-4 Boost
"FanboisStink" Smart people buy cars offering same capabilities for less money"


...and where is this magical place where cars offering the same capabilities are sold for less? You've seen it on Cartoon Network?

If you are implying that the Japanese econoboxes you seem to love so much offer the same capabilities as the German engineering marvels, you need to learn more about cars.


StarStar - 3/14/2009 9:10:25 AM
-13 Boost
It's cheaper than a BMW or Mercedes because it's a Honda. Congratulations, you bought a rebadged economy SUV.


_43LE_43LE - 3/14/2009 10:24:24 AM
+7 Boost
Remember Stat, at you not with you...

http://www.caranddriver.com/buying_guide/acura/mdx/2007_acura_mdx/2007_acura_mdx_sport_comparison_test+type-reviews_by_make+mode-collection+id-255.html


StarStar - 3/14/2009 10:27:02 AM
-11 Boost
I really don't care what American reviewers have to say about cars. Acura does not build premium cars. PERIOD.


_43LE_43LE - 3/14/2009 10:40:05 AM
+5 Boost
Star, you're still a hypocrite for responding to me. You said you'd never respond to me again. If this comparison had BMW in first place you'd be saying how great the publication is, we all know it. Remember, at you not with you.


StarStar - 3/14/2009 11:31:56 AM
-2 Boost
43LE,

you broke the rules. Gloves are off.


_43LE_43LE - 3/14/2009 1:07:34 PM
0 Boost
I never broke the rules, I never promised anything to you. You are the one that said you would no longer respond to me. Look at you!


StarStar - 3/14/2009 3:07:17 PM
-2 Boost
So now you have memory problems too. How convenient.


_43LE_43LE - 3/14/2009 7:36:04 PM
0 Boost
We all know that you're not a very credible source here. No one here believes you. Don't you know that I could actually post the comment that you made and my non-response to it?


njsidekick3njsidekick3 - 3/14/2009 9:37:24 AM
-3 Boost
Can A BMW Lover Slum It In An Acura And Be Happy?

^^^
No. underpowered & too much "bounce" in the ride.


henbmwhenbmw - 3/14/2009 10:00:49 AM
+7 Boost
Coming from a 3-series to an Acura TL, I can also say I an very happy BMW to Acura convert. Especially for what I paid...


LexSucksLexSucks - 3/14/2009 10:11:22 AM
-7 Boost
Any one can tolerate an Acura. I doubt that they will be happy coming from a BMW. If they are happy with the Acura after a BMW? Then they weren't really BMW drivers in the first place. Good riddance. If they are happy, its because they paid less, not because the vehicle is more exciting.


StarStar - 3/14/2009 10:25:03 AM
-9 Boost
Well put.


_43LE_43LE - 3/14/2009 10:42:06 AM
+8 Boost
Funny, the Car and Driver review rated the Cadillac and MDX more fun to drive than the X5.


StarStar - 3/14/2009 11:25:34 AM
-10 Boost
That is funny indeed. Is it an American review? I thought so.


_43LE_43LE - 3/14/2009 1:16:26 PM
+3 Boost
Oh sorry Mr. Wannabe elitist! Yes, everything European is great and amazing and everything else is crap, right?

Remember Star, at you not with you.


StarStar - 3/14/2009 2:30:32 PM
-1 Boost
I never said everything European is great, but when it comes to cars nobody can beat them. Stop trolling.


_43LE_43LE - 3/14/2009 7:37:04 PM
+1 Boost
Star...an example of delusional thinking at its best. Remember, at you not with you.


JRobUSCJRobUSC - 3/14/2009 10:46:53 AM
+13 Boost
some of the BMW fanboism on here is ridiculous, no wonder people like Teknik and Sector tee off on BMW all the time. I'm a BMW fan, and even I would admit the MDX is a great value. I don't like the Darth Vader face, but they're well built, reliable, plenty powerful, and the SH-AWD actually makes them handle at least as well as an X5. Plus they cost much less than a comparable BMW, and the resale value on the MDX is fantastic.

Would I rather have the BMW? Sure. Is $10k a lot of money to save right now? Absolutely. The MDX is no joke, it's a player in this segment. And a good one.


StarStar - 3/14/2009 11:29:11 AM
-8 Boost
"The MDX is no joke, it's a player in this segment"

What segment? It's a Honda. Let's cut the BS.


JRobUSCJRobUSC - 3/14/2009 11:39:57 AM
+11 Boost
Star, just because I am a BMW guy doesn't mean you and I are on the same side. Go back to playing your games with Teknik and Sector. You don't need to post to my comments, I have just as little interest in you as I do them.


StarStar - 3/14/2009 12:06:44 PM
-6 Boost
On the same side???

For starters I am not a BMW guy. I only fight against the rise of mediocrity in car industry(and other fields). There is nothing worse to me than seeing how world class products are not differentiated from mediocre products. When you are claiming that Acura competes with BMW you offend me not as a BMW fan(which I'm not)but as a top professional. Acura is a decent car but in no way it can compete with a technical marvel made by BMW. It is not the opinion of a German car fan, it is the opinion of a specialist.

Don't flatter yourself thinking I have any interest in you because I answered one of your posts. You are just a user name on an Internet site and judging after the quality of your posts you don't strike me as too much of a car guy. Carry on.


WillisWillis - 3/14/2009 12:10:34 PM
+4 Boost
Star,

I know you're joking or are a Japanese car fan trying to make German car fans look like idiots, but your last post was just hilarious! I was laughing so hard!


Agent00JAgent00J - 3/14/2009 12:34:55 PM
+4 Boost
JRobUSC - the $10k was a big factor however I will say I really enjoy the MDX. We still have the A6 which is going back to Audi next month, and I would prefer to drive the MDX over the A6.

For the money the MDX can't be beat, however the grill is still a low point, but it is growing on me.

-00J


bmwdrvrbmwdrvr - 3/14/2009 11:13:49 AM
0 Boost
Honestly wouldnt have a Honda Pilot been a better choice, a real 7 passenger SUV not a 5 passenger one small seats crammed in the back. Im sure I will get deboosted for this but who cares, I could get pass the odd looks of the MDX but that interior is horrendous there shouldnt be that much shiny plastic wood grain that neither looks real or upscale in any car and for the money I think I would be better served in a Pilot, Highlander,a flex, or one of the GM Clones as they are highly rated and seemingly better suited for family duty, I guess if you have to have a pseudo luxury badge why not but otherwise my money would have been elsewhere BMW enthusiast or not but the mainstream brands have this category for me.


Agent00JAgent00J - 3/14/2009 12:41:31 PM
+1 Boost
I forgot to mention in the article that we had looked at the Pilot, however neither of us liked the almost cartoonish interior and exterior elements, and it did not offer Xenon headlights - a must when you live out in the boonies like we do!

-00J


NItePhireNItePhire - 3/14/2009 2:40:07 PM
+1 Boost
I to looked at the MDX and Pilot however the Pilot just doesn't drive,ride or handle very well. On top of that it has some of the worst brakes in its segment. I nearly got the MDX but needed just a little more third row space. But they drive wonderfully and the interiors are top notch were as the pilot looked worse and cheaper than it did last generation. I eventually settled on a CX9 it drives closest to the MDX if not better but came with 10 grand on the hood. The interior is only a little better than the Pilot quality wise but overall much better. The MDX was a good choice. IMO the MDX and the CX9 are about as close to the X5 driving wise that you can get in their price range for the size.


DocMartenDocMarten - 3/14/2009 11:40:41 AM
-1 Boost
Slumming it would be moving from any vehicle (Audi, Benz, Infiniti, Lexus) to a BMW. BMW makes inferior and poorly assembled dproducts, period. The MDX beat the X5 in a comparison test. Agent00J made the right choice. Kudo's mate! You are a smart fellow.

BMW is just a sinking ship, a lot of people are moving away from the brand to much superior products. If you want a real German car, get a Benz or Audi, or get a Japanese Infiniti or Lexus.


XYZZXYZZ - 3/15/2009 4:31:29 AM
0 Boost
joke's ON YOU for failed logic doc. i guess the word "or" just slipped past you huh?


XYZZXYZZ - 3/23/2009 4:50:07 AM
+1 Boost
i meant 1995e34 had the failed logic. nothing wrong with doc's.


StarStar - 3/14/2009 11:42:32 AM
+1 Boost
No BMW lover could be happy downgrading to a lowly Honda.


_43LE_43LE - 3/14/2009 1:12:15 PM
+1 Boost
No car enthusiast could really take Star seriously.

Remember Star, at you not with you.


StarStar - 3/14/2009 2:58:34 PM
-2 Boost
and how would you know that? You are clearly not a car enthusiast.


answeranswer - 3/14/2009 3:16:06 PM
+4 Boost
Star considers himself a car "enthusiast"?????

Dude, all you do is make annoying posts that 99% of the time don't even mention cars.

Remember Star: You suck. You really, really suck.


StarStar - 3/14/2009 3:49:47 PM
-2 Boost
I talk only about cars in my posts. In very rare occasions I choose to answer to some of the hundreds of hateful posts(non car related) that trolls like you, 43LE and other Japanese fanatics are addressing to me every day.
I am here to discuss cars, you are here to whine about me.


answeranswer - 3/14/2009 7:11:29 PM
+1 Boost
Please don't confuse my feelings of annoyance with hatred.

You pop into EVERY single remotely asian story (positive or negative) and take it over with your unrelated crap.

Case in point: "Financial problems agent J?" in this very thread.

Are you honestly just not aware of what you're doing?

Aware or not, don't you dare act as if you are all innocent and everyone else is just picking on you.

Grow up.


_43LE_43LE - 3/14/2009 7:42:12 PM
0 Boost
Answer, Star is so delusional that he thinks that I'm a Japanese car fanatic and you too. Actually, unlike him you and I appreciate well made cars from anywhere. That's his problem, he a Euro car fanatic and he doesn't even realize it.


DaveDave - 3/14/2009 11:50:19 AM
+5 Boost
I too purchased an Acura MDX last year and Agent 00J is right on the money.
Acura is working hard to develop new competitive products even in this economy. We'll see how it turns out in the coming year.


M53RM53R - 3/14/2009 11:53:07 AM
-2 Boost
Good choice 00J. Ofcourse, if money was no issue the X5 is a better choice, but the Acura gives you a lot for the money.


Agent00JAgent00J - 3/14/2009 12:39:23 PM
0 Boost
Let me make this clear, MONEY IS NOT A PROBLEM - however if you think it is a problem for Mrs. 00J and myself, contact me directly and offer to send some cash.

With that being said, the economy still has everyone on edge and being a little more fiscally prudent won't hurt anyone.

-00J


M53RM53R - 3/14/2009 4:17:24 PM
-4 Boost
I know, and I never said you were facing money problems. All I said is that the Acura gives you more for the money, but the X5 is a better car. ( And is more expensive ).


DocMartenDocMarten - 3/14/2009 11:53:19 AM
-7 Boost
Agent00J,

Great decision to get off the sinking ship while you can. BMW is in a downward spiral. The company might go bankrupt. Mercedes or Toyota might have to bail them out.

Last year, net profits for BMW went down almost 90 percent but company heads claimed that the carmaker is in good health financially speaking.
As it turned out the 89.5 percent drop in BMW’s profits, which was equivalent to 2.4 Billion Euros (2.24 Billion Pounds), is attributed to exceptional costs connected to bad debts, personal costs and provisions to cover risks on used car outlets.

I know you said 7 passenger, but do you really need that much space? The GLK, Q5, and XC60 look good.


SmokeEmSmokeEm - 3/14/2009 12:41:59 PM
-2 Boost
Good economical choice, the MDX. Honestly, you were slumming it before when driving Bimmers. Should have bought a Porsche Cayenne or GL550.


ThierryHenry14ThierryHenry14 - 3/14/2009 1:03:49 PM
-1 Boost
Congrats on the new Acura...

Now you are one of 12 people who bought Acuras in 2009...


Agent00JAgent00J - 3/14/2009 11:08:39 PM
+2 Boost
I have to laugh, just a down right funny comment.

-00J


answeranswer - 3/14/2009 3:12:41 PM
+2 Boost
MDX is awesome, especially with the black/bourdeaux color combination.

Some of you people sound like you need the approval of random-ass people on a message board to feel "happy" about what you drive.

I find that extremely sad.


MarklaarMarklaar - 3/14/2009 3:38:56 PM
+3 Boost
With apologies to the sane people here, 00J, I can't believe you're taking time to quasi seek the opinion of trolls on this forum.

Having been in your position myself, I drove everything in the segment extensively (with exactly your exclusions).
The MDX's driving dynamics kick X5 butt and unless you're badge-struck it's hard to make the case for the BMW at 15K extra.

You should have taken the time to look at the Q7 as well. That's the one that made the MDX the second choice for us. The X5 was a distant third.

Enjoy your ride!


StarStar - 3/14/2009 3:58:30 PM
+1 Boost
Thanks for playing(trolling).


_43LE_43LE - 3/14/2009 7:44:42 PM
0 Boost
Star, don't be bitter because the MDX drives better and is more fun to drive than the X5. It makes you look even worse than you already do.


StarStar - 3/14/2009 10:55:51 PM
0 Boost
"don't be bitter because the MDX drives better and is more fun to drive than the X5." 43LE



who do you think can take you seriously after you post c**p like this.


_43LE_43LE - 3/15/2009 10:11:13 AM
0 Boost
Remember Star, at you not with you.


StarStar - 3/15/2009 11:28:10 PM
0 Boost
LE43,

All your contribution to these forums is limited to a phrase as retarded as "at you, not with you". You would be banned from any car site in max. two minutes for completely ignoring the title of the threads, flaming other members constantly and never mention cars in any of your posts. I don't know why they didn't ban you from this site considering that even your user name indicates that you are a troll. Maybe is one of the agents trying to impersonate a retard, using this 43LE user name. If it is...it deserves an Oscar. I could swear there is a retard there responding under this 43LE user name. It sounds so convincing.


_43LE_43LE - 3/15/2009 11:46:49 PM
0 Boost
LOL Star! Keep it coming! Remember, at you not with you...


Agent00JAgent00J - 3/14/2009 11:12:32 PM
0 Boost
I still have the M3, I don't know if you saw my post from several weeks ago however telling the story of how one of my employees crashed the M3.

The insurance company has not totaled the M3 yet, however I am pushing for it to be totaled.

-00J


AgentOrangeAgentOrange - 3/14/2009 4:26:24 PM
-1 Boost
"Can A BMW Lover Slum It In An Acura And Be Happy?"

No f#@king way...


DocMartenDocMarten - 3/14/2009 4:31:00 PM
0 Boost
Like I said before, excellent choice Agent00J!

You are a smart man! Did you look at the Q7?


AudiphileAudiphile - 3/14/2009 4:31:08 PM
-1 Boost
Dear OOJ,

I'm glad that you found something you liked and could afford. How many kids - excise me, Little Agents - do you have in total, by the way?

For curiosity's sake, and assuming your family is smaller than 5 people, why did you choose an SUV instead of a station wagon?

I don't like SUVs generally, so I don't follow that market segment closely. Thus I can't evaluate the MDX vis a vis competing models from other manufacturers. However, Acura/Honda make good, reliable cars, so you shouldn't have any mechanical problems with it.

You remarked that you couldn't interface your iPod with the audio system on your Audi A6. I don't know what year your A6 is, but I do know that iPod interface IS available (either standard or optional) on EVERY 2009 Audi model EXCEPT for the A3.

Finally, what are you going to replace the A6 with?


Agent00JAgent00J - 3/14/2009 11:11:33 PM
+1 Boost
We have a 2 1/2 year old boy and found out last month we are expecting again bring the total to 2 kids.

In terms of a wagon, my wife was dead set against a wagon and a minivan, so an SUV really was the only alternative for us.

-00J


JB007JB007 - 3/14/2009 5:26:52 PM
-1 Boost
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha - The answer is NO !!!!

Let's be honest, if you are happy with the Acura that is cool but you will always want the BMW - every time one drives past.


iamdabest1iamdabest1 - 3/14/2009 9:39:32 PM
+1 Boost
in this economy you gotta be happy driving any premium car.
there is nothing wrong with an MDX for the wife :)



iamdabest1iamdabest1 - 3/14/2009 9:41:46 PM
+3 Boost
btw my wife has an RDX, and it doesnt suck nearly as much as everyone on this web site says it does. the sales are so poor that i doubt anyone ever really drove it, you all just repeat what you heard here. go and drive the damn thing, you will see acura is not that bad. the designs arent great, but i think they have nice looking interiors.


JordanskiJordanski - 3/14/2009 9:50:04 PM
0 Boost
Yeah, iDrive is depressing.


StarStar - 3/14/2009 11:21:32 PM
+1 Boost
Acura is a plain Honda car with a different badge. It was marketed as a a premium brand only in America and Canada where the car buyers are still fighting with monkeys for the better place on the evolution scale. Some say monkeys won but who knows...


_43LE_43LE - 3/15/2009 10:12:49 AM
-2 Boost
Star, don't be bitter because the MDX in some ways is better than the X5. Remember, at you not with you.


mikeydred20mikeydred20 - 3/15/2009 11:24:51 AM
-1 Boost
The MDX in many ways is better than the X5 (V6 versions) beat the last generation while testing in Germany probally will beat this generation.Interior is more technologically advanced, more luxury(yes I said it) and roomier (3rd row excluded).


jselljsell - 3/16/2009 1:54:02 PM
+2 Boost
OOJ...wait until you get comfortable with the voice commands...and then you will see why Acura is far ahead in the technology game than most manufacturers....it's unfortunate that most on here feel that BMW is the end-all be-all of the automotive world...Acura has great products (grill aside) in every segment that they play in....
good to see you opened up to a different brand...now you will see how easy it should be to own a terrific car..
V-10 NSX (still dreaming)


thstonethstone - 3/16/2009 2:58:23 PM
0 Boost
One more example of "I would have bought the BMW but I could get a ______ (fill in the blank) for less. And even though its not nearly as good as the BMW, its good enough." Which is fine, as long as all you're after is "good enough for the money".


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