Audi wants blood, does the new S4 trounce BMW's 335i?

The better car won, period.

If you are too poor to buy the winner, get the 2nd class citizen Bimmer.

Nothing to see here people, please move along.

i can see the comments to follow

BMw fans 'the M3 should compare to this car because it is faster" " the A4 3.2 is to compare to the 335 because we like the results better"

A4 2.0 > 328
A4 3.2 < 330
S4 > 335
M3 vs RS4 well the car is not being made so we will see

Exactly. The bigger they are, the harder they fall.

yes i can sell any car but i want to sell Audi

Not unexpected. Not to say that the BMW is a bad car, its an amazing vehicle, especially when pushed to the edge, but the Audi is just a step ahead.

If this is a sign of things to come from Ingolstadt, then its a bright future for Audi...

Surely they should have put the S4 against the BMW M3? See which one would have come first then - muppets !!

First of all, the Audi RS4 is the vehicle to compare to the M3 in this case. Otherwise, maybe the testers believed the 335i was so good, it needed the S4 in order to be even.

why don't we put it up vs the 911

WHY DONT WE TRY TO DO 8CYL FOR 8CYL YOU AUDI FANS ARE DYING TO GET ANY KIND OF WIN YOU CAN FROM BMW COME ON IS THAT FAIR. THE 335i CAME PRETTY DAMN CLOSE COMPARED TO THE S4. CAN WE GET A FAIR TEST. THIS TEST MEANS NOTHING TO ME BECAUSE BOTH CARS ARE NOT EQUAL

dick

This is just bloody silly. Those BMW chaps can't even beat Nissan (135i has already lost twice to the 370Z), how are they to beat a much superlative German product like Audi? With Porsche getting more involved in the show, Audi does indeed have a bright future that BMW simply can't match. This is a German publication, so they indeed know that Audi is exemplary. Kudo's to the Germans (Audi) on this one...

lol this is statement is rediculous as is most comments here including those that are pro BMW. First off this same mag rated the RS4 above the new M3 yet how many mags later, and how many tests later the M3 still reighns supreme. You let one mag dictate which car is better lol the whole believe everything you hear types. Sad. As far as BMW and Nissan guess what the GTR has beaten many cars including porsche, has the M3 beaten an R8 in a test oh yeah. Is the A3 even mentioned in these tests at all which is the car the 1 series competes(or so Audi would like you to believe) No. The 1 series regardless of its engine is an entry level BMW and wasnt visioned as a high performance sports car but a back to basics entry BMW for the masses. Yet in tests it is compared to a car that from the start was built as a sports alone, any test of the 1 series shows its the best all rounder, nicer interior, more practical, and yes overall the better car all this and its just an entry level coupe again where is the A3, TSX, or the likes in the comparisons no where. Tell you what Im glad Audi is "catching" up with BMW's 335i with this all new S4 after the 335i has already beaten the S4, and S5 in tests previously but any "real" mag or test always saids it still lacks steering feel, the engine is to quiet, and the BMW is the better performer. Lol first a V8 and almost 350 hp plus 13 mpg to challenge the 335i now this, and they still cant get the dynamics right. Nice try maybe next time.

Try splitting that up into paragraphs, then use proper grammar and punctuation and then maybe I will read it, okay good buddy?

sector/DocMarten, are you that bored that you have to come up with new profiles on here? Let it go.

I really like how the S4 demolishes the 335i at 200 km/h.

0-160 km/h 11.5 Sec. 12.7 Sec.
0-180 km/h 14.6 Sec. 16.9 Sec.
0-200 km/h 18.6 Sec. 21.2 Sec.

Two German magazines tested the S4 and 335i/xi. The S4 outperformed both and won in both categories.

The S4 costs more than the 335, but brings more performance as well.

So, both the 335i and 335ixi lost to the S4. Well, Audi is superior, everyone knows that.

say what you will but this is a blog and they are called typos, as poorly written as your post are you certainly aren't one to talk. As far as these numbers the 335i has beaten an S5 around the track and has posted times identical to the S5 as well. While ironically in 2009 how many years later Audi is just playing catch up to BMW's aminstream 335i with its performance version of the A4, most mags that have tested the S4 say it cant match the 335i's dynamics, yet all I see mentioned here is performance times of a car that outpowers the 335i. The problem with beating the 335i is that it doesnt just deliver superior times but superior dynamics, something Audi cant get right, not to mention BMW is resting on its laurels when the 335i gets an update and increase in power it will again be faster than audis so called performance car S4, yet costing nearly as much as an M3 lol, even with a parent company it takes Audi alot more resources, to simply match a mainstream model from BMW. At least this time it doesnt get worse gas mileage than the 630hp ZR1, while offering no benefit in the way of performance over cars like the 335i or even the G37. Maybe one day right now, they are just an also ran.

the S4 is also like 10gs more expensive when you include the options and packages and that definitely adds alot to the decision making process. i dont think the s4 is worth that much more than the 335i

how did you determine this?
I don't think the 2012 BMW MF4 is as nice as the Nissan g53
oh i haven't see or driven them so i guess i can't come to that conclusion.

what is your point whatthe?

all opionions are worthless on this site but I do know Audi. I could see any car but Audi is my fav.

Audi superiority over BMW evident. Let me provide a indisputable example.


This is RS6 Avant tuned to 730HP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEytNLhEjzg

The launch is super smooth, with instant, permanent traction and absolute stability. Gearbox upshifts without a trace of jerk, despite massive power transferred.


This is stock M5, 500HP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMwjfsK4J4k

The car is incapable to launch without skidding, despite having 230HP less. Every gear change produces a blunt knocking noise which you'd rather expect from a 10-year-old Saturn Ion, not brand new 100k+ BMW. Inferior BMW SMG technology can't upshift under load as ordinary Audi tiptronic can.


M6 is so unstable when launching, the driver has to fight dramatically to avoid steering into a ditch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXAS9WuoeSE


Where RS6 swaps gears under full load as it was nobody's business, M5 shakes and rattles as it was going to fall apart: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCVThnE4KBk


Where RS6 powers ahead, M cars spin helplessly:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTFQzp8owgA

Very nice, thank you for those video's.

Ironic that someone calling themselves FanboysStink, is such a huge fanboy!

Fanboy,

the videos you provided links for are proving again how wicked fun these BMWs are to drive. Are these videos suposed to make us NOT like BMW? LOL...you got to be joking.

Thanks for showing us the unrefined and clunky nature of these cars. They sound like they are going to fall apart after each shift. Their owners should just go ahead and buy a Mustang or Camaro and save money. They offer the same thrills for a very cheap price.

Hatred is the coward's revenge for being intimidated.

— DocMarten

A curious statement from one of the biggest haters on this blog.

Indeed. It is called hypocrisy.

It was written in German. I'm in the same boat as you - I'm not fluent in German either.

The 335i lost to the old G35. Why is this a surprise?

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=123235

Like I said, nothing to see here kids, move along.

The better car won, the cheaper/inferior car lost. The End.

News flash for you. In the MAJORITY of comparisons 335i won against both the lowly Altima G35/37 and the Audi S4. I'm sure the new S4 is going to lose plenty of comparisons against the 335i. We(the enthusiasts)know that an Infiniti or an Audi could never beat a BMW outside the pages of a magazine.

Hey guys, who is this BMW puppy dog "Star"?

Does he follow everyone around?

What should I teach him to do first, fetch or roll over?

BMW can't even beat the G37, they have no hope for the S4.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_0708_infiniti_g37_bmw_335/test_drive.html

There is no shame if you can't afford the winner, buy the CHEAP 335i.

Wait for the RS4 to demolish the M3.

-Move along people, nothing to see here.

Just more signs of trouble for those BMW chaps. The Audi S4, Audi RS6, Audi R8, Bugatti Veyron, Lamborghini Gallardo and Murcielago, and all Bentley's. All those great VW products that BMW has no chance of beating.

It is a great time to be an Porsche and Audi enthusiast. Porsche, the most race winning company in the world along side Audi. Can't forget about Ferrari too, the F1 master. Great time to be a car enthusiast, too bad BMW is being left in the dust. That is the way things go sometimes, unfortunately.

I wouldn't really call a Bugatti Veyron a VW. Yes, technically VW owns the brand but come on that is like calling a...darn I can't actually think of anything worse than that.

Hey Doc,

Do you know where one can find an English translation of this article?

Hey, you can use any online translator. It won't be exact, but you will get the gist of what the article is saying.

BTW, here are the performance figures, the S4 spanks the 335i almost everywhere.

Audi S4 - BMW 335

Acceleration:
0-80 km/h 3.6 Sec. 4.0 Sec.
0-100 km/h 5.0 Sec. 5.5 Sec.
0-120 km/h 6.8 Sec. 7.8 Sec.
0-130 km/h 7.8 Sec. 8.8 Sec.
0-160 km/h 11.5 Sec. 12.7 Sec.
0-180 km/h 14.6 Sec. 16.9 Sec.
0-200 km/h 18.6 Sec. 21.2 Sec.
Factory Rating 0-100 km/h 5.1 Sec. 5.6 Sec.
Top Speeds (limited) 250 km/h 250 km/h

In Gear Flexability
60-100 km/h (5th Gear) 6.2 Sec. 6.4 Sec.
80-120 km/h (5th Gear) 6.2 Sec. 6.5 Sec.
80-120 km/h (6th Gear) 7.8 Sec. 7.8 Sec.

Braking (100 to 0 km/h)
Cold 35.4 m 38.6 m
Warm 35.4 m 37.8 m

I currently drive a 2009 Audi A4 (2.0-liter twin-turbo 4), but will probably upgrade to the S4 when it is available in the States.

I have driven the BMW 335i. It's a wonderful car, and I love that buttery-smooth inline 6, but I'm a little too tall to fit in it comfortably. Also, it snows occasionally where I live, so I need AWD, and the 335xi won't stand a chance performance-wise against the S4. I prefer Audi's MMI to iDrive, the Audi interior is a little nicer, etc. Thus for me the S4 edges out the 335i.

Very unimpressive for the S4...it only managed to beat the M3 by 8 measly points (out of 650) and costs 10k more. I'd definitely take the M3, considering it how it was able to go toe-to-toe with the S4.

Now...the M3 is the car they should have been comparing. Any takers on which would win this matchup? Seems like an unfair fight to me....need to bring out the big guns for this one....the RS4. Now THAT would be a comparison I'd be interested in seeing.

what?

is this amazingidiot with another screenname?

i love bmw, it just seems to me that audi beats bmw with the rs editions.
i love bmw to death but if audi had lease deals like bmw, i would end up with audi.
i will not pay 1000 dollars for an S5 when i can get an m3 for 900per month.
an s4 goes for about 850 per month when the 335i goes for 650....
audi's are just too expensive. ( worth it, but too much)

Well, seeing how BMW is tightening their lease on their cars, the M3 might be even more.
Case in point: the new 7 series jumped almost $800 in lease payments versus the previous generation.

BMW is still spending way to much on each car to move them with cheep leases
ALG puts the 5 series at around 35% for 3 years but BMWF has the lease with a 63% res
to me that is crazy. How do you support a business model with you put 10k towards each car? It didn't work for Detroit.
Let me paint a picture A guy comes into an Audi dealer with a 7 series and a Bluetooth earpiece in his ear. He is coming into Audi to "drop his payment". He drives the A8L and loves it. We work the numbers and his lease is $1,750 a month. Of course he needs every option even though he didn't have it on his last car.
"what! my 7 series is $850 a month and it is the same MSRP as the car I have now."

The fact is there are thousands of customers like this from BMW thinking they are the shit. If you lease a 60k car the payment should be $1,000 if you lease a $40K car the payments should not be $300 a month, and if you buy your house with no money down with stated income you should be renting

"DocMarten" I think it's time to realize that you're a major hater...You obviously read some of "bmwdrvr's" post (Maybe you even read the whole thing) & then stopped when you realized it was pro-BMW, then in turn delivered a bitter sounding comment poking fun at his grammar skills because his points on the subject were too tricky to counter.

Okay good buddy?

Also you know we've seen way better acceleration times for the 335i than this...0-60 time of 5.5sec is almost a full second behind the best we've seen from a 335i.

Intelligent people know that it is foolish to compare numbers from different publications with different conditions and drivers and pick the lowest numbers because it fits their agenda. But, you already knew all of this right? Or am I giving you too much credit? If the 335i beats the new S4 on the same track, under the same conditions, with the same driver then I will give it credit. Until then, the S4 has currently spanked the 335i. You get what you pay for, the better car. Don't worry, there is nothing wrong with only being able to afford the lesser car.

Europeans and American test differently. Most US magazine times are .3 of a second quicker than they really are. 100 km/h is also 62 mph and not 60, this adds time as well, sometimes there is a gear change involved.

If the S4 is quite a bit quicker in Europe, it will be quite a bit quicker in the US as well.

Wow, the Audi S4 is a killer car and think goodness the new convertible will be a soft top.

Yahoo!!!!!!

Fair enough, but 5.5sec is very conservative for a 335i. In fact I believe that's the slowest time I've seen for a 335i. Also; as you said, the BMW is cheaper with a base price of $40,000 which is exactly the same as an A4 3.2. Compare those two & I'll bet a different outcome. So true, a buyer who cannot afford the S4 should go with a 335i, & a buyer who can afford one should shell out another couple grand for the M3.

I think people are getting too hung up on a new model with audi "out-doing" BMW. This is all about product life cycles. Of course the S4 is going to be a lot more comparable to, or maybe even better than, the 335i than it was in 2007-2008. Audi would be negligent if it didn't throw together a product to top the current king of the entry level luxury segment. The 335i is going into it's 3rd model year in 2009 and so was due for someone to finally beat it. I can't wait to see how BMW will respond with their next 3 series in 2012 or maybe an engine refresh by cranking up the boost in the 335's turbos.

As it stands I'd probably still buy the 335 as I don't need all-wheel drive and I'd save the $10K. Also, where I live BMWs seem to hold their value far better than audi's do.

I gues that BMW will update the 335 engine soon sometime, it is alreade having 326 hp in the new 7 series 740i its only available in Europe. But i have 20 hp more than the 335 series.

It takes a $10k more expensive "S" badged Audi to beat a 3-series? Doesn't sound like a victory to me.

I remember the days when the "S4" competed against the M3. Not anymore. Now it competes against 3-series? Seems like the S4 has been downgraded? Can someone explain the significance of the "S" badge on the new "S4"?

Neither car does it for me. The S4 needs to look less like an A4 3.2 with different brakes and badges, and the 335 needs some interior upgrades, an LSD, and a dual-clutch transmission.

I don't think it's a fair comparison. BMW 335i is a normal car of the BMW stable, just like the Audi A4. I wonder why Audi has A4, then S4 and then RS4! Does it take them 3 variations of the same model (4 series) to tackle BMW? I mean, theoretically speaking, the Audi A4 should compete with the BMW 3 series sedans. The Audi RS4 with BMW M3. I wonder why the S4 exists?

I have to point out one matter between current compact Audi & BMW lineups.

Price vise it has reached a point where 335xi is less expensive than S4 and M3 is more expensive than both S4 or S5 followed by RS cars beeing more expensive than M cars (this in european pricing). In that sence none of them are really comparable, because of the sizable gaps..

Your pockets will tell you wheather it's 335, S4 & S5, M3 or future RS money, that you got there..

As far as 3,2 Audi's go, they are in every possible way a yeaster years products and therefore not to be even talked about in the same sentence with the previously mentioned cars (Audi's own 2,0 TFSI is basically beating the hell out of their own 3,2 :) ).

I personally have a 335ci, but might be buying a new 3,0 TFSI S5 when it comes out. However, before doing so, Audi will have to win me over by providing me the set of irrational feelings you get during your test drive (like BMW did to me the last time). If that hapens, I will check my pockets, again..

Personally, I could not care less about the badges..

Find "all the other mags" that test the new B8 S4 against the 335i or 335xi. I am waiting. The 335i and 335xi have already lost to the S4 in two separate tests in German publications. Even the G37 has beaten the 335i two times. Please find those tests, I will check back.

"Even the G37 has beaten the 335i two times. Please find those tests, I will check back."

- Why dont you find those tests? Since you are the one trying to disprove his point.

The BMW handles better and has a better interior, and there is no doubt at all it is a better looking car. All the Audi has is traction and a better build quality