Are American Buyers Losing Their Taste For Japanese Luxury Brands?

Are American Buyers Losing Their Taste For Japanese Luxury Brands?
They say the tough times separate the men from the boys, and I think we can all agree these are pretty tough times.  When the economy is on a high there is a surplus of money and some of that money is spent on less rational items such as luxury cars.  After all we all want to feel like we have made it and live the good life, right?

But when those times get tough the real world sets in.  Your adjustable rate mortgage has doubled, your job is in trouble, the credit cards are out of control, add to that your attractive nanny got pregnant and your wife is giving you the evil eye. 

So with your world in turmoil you cut back to the core and you try to refinance that home, you send the nanny back to Rio with a promise of silence and a six digit severance package, pull those kids out of private school, and that shiny new luxury car goes on the classifieds at Autospies.com.

It is pretty obvious that most luxury brands are hurting right now, but if you look at the last three months you can see some appear to be just praying for a turnaround, while others are taking the matter into their own hands.  A case in point may be BMW.  Simply put my friends they are not standing by idle, they are pulling out the deals and moving cars and gaining market share.  You need to look no further than the simple fact that this time last year BMW was trailing Lexus by over 1850 units and only three months into the year they are ahead of Lexus by over 700 units.  Something is wrong in Lexus land, or something is incredibly right over at BMW.  I don't know which.

Looking at the sales figures since January though, you do see some specific trends.  The German 3 in general are staging a comeback, while the Japanese 3 are still in the desperate throws of the recession.  Infiniti in particular is in a downright free fall dropping a staggering 47.60% in March alone.  Acura led this slide early last year, so the percentages are against already lower numbers from the prior year.  Lexus though is experiencing real problems.  Almost every month for the last six months they are losing more and more sales. Whether this is from consumers holding off on the purchase of a new Lexus or moving elsewhere as yet to be seen.

The German 3 on the other hand are still suffering along with the rest of us, but they are bucking the trend never the less. Audi is still down on last year, but is closing the gap rapidly, and is gaining market share. BMW has pulled out all stops and is reacting to the customer’s concerns with special lease rates and financing starting last month.  Mercedes too is showing a reversal of the trend with specials.

I guess my big question is why are the Japanese suffering so badly?  Remember these were the powerhouses when the economy was good.  Did they so successfully harvest a crop of entry level buyers that the market evaporated beneath them?  Are they holding on to current designs until they are stale?   Are they so worried about other factors, they fail to realize they the customer the have carefully cultivated over the year simply doesn’t have the resilience during economic downturns?

Don’t forget the Germans though, why are they reversing the trend?  Is it because of an onslaught of new models has placed them at an advantage?  Are they simply responding with specials now to boost sales only to haunt them later?  Are their customers inherently better positioned to weather the bad times?

Think about it and give us your best shot.

Units Sold

 

Jan

Feb

March

1st QTR

Acura

5425

7659

9005

24520

Audi

4722

4653

6433

15808

BMW

12232

12979

17520

42731

Infiniti

7115

6359

7242

20716

Lexus

14722

13108

14239

42069

Mercedes Benz

10433

14199

15602

40234

 

 

 

 

 

Percentage Decline

 

Jan

Feb

March

1st QTR

Acura

-37.90%

-39.00%

-29.50%

-33.80%

Audi

-26.40%

-24.40%

-19.40%

-23.10%

BMW

-15.50%

-28.50%

-24.20%

-26.80%

Infiniti

-17.70%

-36.80%

-47.60%

-36.30%

Lexus

-30.30%

-35.80%

-38.30%

-35.90%

Mercedes Benz

-42.90%

-23.50%

-25.00%

-30.20%





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pchera01pchera01 - 4/3/2009 1:06:56 PM
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march was really bad for infiniti and Lexus
and the gap between Acura and Infiniti came down


B7FANB7FAN - 4/3/2009 1:36:25 PM
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I think so the japenese brands were doing terrific in the 90's between acura and the Legend, Vigor, Integra, then you had lexus with the ES300, GS300/400 and the SC300/400 these cars were killin them back in the day. I couldnt drive down the block in NY and not see at least 3 of these cars a day. Now to me infiniti didnt start making nice cars until the G35 sedan/coupe and the FX came out.....just my opinion....but now everyone pretty much wants to go German and I dont blame them. All there cars are made like tanks and they have sufficient power to back up that weight in some companys. I was a german fan for the longest and now people are seeing these cars and they are buying them up....the japanese had there time so now its time for the germans thats how I see it


inspirion7inspirion7 - 4/3/2009 2:23:37 PM
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People get tired of seeing the same car and rug rat carts at the park or golf courses. The Japanese success was due in part on aping the germans at their own game: make vehicles that perform like them but priced less. A standard business model that worked for awhile. i've always say, you can't out do the original in any segment. The Japanese need to focus on what works for them so does the domestics. We will see what how this shakes out, but my opinion is that we will see a swings back and forth this year. The dollar to the yen isn't helping Japan at this time, so they are not in the posed to be as competitive as they where just last year. We need to take that into consideration. Think about it, how did BMW just surge like that? Is it their incentives, dollar value number of leased vehicles increased?


Agent009Agent009 - 4/3/2009 2:46:43 PM
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Infiniti is in sad shape and need to do something soon.


dbsvolantedbsvolante - 4/5/2009 4:41:26 AM
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I'd buy a new Jaguar over a Lexus any day thanks, especially the red hot XK & XF, the next XJ in a few months will be quite some machine aswell :P


Joe_LimonJoe_Limon - 4/3/2009 1:08:50 PM
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The amount of variance in these graphs and the fact that none of these companies are growing makes these figures fairly useless. I think charts with more then the past 3 months (i.e. at least a year) and a description to show just where these companies came from before the recession would make a much more interesting article.


Agent009Agent009 - 4/3/2009 1:54:24 PM
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Joe_Limon - I like your blue hair, But I disagree. You can indeed win while losing sales. If the competition all drops by 40% and you only drop by 20%, you then gain market share in a declining economy. In a perfect world you will retain that market share when the economy rebounds. Gaining market share is the key to winning the game.


PerformanceGuyPerformanceGuy - 4/3/2009 1:08:55 PM
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Don't think so, times are hard for everyone. It makes not difference which country the car is from.


Agent009Agent009 - 4/3/2009 1:57:07 PM
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True, but if the bulk of your sales are to one demographic. And that demographic is affected more than others (like bankers). Your problem is more severe, becuase you are affected more than your competition.

It is safe to argue entry level buyers moving up from the mainstream brands may be more affected than old money.


r_driver04r_driver04 - 4/6/2009 12:02:47 PM
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That's the real truth. You can't expect their numbers to remain unaffected by the economic climate. If people aren't buying Japanese Luxury as much, what are they buying? German numbers are also down. You telling us that Cadillac is doing well?


camrydrivercamrydriver - 4/3/2009 1:17:36 PM
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That little girl looks like she is drinking toilet water from the look on her face. Japanese taste like toilet water. Newly Tasty Improved Enhanced. Will produce you young party happily and exceedingly. Moistens your body rapidly and softens your soul gently. Is life us all.


Agent009Agent009 - 4/3/2009 1:48:32 PM
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She was at a taste of Lexus event, noted by her wrist band....


camrydrivercamrydriver - 4/3/2009 4:13:58 PM
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Consumer Reports, you know the magazine that reviews and rates appliances, said that they recommended the Camry, so you know it has to be good. 60% of the time CR is right, every time. Why do you think every great car in the world is front drive? It's because the front wheels "pull" you through the corner. It sounds good so it must be true. Plus, I luv how Toyota classed up my Camry by incorporating the 7 Series trunklid and 5 Series taillights! See them for yourself!!!!!




AmericaAmerica - 4/4/2009 7:39:41 PM
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But at least toylex copied BMW styling!!! LMAO!!!! From the ls to the corolla, toylex has copied BMW styling cues. Pathetic.




AmericaAmerica - 4/4/2009 7:46:09 PM
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BTW, adding power to the front wheels during a corner CAUSES UNDERSTEER. Take any front drive car into a corner quickly and then add power. The front plows in a straight line! Try it yourself if you don't believe it. Power-on oversteer causes rotation, which is useful for cornering when applied skillfully.




GermanNutGermanNut - 4/3/2009 1:25:55 PM
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Once again, Audi posts a smaller percentage decline when compared to BMW and Mercedes-Benz both in the United States and globally.


PerformanceGuyPerformanceGuy - 4/3/2009 1:28:38 PM
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Not surprised at that, as out of the 3 german car companies, Audi has the best line up.


inspirion7inspirion7 - 4/3/2009 1:54:28 PM
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Audi is bonin' out. Watch out, slow and steady wins the race. Audi is on the rise, like it or not. It is what it is.


Agent009Agent009 - 4/3/2009 1:58:00 PM
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They also have a newer lineup than anyone else.


Agent009Agent009 - 4/3/2009 2:47:44 PM
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Few doubt that Audi is on a roll right now. But for how long is the better question.


LauderdaleDriverLauderdaleDriver - 4/4/2009 8:54:21 PM
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I think one reason Audi has done well is that it has the largest selection of small cars and 4 cylinder cars of the Luxo brands.





r_driver04r_driver04 - 4/6/2009 12:05:43 PM
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What do you expect when you sell less cars?


Agent009Agent009 - 4/3/2009 2:00:21 PM
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I bet overall The Europeans may beat the Japanese in economy. But it makes sense to do a story on it to find out.



JRobUSCJRobUSC - 4/3/2009 2:52:50 PM
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"I will say this once and only once so listen closely"

translation: I'm a troll who has said this 1 million times already...


Joe_LimonJoe_Limon - 4/3/2009 5:53:33 PM
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Oh that would be a good story :) Comparison for fuel economy vs power of different classes of cars from different manufacturers.


06TLDude06TLDude - 4/3/2009 8:05:27 PM
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Ha Ha Ha, I think you’re a little off. When it comes to value, quality, reliability, interiors, design, performance and wow factor Lexus and Acura have it (Infiniti is getting there, though they already have performance).

In terms of overall package, IMO, it’s Lexus > Acura > Infiniti with Acura and Lexus being very close depending on your preferences. If all you care about is performance then Infiniti is for you. .02


NItePhireNItePhire - 4/3/2009 2:10:42 PM
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Its obvious that BMW sales were propped up by Mini, just go back and look at the sales numbers you guys posted over the past six months. Take Mini out and then let me know how BMW's numbers are. You are right you can win by getting or maintaining share however having seven variations of one car helps too. The article before this states that we arent considering Americans GM and Chrysler, so if you combine the articles what does that mean?


JRobUSCJRobUSC - 4/3/2009 4:04:39 PM
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"Its obvious that BMW sales were propped up by Mini, just go back and look at the sales numbers you guys posted over the past six months. Take Mini out and then let me know how BMW's numbers are. "

Fair enough, I'll take out Mini's #'s and tell you what BMW's #'s are -- they are exactly the figures posted in this article.

Reading comprehension man, try some.


EL34EL34 - 4/3/2009 2:21:18 PM
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The quality of German brands are gettin' better all the time and they kill the Japanese cars on styling.


inspirion7inspirion7 - 4/3/2009 2:27:47 PM
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So you are saying that the German quality has been lacking? That totally runs counter to what most here are saying. So would that be one of the reasons for the sales boom? You tell me...


answeranswer - 4/3/2009 2:26:45 PM
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This website is at its best when it focuses on providing new/sneak peek info. on cars.

And it's at its worst when it tries to dabble in business/marketing data and commentary.


inspirion7inspirion7 - 4/3/2009 2:34:57 PM
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You can flood the market with lease (BMW, MB) vehicles, but like GM, you run a risk of having too many vehicles out on lease returns, then selling them at whatever to get the load off on the books. This devalues the vehicles . A short term remedy that can impact the brand long term. it doesn't make sense down the line just to say at this point in time we are beating the competition. Big deal. Long term viability is better that short sighted gratification any day.


montyz81montyz81 - 4/3/2009 2:35:36 PM
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It is as easy as this. BMW, Merc and the like are usually shopped by people who can actually afford those cars. Lexus, Infiniti and Acura are shopped by people who can almost afford those cars. When the money dried up they went from almost to not at all. Most of those people are people moving from Toyota, Honda and Nissan to their Luxury brand equivilents. They are now either holding off or buying the mainstream brand. For the European shoppers, they still have money and can spend it on the cars. They will be just fine when the economy turns around


800over800over - 4/6/2009 12:18:51 PM
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People buy as much car as they can afford, regardless of brand. People who buy a Civic spend as much as they can. People who buy a BMW spend as much as they can. There's no difference between BMW and Lexus in that respect. To think that people who buy Infinity overextend themselves any more or less than BWM is rediculous (and without fact)


montyz81montyz81 - 4/6/2009 4:49:41 PM
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Your comments loose merit mostly because you don't know how to spell the name of the brand...It's Infiniti!


inspirion7inspirion7 - 4/3/2009 2:37:38 PM
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By the way, the brand the girl in the picture is drinking is Hater-aid. It's popular on this site.


Agent009Agent009 - 4/3/2009 2:48:37 PM
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Or she is totally bored with the cars she is seeing.


answeranswer - 4/3/2009 4:29:23 PM
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009, please never again wonder why readers find you to be biased.




222max222max - 4/3/2009 2:47:05 PM
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It's all about specific product. And as much as people in this little community are so fiercely protective and pro certain car makes or their countries of origin the general public is not so narrowly biased. To them it's all about what products are fresh and relevant at whatever time they go shopping for a car.

And there's more spin on the above "facts' in the article than a mery-go-round.


abcdabcd - 4/3/2009 2:50:37 PM
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Why is there always Japanese luxury brands versus German? Where's Jaguar?


SHOWTIMESHOWTIME - 4/3/2009 4:19:37 PM
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lol or it's a human standing with one foot on the grave and the other on a banana peal.

I want to like Jaguar...but there's just not much going for them right now.


abcdabcd - 4/3/2009 5:28:33 PM
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Jaguar is making good cars:

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=126107

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/112_0807_luxury_sport_sedan_comparison/2009_jaguar_xf_supercharged.html

http://www.caranddriver.com/buying_guide/jaguar/xf/2009_jaguar_xf/2009_jaguar_xf_10best_cars

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison_test/convertibles/2006_bmw_650i_vs_2006_cadillac_xlr_v_2007_jaguar_xk_2007_m_b_sl550_2006_porsche_911_carrera_comparison_test/2007_jaguar_xk_comparison_test

And what about Land Rover:
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/suvs/112_0708_midsize_luxury_crossover_comparison/results_future_models.html


david999david999 - 4/3/2009 6:48:52 PM
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Don't get sucked-in by david969.


dbsvolantedbsvolante - 4/5/2009 4:43:22 AM
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I agree, Jaguar are back on top form in the last few years, the XF & XK are kicking all the German brands arses!!!


dbsvolantedbsvolante - 4/5/2009 4:48:58 AM
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david969, you seem to be visually impaired???

Jaguar = Number in the latest '2009 J.D POWER SURVEY,' everyone i know who owns a Jag is raving about how good they are, the XF & XK are some of the sexiest cars out there!!!


monkeyrunmonkeyrun - 4/3/2009 3:19:31 PM
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Other than infiniti, the other 2 seems to be doing decently.

Infiniti has always been the car for college kids with rich parents.


veyron1001veyron1001 - 4/3/2009 3:26:17 PM
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Also the trend of owning a wanna be muscle car is fading as well. The thing is that you dont need to read anything. Go to one of the few dealerships that are left and see the failing 3 cars in person. They reek of poor craftsmanship and cost cutting.


inspirion7inspirion7 - 4/5/2009 3:53:51 PM
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UAW, we agree for the most part, but one thing you can not take away from the Japanese is how they have gotten everyone's ass up on notice especially the Euros when it comes to quality. Consistantly, we have seen the Japanese pull it out, and almost 3 decades ago, they had the vision to know this would be a deciding factor where others were riding on the brand names. Where the Japanese have fallen down on is style. Now that being said, as we have seen in Jaguar, quality has gone up and others have followed again thanks to the Japanese. I think the recession has shaken thinks up, and we will see how the future will unfold for everyone.


r_driver04r_driver04 - 4/6/2009 12:29:30 PM
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That's simply not true. Sure there alot of good quality vehicles out there. But put 50k or 100k miles one them, the true colors always show themselves.

I'm a firm believer that the Japanese make reliable cars because they don't push the performance envelope enough. The Germans make fantastic cars that perform heroic feats only to trip a "service" light after every lap around the track. And I don't even know where to put the domestics, Ford is the only one that's got it's head on semi-straight.


GermanNutGermanNut - 4/3/2009 3:27:37 PM
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Look at Audi filling every single niche as fast as possible. They now have two SUVs (Q7 and Q5) a third one (Q3) on the way and they are getting into the CLS category with the A7. Not to mention the R4, if it is indeed true.

Looking at Audi's much larger net profit in 2008 compared to BMW, much larger profit margin per car compared to BMW in 2008, 4% sales increase globally compared to BMW's 5% global sales decrease for 2008, lower percentage declines both in the United States and globally through the first quarter of 2009, and a rapid model expansion which includes highly-affordable cars such as the Q5, and A4 it looks like Audi will continue its strong momentum for a lot longer than either BMW or Mercedes.


JordanskiJordanski - 4/4/2009 12:28:33 AM
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GTFO of here you nutcase.


AnthonyAnthony - 4/3/2009 6:25:18 PM
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These types of articles are a waste of time for so many reasons. The biggest one as of now is the state that the global economy is in. A luxury car is the last thing on the minds of millions worldwide, including many of the usual luxury buyers.

The trends of the sales from the 1st quarter seem to follow what they always follow, don't they? BMW, Lexus and Mercedes on top followed by Infiniti with Audi and Acura in the bottom. In other words, business as usual, with all of them netting an average decline in the 30% range.


david999david999 - 4/3/2009 6:46:31 PM
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BMW and Mercedes have huge incentives on their vehicles right now. Over $5000 for Bimmer and over $4000 for Merc.
For those that don't understand ecomomics, in a bad economy many wealthy consumers trade down. In January and February, according to Edmunds.com, Toyota was the top brand traded into by owners of Mercedes-Benz, BMW, and Lexus vehicles. Sales of the 3 major luxury brands in North America are all relatively close as Anthony points out above..


david999david999 - 4/3/2009 6:51:29 PM
+3 Boost

I am sure that regular readers of autospies know that you are a jackoff david969.


enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 4/7/2009 5:15:12 PM
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oh david, always clueless. but let's go with your logic....

if mercedes takes $5,000 off of an S-class, it's still selling for $25,000 more than the LIST price of an LS. why is that? i sincerely want to hear your explanation of why mercedes commands such a HUGE premium.

and you're kidding yourself if you think lexus isn't cutting deals right now.


mme1979mme1979 - 4/3/2009 7:08:27 PM
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I think the reason bmw doing so well is they have couple new models came up this year like X6,redesigned 3 series.that help the sales of bmw.Infiniti did well january i think because of new fx but later went down.infini needs new flagship.M series not cutting it anymore


enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 4/7/2009 5:23:29 PM
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clueless huu:

lexus is a tiny player globally. bmw sells over 100,000 cars PER MONTH. and BMW and porsche are the most profitable per car. where does lexus rank in profit PER CAR?

oh...and 75% of lexus cars (ES, IS and RX) are priced in the $30-40k range. and despite that value pricing, they're down significantly more than bmw, mercedes and audi. do explain.

while we're at it....how come bmw and mercedes are able to command such a large premium over comparable lexus models?


doctorproctordoctorproctor - 4/3/2009 8:15:05 PM
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'Luxury cars'...their all overpriced as it is regardless of brand......perhaps people are waking up to that fact?


JordanskiJordanski - 4/3/2009 10:44:55 PM
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"Are American Buyers Losing Their Taste For Japanese Luxury Brands?"
I love how 009 put a plural on 'Japanese Luxury Brand'. Last time I checked, there's only ONE Japanese Luxury marque... and it's Lexus.

...and for all you losers out there who don't agree, ACURA & INFINITI CAN SMD.


AudiphileAudiphile - 4/3/2009 10:48:16 PM
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It could be that buyers of Japanese luxury cars tend to be less affluent than buyers of German luxury cars, thus they are harder hit by this recession.

Call it snobbery or not, "made in Germany" has a little more prestige than "made in Japan", which would appeal to some affluent buyers. And frankly, the Infiniti and Acura marques have less cachet than Lexus, and thus are even further behind the three German marques.

As Agent009 stated, the yen is a lot more expensive than it was 20-25 years ago when Acura, Infiniti and Lexus made their initial assault on the American market, so their price advantage is not as strong as it used to be.

Then there is the "character" or "personaltiy" of the cars to be considered. Japanese luxury cars are well-made and reliable, but taken as a whole they are a little less stylish or exciting than their German competitors. In other words, they are a little more bland or dull compared to the Germans.

Finally, the Japanese are partially a victim of their own success. For instance, there are so many Lexuses out there that the "uniqueness" of owning a Lexus is diminished. BMW and Mercedes also suffer from this problem but, due to their lower sales figures, are not as badly affected as Lexus. Audi, with its lower current market share, can claim to be the current "flavor du jour", but might suffer a similar fate as the more ubiquitous Lexus, BMW and Mercedes-Benz marques if its market share increases too much.


LDMANLDMAN - 4/4/2009 12:41:29 PM
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You are of course talking about Oysters or Sushi?


RobotoRoboto - 4/4/2009 2:01:10 PM
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this whole subject makes no sense...the real question is why are americans losing their taste for the overpriced overhyped german cars aka douchemobiles...


RobotoRoboto - 4/4/2009 4:29:57 PM
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if americans were smart they wouldnt buy douche mobiles like Benz,BMW,Audi,etc...
this is a reply to the skinnyanimal in pants


AudiphileAudiphile - 4/6/2009 3:50:07 PM
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huu76,

You're getting close, but no cigar. What I meant by "character" or "personality" is something that makes a car stand out from the crowd, makes it unique. Styling, design, ergonomics - stuff like that. Once could argue that a Bang & Olufsen receiver and a Pioneer receiver are both receivers, but the B&O is different - it has "character" or "personallity". The difference is not quantifiable, but it does exist.


enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 4/7/2009 5:28:15 PM
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and BMW is still whooping ass in profit per car. you can quote all the newspaper ad financing deals you want huu, PROFIT PER CAR is what matters. (and that, of course, is a function of brand being able to command a large premium over competitive products).


LauderdaleDriverLauderdaleDriver - 4/4/2009 8:46:57 PM
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Going forward, I think ALL of the "luxury brands" have problems ahead. The recovery from this "recession depression" is going to be long and hard.
Much of the explosion in luxury car sales was based on home equity loans on exploding home values, the rest on artificially cheap money leading to artificially cheap lease rates.
As leasing is dying, and real estate dead in the water for the foreseeable future, there's less money chasing these cars, and probably many people who actually have money are less willing to spend it, too.
It could be that BMW/Porsche buyers are more committed to their brands, but I suspect that in the long run, the luxury car will return to being what it is: a luxury.


XYZZXYZZ - 4/8/2009 2:45:29 AM
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"When they used to be what they used to be America was untouchable as the world's biggest economy, exporter, creditor nation, innovator, Nobel Science prize winner etc. etc. etc."


so explain please, just how come TODAY a disproportionate number of grad students AND working scientists in the u.s. are of asian origin, and mostly chinese?

and explain too, how come now china and japan are the largest CREDITOR nations?

(and don't try the line about the blacks and latinos "dragging down the
average" for the rest of america!)


r_driver04r_driver04 - 4/6/2009 12:32:09 PM
+2 Boost
Wow, he's just a little of topic. Got sum pent up aggression buddy?


agent507agent507 - 4/6/2009 2:52:14 AM
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huu76 is just upset, because his girlfriend left him in college for a guy who was driving a BMW. Since then it is his mission to tell the world how bad the quality, reliabilty, lease deals, big incentives, bla bla bla is. Poor guy. Get a live and give credit where credit is due.

And huu76, don´t look on the April 09 Numbers for BMW, as the new 7 series is available since March 09 here in the US, and my guess is that the April numbers between BMW and Lexus will differ even more in the favor of BMW. But that does not mean that you have to be cross with them. Competition is good for the customer, and thus for all of us.

My 2 cents for this article are that I am in my 6th BMW now (730d, F01), and I will continue to buy from them. Maybe that is what is happening, some customers are more loyal than others.


pennfootballpennfootball - 4/6/2009 10:09:39 AM
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The problem is long term reliability and the Germans can't match the Japanese in terms of long term quality. The German electronics are also a joke compared to the Japanese. The Germans are more trendy and the people that lease them, which are the majority of BMW owners don't care because they have the maintenance plan paying for everything during the lease. Just gas and go for 4 years 50,000 miles. The problem is if you are a sucker that bought the BMW hell hat no mercy on you when that warranty runs out and the car self destructs. I know I am a previous BMW sucker!! So if the Japanese had the maintenance plan and stopped marking their cars up so much they could compete, but they won't because they are acting like older Germans and not changing their products to the needs/wants/desires of the customer that hates paying 500 bucks for an oil change on their lease.


XYZZXYZZ - 4/8/2009 2:55:16 AM
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JDP is the ultimate whore of suppossed "studies." They SELL the results; that's how they make their money.

and they INVENT categories so mfgrs that have NOTHING to brag about can have something that jdp 'says' they're good at.

does ANY jpd 'long term study' go beyond 12 months?

CR gives you records out to 8 and even 10 YEARS. but it only takes TWO years before you see toyota/lexus and honda/acura peel away from the pack. at 5 years, they still have less problems per 100 vehicles than ANYONE ELSE has at a mere three years of age.


AudiA6DrvrAudiA6Drvr - 4/6/2009 3:09:10 PM
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david969- you're an idiot. How many early 80's BMWs and Mercedes do you still see around today compared to Japanese rice cookers? I'll answer that for you, alot more. Why? I'll also answer that for you, because they are dependable, reliable, and get great gas mileage, oh and i should also mention that they were some of the best designed cars of the manufacture's history. I'll say this once and for all, so you better listen carefully...Europeans build better cars than the Japanese. <--(That's a period!)


lexworldlexworld - 4/6/2009 11:09:22 PM
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Some times I really wonder if some of you guys are flat out racist! Copy cats or not the Japanese are a very gifted race of people both electronically and mechanically. I highly applaud them for their excellence in automotive engineering and no I don't think Americans are losing their taste for Japanese Luxury Brands, in fact I think Lexus will began to increase and boost their image with more high performance products. I'm 100% sure Lexus is watching and strategically planning to gain market share over the next decade. I think in the end it will still be, as far as sales are concerned, Lexus,BMW,Merc and the wild card will be Hyundai which may catch Toyota in sales but not in image,quality and refinement. Say what you may..it's a calculated prediction.


thstonethstone - 4/7/2009 2:12:45 PM
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The Japanese proposition of 85% of the performance and snob appeal of the Germans at 80% of the price has proven to be a winning proposition. In fact, they have almost defined a new segment unto themselves (affordable luxury). However, this also means that the typical Japanese affordable luxury buyer will have less staying power in a down economy.


XYZZXYZZ - 4/8/2009 3:16:46 AM
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ok, these are the PRIMARY reasons the sales of german lux cars have not dropped as much (there may be more):

1) the higher incentives offered by the germans to boost sales.

2) greater numbers of regular euro customers are on the lease TREADMILL. they are practically a CAPTIVE MARKET as they just get another car at the same dealer when their leases expire.

3) german buyers are also on the WARRANTY TREADMILL. due to the exceptional and frequent high costs once the warranties expire, they feel more secure when they get a new car and new warranty.

4) owners of asian cars simply DON'T WORRY about keeping their cars longer. warranty, schwarranty. their cars just about NEVER BREAK. so in tough economic times, they simply HANG ON to their super reliable vehicles longer.

5) when said owners DO get problems, they tend to be mostly JUST with the audio system. german car owners get those problems too, PLUS problems with power eqpt., body hardware, climate system, BRAKES, trannies, and even minor ENGINE problems.

bottom line: in tuff times, a lexus owner can hang on to his car LONG after the warranty expires. but the "loyal" benz or bmw owner risks big bills if he keeps his car once the warranty expires. HENCE, higher TURNOVER of vehicles at euro dealerships.




XYZZXYZZ - 4/8/2009 3:24:35 AM
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being fully aware of these factors, lexus dealers simply DO NOT have to offer special interest rates and other incentives. they KNOW the quality of their cars sell themselves, and they do not HAVE to shave their profit margins to maintain traffic thru the showrooms.


BarackBushBarackBush - 4/9/2009 12:45:51 AM
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The problem is there is a Big German 3 and there is only 1 true luxury brand from Japan, Lexus. The other 2 are niche players with very very small lineups.

No, people still want their Japanese luxury cars.


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