2010 Nissan GT-R sets a new record at Nurburgring

Porsche will say, it is imposible...snd most of people will start to praise the GTR.

But the haters will continue to be skeptical and try to poke holes in the...can you name a few here?

Praise the GT-R all you want because I am. But don't even start with a Porsche vs Nissan flame war because it's going to go no where. Nissan is an economy brand, Porsche isn't so in anything other than performance, nothing can be compared.

Most Nissan GT-R owners are Porsche 911 Turbo owners as well and love both so only the fanboys are hating. Learn to love cars, I don't see how you can hate the German firm when their engine is in the back and still manage to do such crazy times on the track as well as straight line performance. Porsche is clearly capable of making a full fledged super car like a CGT.

GO GT-R! awesome figures.

Really, record for most hyped car that is not really that fast or reliable.

HAHAHAHAHA, massive slap upside rockers head. So true, oh so true.

— Whatthe:

| Still slower then the ZR-1

ZR-1, with all its imposing performance, does not work in the rain (no AWD) or snow or in any road conditions other than perfectly dry hot tarmac. And it cannot carry your children.


| Are you talking about the exploding tranny in the gt-r? Or the race
| slicks and setup need to go fast?

"In our view," says Scott Vazin, Nissan North America's chief of product public relations, during a conference call with Inside Line, "this has been blown way out of proportion."

According to Nissan, "less than 1 percent" of the transaxles in the GT-Rs delivered to customers in the United States have failed in some way. With somewhere between 1,750 and 1,800 GT-Rs in the garages of American enthusiasts, this puts the number of transaxle failures experienced in this country at somewhere between 16 and 19 cars. This is not an insignificant number of GT-Rs, but it's short of an epidemic of transaxle failures.

Regardless, Nissan has already instituted a running software change to the onboard computers of any still unsold 2009 Nissan GT-Rs.

Source: http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=140966


2009 Nissan GT-R: Reprogrammed, Our GT-R Gets Quicker

Bottom line, the GT-R with the revised software will be quicker with the VDC on, but not as quick as it was before with the VDC turned off. Only a trip to the track will reveal exactly how performance will be affected.

This is what we wrote a couple of weeks ago in our investigative piece Nissan Reprograms the GT-R. This reporting was based on interviews with many members of the GT-R team at Nissan's headquarters in Nashville, TN. It was also wrong. Turns out the GT-R gets quicker with the VDC on and off.

Source: http://blogs.edmunds.com/roadtests/2009/02/2009-nissan-gt-r-reprogrammed-our-gt-r-gets-quicker.html

Amen brother...

— Whatthe

| 1)What Moron drives any "supercar" in the snow?

You don't drive supercars in the snow. But you do drive EVERYDAY supercars (like GT-R, 911 Turbo, R8) then. That's what they were built for. To be in service regardless of conditions.

| 2) So said Nissan.

Quote more accurate sources then. All what you've done by now is keeping "blowing things out of proportion" again and again, with no data to support the claims obviously.


| 3)Doesn't change the fact they have been back over and
| over with different cars with different tires and
| different setups trying to go fast. No one can reproduce
| their claimed times.

Who? Automotive journalist who don't understand torque? Porsche engineers doing black PR for the Nissan?

How many professional drivers lapped the Ring in a GT-R in a documented coverage?

"Independent testing has provided times of around 7:50 - 7:55 for the Nissan GT-R and 7:49 for the Porsche GT2[38][39] on the Nürburgring, though both tests were conducted with the track partially damp and with the use of automotive journalists as opposed to professional drivers.[39]"

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_GT-R


| 4) Chevy spent a few days with the Kentucky test driver

Stop implying the driver didn't know the track. It's lame.

| lapping on stock tires and stock suspension and easily
| lapped quicker.

How can you know he managed it EASILY?


| As to rain and your children, who cares.

I do.


| The Vette is a drivers car, the gt-r is nanny mobile, for
| those who want the car to do all the work. Just a hint,
| save your money, get a PS3 and GT5 if that's what you
| like.

Why are you commenting on AutoSpies if you're so much against technology? Why don't you just stick to a typewriter in a barn?

Will you name Porsche 911 Turbo an overkill in terms of technology employed?

Please respond with just with one word: YES or NO.

still cheaper than the zr1 and has back seats

Thank you, whatthe, for proving me you're just a pro-German fanboy lamer.

Why?

Because, what you obviously don't know since you're a fake car enthusiast, Porsche 911 Turbo is just as computerized as the GT-R.

1. 911 Turbo has a electronically managed and hydraulically actuated clutch-based all wheel drive, just like the GT-R.

2. 911 Turbo also has a twin turbocharged 6 cylinder engine, just like the GT-R. In fact Porsche employs even more technology in it due to variable vane turbines.

3. 911 Turbo also has an electronically controlled active suspension with regulated damping force, called PASM, just like the GT-R.

4. 911 Turbo also has an automatic gearbox (the Tiptronic S) just like the GT-R.

5. 911 Turbo also has a precise electronic stability control allowing driving at the limit, called PSM, just like the GT-R.

6. 911 Turbo also comes with launch control and adjustable subsystems just like the GT-R.

The only thing that makes gormless individuals think GT-R is computerized and 911 Turbo isn's are those fancy gauges displayed using Playstation graphics.


Yet despite all of that, you call the GT-R a technological overkill while you don't name the 911 Turbo like this.

Thank you for attention.

This debate is comical. First off, the GT R has incredible technology, but bottom line is the ZR 1 is faster. The GT R has four seats, but the ZR 1 is faster. As impressive as the GT R is and it is very impressive, the ZR 1 is faster. Not just in a straightline but also around the track. Whether its tough or easy to drive, good feel or bad feel, to much or just the right technology, the ZR 1 is faster period.

And if you're trying to justify a heavier and less reliable awd setup over rwd setup on the track well that's just foolish. Everyone knows in racing awd is a gas guzzler, it tends to breakdown more, it adds weight which will wear tires out faster. Btw, kids?! Please! If you cared about your kids you wouldn't put them in a high performance uncomfortable vehicle in the first place driving around like a weekend track warrior.

Funny, the GTR needed a second run and to be re-enginnered. Also Nissan used an actual racecar driver whereas GM used a friggin engineer to run their RECORD SETTING lap. Imagine if they used someone like Ron Fellows. Also by the looks of the auctions on EBAY, most GTR owners have their cars up for bid. Hmmmmm...... wonder why?

And WOW, 4 SEATS. Anyone mentioning that is has 4 seats is grasping for straws and knows it is an inferior high performance Machine. OR just an idiot.

— golfer38

| the ZR 1 is faster period.

It is. With so much of brutal power, it's actually faster than virtually anything else.


| And if you're trying to justify a heavier and less reliable awd setup
| over rwd setup on the track well that's just foolish. Everyone knows
| in racing awd is a gas guzzler, it tends to breakdown more, it adds
| weight which will wear tires out faster.

All what's above is true.

But the GT-R is not a track car. It's an everyday supercar with 2+2 seats and a big boot than can put up a very effective fight on a track with most expensive top exotics.

And since it has to work in any other situation as well, it just needs an all wheel drive. With so much power from a forced induction engine it is technically a must to ensure efficient control in as many conditions as possible.


| Btw, kids?! Please! If you cared about your kids you wouldn't put them
| in a high performance uncomfortable vehicle in the first place

Why? When driven carefully, such machine becomes extremely safe children carrier due to its limits of grip and braking/acceleration performance to assert safety in virtually any condition. For the price of comfort though.

Porsche will disagree. The only way a factory spec GT-R can even remotely register those times is by running on racing tires, not street ones. I like the GT-R, but this is just blatant false advertising. The best GT-R Nurburgring time is closer to 7:50-7:54 mark.

http://www.automobilemag.com/features/great_drives/0903_2009_nissan_gtr_vs_2009_porsche_911_gt2_nurburgring/index.html

This was actually done with a series II GTR with the rays wheel upgrade wrapped in Dunlop rubber, not a Spec V. Also... press was there witnessing it done as well as a Porsche rep so nobody will be calling BS on this one. We'll all still have to wait for the Spec V times. Apparently they are running it soon.

— weaponX:

| I like the GT-R, but this is just blatant false advertising.

Sorry, but it is your comment that is just blatant, false advertising. And here is why.


| The best GT-R Nurburgring time is closer to 7:50-7:54 mark.

Source?


| http://www.automobilemag.com/features/great_drives/0903_2009_nissan_gtr_vs_2009_porsche_911_gt2_nurburgring/index.html

Oh, here is one. Let's read though it and see what you failed to quote.

"[...] I haven't won a World Rally Championship, we don't expect to match the manufacturers' claims, but we should get a very good idea of which car is faster. [...]"

So the author clearly states he cannot achieve limits of those cars and that this is not the point of the comparison. Yet you quote GT-R laptimes as if it was the car's limit, maximum what can be achieved.


"[...] caused one of the most interesting car debates of our time, namely - is the new $77,840 GT-R really faster around the Nürburgring than the $194,950 pinnacle of Porsche's sports car lineup?"

Oh, so they're comparing the 80k GT-R with the 200k Porsche? A bit lame, isn't it? GT-R knife gutted ordinary Carrera and 911 Turbo quickly shared its fate. So they desperately picked the 2,5x more pricey racer with standard carbon ceramic brakes, no back seats, no boot and optional roll cage.

Well.. thank you, dear journalists for acknowledging GT-R superiority over Porsche by pairing it with such powerful opponent.

Wow sausage, you must’ve failed grade 6 reading comprehension.

The very simple point that Porsche is trying to make on that Automobile mag story is that you can’t possibly achieve those times with a factory spec car, regardless of what superhuman driving skills you have.

Even if you take a steroid-enhanced, superhuman Nissan driver and ask him to drive both cars, he will always register the better time on the Porsche. No human living on this planet can devise a black art driving technique that’s gonna erase 25 seconds off a lap time.

weaponX:
"Porsche will disagree. The only way a factory spec GT-R can even remotely register those times is by running on racing tires, not street ones. I like the GT-R, but this is just blatant false advertising. The best GT-R Nurburgring time is closer to 7:50-7:54 mark.

http://www.automobilemag.com/features/great_drives/0903_2009_nissan_gtr_vs_2009_porsche_911_gt2_nurburgring/index.html"

In your link Nissan GT-R and Porsche 911 GT2 are BOTH 17 sec slower than times claimed by BOTH automakers:

Porsche 911 GT2 claimed time: 7:32

http://www.autospies.com/news/Video-Porsche-911-GT2-s-7-32-run-at-the-Nurburgring-21040/

Nissan GT-R claimed time on Bridgestones like in the comparison test: 7:38

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzBcZFWAi6Q

So I think you should also say that Porsche claims are also blatant, false advertising.

I agree with you. Nissan has been pulling this B.S ever since this POS was released.

As I predicted, the haters are back out and trying to poke holes. Roundy & Turbo, don't be so bitter, it makes you look even worse than you already do.

Here we go again...

Yea this is never gonna end until somebody admits defeat or Top Gear publishes their own test results with the stig.

HA HA HA SLAP!! And down she goes!!!

If this were a non-Asian car would there be nearly as much bitching and conspiracy talk?

I think everyone here knows the answer to that question.

Why are the euro-only-fanboy guys so unwilling to let an Asian brand get any credit for anything?

That's the question I'd like answered.

Answer, you hit the nail on the head.

More race baiting by answer and 43...despicable.

The Nissan GTR is the worlds ugliest new car on the road today.

flamewar! *dawns flame suit* GT-R is fast, ZR1 is still faster, and if Porsche can't beat the ZR1 with all of their "experience" and awd... America wins! :P

Amazing how this thread is all about hate and pointless fights.

I've always said that Autospies is a microcosm of society in general.

This is autospies.com

It is interesting how answer constantly derides the other users of this site while at the very same is partaking race baiting. Handle your own business first answer.

Good job Nissan. The GT-R is one amazing car. Glad to see it still sits atop all other comptetion. Keep up the good work!

Yes but that's what the GTR has been about from the beginning.How else is Nissan going to sell it other then saying it's faster around the ring then Porsche.Unfortunately super cars have to brag about numbers in order to justify their existence in the 1st place.I mean your not going to just say it's "faster then hell".The automotive culture has been brought up on facts and figures.So as long as car companies keep bragging about facts and figures people are going to disagree and hate and pointless fights will continue to exist.The thing is these cars have more dimensions then just how fast they will go.How about how they drive or how the engine feels or the quality of the interior or how the steering feels.Otherwise if you only judged the value of an F430 over a 911 GT3 based purely on it's 0-60 times how could you justify it's cost difference over the Porsche for example(over 100 grand).A GTR is a great engineering effort and it is quick around the ring. That does not mean it's a better sports car then the Porsche.

pretty sad day! If you are a german fanboy!!!!!!!!!

i'm a german car fan and i will be quick to congratulate nissan again. i don't see why every german car fan has to hate this car, it is an amazing machine.

has their last record time ever been archieved by an independent source?

proven time is 7:50 until someone who doesn't get paid by nissan says sth different

Well done Nissan! I can't wait for the Spec V times.

Yesterday I drove from Irvine in OC to Long Beach to one of my real estate listings and along the way I saw 2 Ferraris and 6 Porsches, 4 Corvettes and 1 red GTR.

As usual the idjit driving the Nissan was an a-hold dodging in and out of traffic.

Yesterday I drove to Taco Bell and got the triple layer nachos and a large Dr. Pepper.

But not unexpected.

+1 answer, StarSearch, _43LE

By the way, yesterday I was driving my one and a half Veyron and...

StarSearch-

The house I was representing the buyers for closed and recorded yesterday tax day and I get a check tomorrow for $9,000 bucks.

:-D

And here on the internet I am a billionaire and don't even need to work...

To all the Haters that despise the GT-R...good riddance to you all. I think that Nissan made a remarkable car that can still kick Porches ass. Get over yourselves.

Its fast, no one doubts that (I hope). And no one should have doubted Nissan's ability to create a highly competitive sports car either.

However, the GTR is never going to get the respect that some think it deserves. And definitely not on this board. And this is correct in my opinion. Why?

Because one good car (even as good as the GTR) does not a make Nissan a world class sports car manufacturer. Right now they are nothing more than a one trick pony. Anyone remember Acura and the NSX? Acura was said to have created a Ferrari killer. In hindsight, maybe not.

So, call me in 10 years (or 20 or 30) and then let's see where Nissan stands against the competition. Then, and only then, can anyone talk about "world class" status because that is how high the bar has been set. its an exclusive club and one good or even great model is not enough to get in. I am certain that Porsche will still be there building top of the class sports cars in 2030. Will Nissan?

For those of us with a different perspective and further knowledge, the GT-R has had 5 previous iterations before this latest version. It all started way back in 1969. In fact, the R33 of the mid 90s was the first production car to lap the ring in under 8 minutes. So, in fact, Nissan does have a history of producing world class sports cars. Ever heard of the Z?

People around the world have respected the GTR for quite some time, it's just that people here for one reason or another (i.e. hate) choose not to.

FYI, at the time the NSX was a Ferrari Killer. Unfortunately, they did nothing to support their efforts after wards.

Interesting when the ZR1 posted a time with only a video, everyone accepted it. When Nissan posted the time all the haters were @*(&^$&@^$%@( and there were a lot of skeptics as well. Nissan has been in countless magazine tests all over the world where it beats the porsche and in the US tests is close to the ZR1 and destroys the Z06 but people seem to not understand

no one denies that the gt-r easily outperforms a turbo and a z06, but that wasn't the point.

there were quiet more than a handfull of journalists and professional racing drivers that were not even able to scratch the 7:30 barrier, which is supspicious.

it doesn't make sense to call, someone who mentions that, a fanboy. ignoring this fact rather makes the nissan lovers look like fanboys

The sad story is a few years back nobody would credit Nissan to compete with the Porsche 911 yet alone the Corvette Z06. Now that those cars are in the GTR's rear view you raise the Bar with the ZR1. We must not forget that the GTR is the base level for Nissan's ultimate supremacy in the super car world.....Wait til the V spec, better interior and better ride in the M spec, and then last but not least the V spec LeMans to hit showrooms near you.

reading this forum is like watching cat fights. take it easy girls!

LMAO @ Porsche again n again

I'd say that 95% of the German fanboys on here drive Wabbits, left over Sciroccos, GTIs, Yettas, and those supergirly "New" Beetles. Not only they cannot afford a Porsche which they lust after, they cannot afford a "lowly" Nissan GT-R. LOL!