Audi releases A4 2.0 TDI e: the Most Efficient Standard-Size Sedan

Hmmmm...penalty box on wheels versus A4...same fuel economy...not a tough decision. Yup, that *is* progress. Of course, not exactly the parameters that politically correct poseurs are looking for, now is it?

— david969

| It gets literally the same fuel economy

It gets much worse fuel economy. In the European ECE certification test Audi returned 4,6 l/100km (51,3 US MPG). Toyota Prius III returned 3,3 l/100km (71,2 US MPG) [1].

Meanwhile, the real comparative efficiency figures of hydrocarbon consumption are 89 g CO2/km for the Toyota Prius III and 119 g CO2/km for the Audi A4 2.0 TDI e, 33,7% worse.


| but with more pollution.

That's true. Out of 860+ European cars tested by ADAC for pollution, diesels mostly covered 400 last places. Toyota Prius II topped the rating.

http://adac-ecotest.awardspace.biz/


[1] http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/fahrberichte/toyota-prius-im-fahrbericht-so-faehrt-die-neuauflage-des-hybrid-pioniers-1201221.html

I would understand your comments if the two cars were in the same class size wise. I might understand if you compared the Audi to say a camry hybrid but a prius? What is the tank size of a prius? Can it drive/last as far as diesel without refeuling? The most I've heard of a prius is around 450 miles on a tank, but I routinely hear of diesels getting over 600 miles to a tank.

— bintintin:

| I would understand your comments if the two cars were in the same
| class size wise. I might understand if you compared the Audi to say a
| camry hybrid but a prius?

1. I was responsing to david969 misleading comment about "the same fuel consumption". Results are from different driving tests and are for different fuel types - absolutely incomparable.

2. Prius comparability to A4? Well, it is not that far away. Key factor determining interior volume, the wheelbase, is as follows:

Audi A4 B7: 2,648 mm
Toyota Prius II: 2,700 mm
Toyota Prius III: 2,700 mm
Audi A4 B8: 2,808 mm

However, basically Audi A4 is an ordinary midsize car while Prius is at the lower end of this class.

3. According to AutoSpies Prius Hating Code, Prius is comparable with everything smaller, like citicars VW Polo or Mini, mopeds, bicycles, wheelbarrows.

http://www.autospies.com/news/Forget-the-Prius-MINI-Cooper-D-to-get-72-4-mpg-15567/
http://www.autospies.com/news/New-Diesel-Volkswagen-Polo-cleaner-than-a-Toyota-Prius-11000/

Following this rule, everything larger than Prius is also comparable with it.Following this rule, everything larger than Prius is also comparable with it.

4. Have you seen the calculations? You save 4057 gallons of crude oil and emit 51 TONNES CO2 less when driving a Prius instead of a comparable diesel car
http://autospies.com/news/New-Prius-To-Top-Out-At-32-000-More-Than-A-Base-Lexus-IS-43284/



| Can it drive/last as far as diesel without refeuling? The most I've
| heard of a prius is around 450 miles on a tank

Considering drivers get a tad more than EPA rating, 500 miles on a tank of gas is absolutely possible without any effort.

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/Feg/noframes/24882.shtml
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/mpg/MPG.do?action=browseList2&make=Toyota&model=Prius

| but I routinely hear of diesels getting over 600 miles to a tank.

You have to drive on highways only. You'll get 500 miles on single tank in a Prius regardless of where you drive, city or highway.

Tell me that David969 isn't correct about the acceleration part?

"the compact sized Prius was rated #1 with an overall score of 89 but the *large* Volvo V70 Bi-Fuel CNG finished just behind the Prius"

That's becouse it runs on methane which has 4 atoms of hydrogen per 1 atom of carbon, benzin has ratio close to 2:1 which very shortly means less H2O and more CO2 for benzin car than for methane car.
But instalation to run car on methane cost quite a lot, at least in my country.

It cost decisively to much to make it a bestseller, and becouse taxes are lower for diesel fuel in Europe it's not cost effecient to drive a Prius compared to clattering TDI, ufortunately I have to be poisoned by diesel exhausts.

"Penalty Box on Wheels" thats a good one. LOL.

Mr Bratworst and Mr. davidno69;

I am going to ask you a series of simple questions. I am expecting simple, clear accurate answers:

1 - who was the World first Luxury car manufacturer to sell a Hybrid vehicle?
2 - who was the world luxury manufacturer to mass produce and implement Turbo with Direct Injection?
3 - Are those batteries in your so loved Prius recyclable?
4 - what is the recyclable % of a Prius?
5 - What is the reusable % of a Prius?
6 - Can I have leather seats in a Lexus RXh?
7 - Can I have Xenon lights in a Prius or RXh?
8 - Can I have a white pearl paint for my RXh?
Depending on your answers to those last 3 questions, a yes or a no is all I want, I will tell you why I asked those questions.
9 - what is the main purpose and reason of acquiring a Prius?
10 - Is the prius a comparable to an Audi A4?

I will stop here for now and wait for your answers.
Good luck.

question 2 should read Turbo, direct injection and Diesel...

David, I am so glad that you just proved your ignorance;

1 - in 1996, Audi sold in Europe the Audi DUO III, based on a A4 avant, this car had a 1.9TDI engine and a hybrid plug in drivetrain. Since Audi is a luxury brand and Europe is part of the World, Audi therefore was the 1st luxury manufacturer to sell a Hybrid vehicle, and on top of it, Diesel.

2 - The first direct injection turbo diesel was the Audi 100 2.5 TDI
http://www.audiusa.com/audi/us/en2/experience/technology/Audi_TDI/Top_for_two_decades.html

3 - Putting the batteries in a storage is not recycling

4 - that sounds promising if true, but is it just the Prius? as every Audi sold today is at least 85% recyclable

5 - and 95% reusable.Which is the next European standard in 2014.

6 - Great, now does Lexus use a organic dye, like Audi does for every single model in its line up, or do they use the "earth friendly" chrome base dye?

7 - Great, now does Lexus use Mercury in their Xenon lights? as for example the Q5 has Mercury free xenon lights.

8 - This is so nice, did you know that it is not possible to do a white pearl paint without using an oil base paint? That is why Audi uses only water base paint.

9 - So if I can have any Toyota/lexus Hybrid with chrome dye leather, mercury filled xenon lights and a oil base paint, do I really help the environment? Did you know that based on fuel consumption alone, it will take 7 years for a Lexus RX400h owner to get his money back, or pay the difference between a RX350 and a 400h base MSRP?

1- - you are missing the point here young man, speed is far of being the main concern when you want to be efficient and be less dependent on fossil fuel. Speed, as power are the enemy. And isn't the Prius getting the 0-60 in 10.9 sec.? http://www.greencarsite.co.uk/GREENCARS/Toyota-Prius-Hybrid.htm
That would be more than one second slower...than the A4.

You have a lot to learn young one. ;-)

For MrBrat;
http://www.egmcartech.com/2008/03/17/audi-a4-20-tdi-906-miles-from-paris-to-madrid-on-single-tank/

1evlaudi:
"2 - The first direct injection turbo diesel was the Audi 100 2.5 TDI
http://www.audiusa.com/audi/us/en2/experience/technology/Audi_TDI/Top_for_two_decades.htm"

Nope, first direct injection turbo diesel was 1986 Fiat Croma TD-i.d. , there is advertising trick on this site when they say:"and fully electronic engine management". Fiat Croma was the first car to feature direct injection turbo diesel for which you were asking. Never believe German sly advertising.

http://books.google.com/books?id=XbQqVz0_6NIC&printsec=frontcover#PPT29,M1

"1 - in 1996, Audi sold in Europe the Audi DUO III, based on a A4 avant, this car had a 1.9TDI engine and a hybrid plug in drivetrain."

Could you give some source of information to confirm this, becouse as I know it was released in 1997 and it was more like experimental vehicle, they produced very small number of these cars, there was probably some problem which their hybrid technology since they didn't continue to develop it.

Fiat isn't lowly, Fiat also developed together with Magneti Marelli common rail technology, first in Europe (in the world Denso first developed it, but fitted to track, not to passenger car), Bosch helped them in sending it to mass production:

"In 1984, Dr. Rinolfi was nominated vice president for engine research and in 1987 transferred to series production the Croma 1.9 direct injection turbo diesel, the world’s first DI Diesel engine on a passenger car.

In 1993, under his management, Fiat Research Center and Magneti Marelli completed the development of the “Unijet” diesel fuel injection system which today, under the name of common rail, represents the state-of-the-art technology applied in almost all diesel engines. Soon after that, in 1997, Fiat in collaboration with Bosch, put into series production the Alfa Romeo 156 1.9 JTD"

http://www.autonews.com/files/07_ane_ptc/speakers.html
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TurboSpyder, so how many they produced these hybrid Audi Duos? According to wikipedia it's about 60.

Why does everyone on this site insist on measuring their "members" against everyone else's?

These 2 cars cater to different demographics.

That is true Bmw8ter, but if you have ignorants like David and minibratwurst spewing garbage just for the sake of making Lexus look good and putting down Audi, then a proper educated response such as 1evlaudi is very warranted. The problem with many of the posseurs on this site is they quote biased opinion (rather flimsy constructed arguments) as factual without any concrete research and proof. So as long as that continues you will have flame wars.

Turbospyder, what's the point of your post since, at least in my calendar, 1995 is after 1989...???