2010 Porsche GT3 laps the Nurburgring in 7m 40 seconds! Still Slower than the Nissan GT-R!

430hp and 7:40? Unbelievably great!

400 hp and still cannot get within 7:55 min? M3 is a failure.

CTS-V is 5 seconds faster then the new M3. But in the M3's defence, the CTS-V has 136 more hp and 256 more ft-lb of torque. Actually... the M3 is an amazing car. It is almost on par with the R8's lap time. :) and it even has similar power to the R8.

Don't get sucked-in by this troll david969.

Time for BMW to come up with a true sports car as they have too many sport sedans already. What can I say when BMW use a electric power steering, same as a Camry, on its only sports car, Z4?

BMW is so content with making money out of 'sport sedan', instead of pursuing real high performance. Well I guess that's what makes Porsche another class, and I hope BMW doesn't fall behind AUDI one day.

Joe_Limon:

CTS-V is the size of M5, therefore won't be as agile as M3. Besides, M5 cannot even get close to 8:10.

I agree. I can't believe there still are so many ways to vastly improve this vehicle... I mean, I would've expected them to move the engine in front of the rear axles already like the Boxter/Cayman.

The 911 still looks like a frog on wheels any way you carve it.

The F430 scuderia is five seconds slower than this GT3 with 435 bhp, yeah right. Maybe Nissan is correct, Porsche needs to take them up on that driving lessons offer. Porsche are the liars, who honestly believes this thing is faster around the ring than the Scud? Horst clocked a 7:38 in the Scud, so that shows you how pathetic Herr Rohrl really is. Perhaps, as I've always suspected, he drove the Scud with the handbrake on, much like they did when they tested the GT-R. Shameful!

By the way, Motor Trend tested this thing at 12.2 secs @ 116, so not only is it overpriced, it's a lot slower than the GT-R and scud in a straight line. 7:40, sure, I believe it. NOT.

Drive one, then you will see why its priced the way it is. It's a phenomenal car.

Jesus Christ! Walter Röhrl is pushing 62. Even for a former professional racing driver this is old and his reflexes and sharpness probably isn't what it used to be. Big friggin deal. Who cares anyway?

Attention Porsche test drivers!

report to Nissan performance driving school ASAP! and please pay attention! you're new time to beat is 7:27:56!

http://www.thetorquereport.com/2009/04/2010_nissan_gtr_sets_new_recor.html

Old news. New record 7:26.7

http://www.gtrblog.com/2009/04/24/nurburgring-2009-7267-nissan-responds-to-porsches-comments-with-action/

For longevity and reliability...I'd put my money on the Porsche any day. For sheer sexiness and driving thrill...the Porsche...hands down. For the fact that it comes with a true 6 speed manual...well the Porsche does it again.

With this argument over numbers put aside. Porsche and Ferrari are premium products. With performance aside the GTR is an awesome car to toy around but the Porsche and Ferrari is artwork.

| Porsche and Ferrari is artwork.

Ferrari - yes.

Porsche - no.

Key car Porsche currently makes is a VW Touareg diesel with a Porsche badge. It's their biggest seller now. Ugly diesel SUV is not really something you would call art.

Soon, Porsches will become pricey Volkswagens in virtually any case. This is why recent merger took place. Just as it was with Cayenne, the next gen Boxter and Cayman will be also available as Volkswagens/Audis. Art?

Can you buy a cheap version of a Ferrari badged as a FIAT? No. That's why Porche and Ferrari cannot be now mentioned in the same sentence.

BTW, how can we know this is 2010 GT3 if it looks exactly the same as 2009, 2008 and 2007 and 2006 and 2005 and 2004 one? How can we know Porsche is not laughing their ass of posting those "new generations" of exactly the same cars?

I'm sorry but i disagree. They will always and forever be a premium brand regardless of what your views are. Audi and Lamborghini are sharing bits from the same parts bins what do you have to say about that? Just because they are under the same roof doesn't mean they should be classified as the same. Just because Astons and Ford had ties does that mean Astons were any less of great cars? Absolutely NOT.
If a Zonda F used a GM engine would it be any less of a car? hell no. It is all subjective of course and how you look at it.

Wow you're right, they must have fixed the couple mistakes they made driving in the video :) 7:22.4 for zr1 7:22.1 for "adjusted" viper.

I can make any car go around the Ring fast if I change anything! Different tires, increasing the pressure on a turbo or the like! What really makes a car fast for the consumer is consistently fast lap times in various conditions by various different drivers in car that is spec'd out like a car that can be purchased from a dealership!

Why won't Porsche just let it go, the GT-R won, so just move on.

germans have to realize that their doucheMobiles are no good next to the highTech japanese vehicles !
lmfao at the overpriced douchemobile porsche!!
did you forget to mention that the nissan is actualy heavier and has less horsepower than the DoucheMobile?

This is getting old, could it be possible that *gasp* Nissan engineers are capable of building a better handling sports car than the temple of Porsche? People are starting to treat Porsche handling like the *magic* feel of driving a BMW. I've owned a BMW, there is no magic to it, just solid suspension tuning, same with Porsche.

I think Porsche doesn't want to realize they are getting near the handling limits of a car with the engine sitting over the rear axle.

Just beat the GTR already and stop your bitching........

Stone

If we're in subject of Nurburgring lap times, it is almost certain that Porsche lied about Porsche 911 Turbo 7:38 time:

"So, why not the 911 Turbo? Well if you look at the graph below:
997 Turbo versus GT-R:
[...]
It is pretty clear that something is not right here. Now if you’re thinking someone might have been less than honest, that may very well be true.

However, the evidence does not support Nissan Motors being the dishonest party. Because the fact is: GT-R does average faster than the 911 Turbo on every track tested together when driven their very best.

1.7 seconds per minute faster to be precise. That is not a small amount. And while that could be thrown off by a few tenths one way or another by one bad lap by the Turbo, it is enough that there just is no reconciling the fact that the GT-R really is a class above in terms of performance, regardless of their similar functions.

So wait, how can the statistical control be wrong? Simple, when you add bias to that control.

The culprit seems to be the the source of the time. The Carsguide article that quoted the 911 Turbo time of 7:38 had several discrepancies, which we will analyze in another edition."

http://www.gtrcenter.net/?p=2522&page=2

I am so sad I am just waiting for a Porsche answers to Nissan hurry hurry Porsche.............people is waiting to see it.

Seems the Porschefiles have their briefs up their butts over this. They just can't admit to being beaten by a non-kraut car. Vell, zay have.

Cmon guys. This is all bench racing talk.

The GTR is a great Nissan made possible by technology. Drive one and then drive ANY Porsche and you'll clearly understand the difference. Comparing cars by comparing Ring times is for people who don't know better.

There is no comparison between a GT3 (or GT2 or 911, etc.) and the Nissan GTR. Well, they both have four wheels, two doors and one steering wheel. Drive a GTR then drive a Porsche then post your comments. I'm waiting...

Those of you arguing over seven minutes and some seconds versus seven minutes and some more seconds around the Ring are just ridiculous. YOU wouldn't know the difference in performance between these cars if you drove them EVER. You would notice the difference in steering, handling, braking, balance, etc. but you'd never notice the difference between the two in speed around a track. Very few people could and that's what makes these arguments about Ring times a complete waste of time. The discussions should be about the important issues including steering/turn-in, handling, balance, braking, and more. DRIVE the cars then you may be qualified to discuss these points.