Toyota Answers Call For Better Mileage With A 94 MPG Hybrid In Due In 2011

Really trying to strech out that Nickel Hydride contract aren't you Toyota.

JUST ANNOUNCED!!

Ford introduces a new car with 1230mpg!!!






This is like the horsepower war, just way lamer.

So, what's wrong with that, Spectator?

Nothing wrong, just funny.

Everyone is moving to lithium (even toyota) yet that contract they have looks to be sandbagging the company from moving forward. Might as well make as many different types of cars off the current Prius architecture just so you can use up that nickel mine you bought.

However Toyota might find themselves in the position of being behind Nissan and GM in hybrid development pretty quickly (though as long as they keep prices in the 20's they should be ok).

— Spectator:

> Really trying to strech out that Nickel Hydride
> contract aren't you Toyota. [...] Everyone is moving to lithium [...]

Who exactly?

Ford, introducing their Fusion and Escape hybrids with NiMH batteries? Hyundai building NiMH hybrids? Or maybe it is BMW with their NiMH active hybrids?

I know! It's Mercedes! They made a hybrid with Li-Ion batteries which is so expensive and priced out of market so badly that virtually no one will buy it. So they immediately announced the ML NimH hybrid.


> yet that contract they have looks to be sandbagging
> the company from moving forward

Do you really believe in your irrational fantasies that someone or something forces Toyota to buy nickel?


> However Toyota might find themselves in the
> position of being behind Nissan and GM in hybrid
> development pretty quickly

You confuse everything with anything else. There are:
- hybrids, with the Toyota Prius being the indisputable leader
- plug-in hybrids (PHEV), with the race on between Toyota (Prius plug-in hybrid) and GM (Chevrolet Volt)
- electric cars, with the Nissan likely to come up with a decent product as a first one

Key products are hybrids and PHEVs, with all electric cars having little impact due to their limited range.


— henbmw:

> JUST ANNOUNCED!!
> Ford introduces a new car with 1230mpg!!!
> This is like the horsepower war, just way lamer.

You really need to pull your head out of the world of overpriced and not worth it supercars (on posters or wallpapers).

Race to efficiency is like a horsepower war? A good candidate for the most stupid statement in this season.

You may be interested in following this link, for instance:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_oil

The Yaris gets 47 mpg?What happens to the Prius? Maybe this newspaper is BS.

EPA or european cycle? Local Toyota dealerships where I live exploit this difference obscenely by claiming the prius gets 100mpg.

looks like a little deathtrap. and why only 94MPG if big, slow GM can get 200MPG+ out of a bigger, better looking car?

200mpg thing is a scam from an equation that works in GM's favor. 94mpg out of a hybrid Yaris is pushing it but not far fetched.

Double the MPG is more than double the price I guess.

200 MPG, huh?.. Well, Nissan announced that their 'Leaf' gets 367 MPG

considering hypermilers got between 100 to 120 mpg with the OLD prius, 94 mpg with yaris-sized hybrid should be CHILD'S PLAY. in the hands of hypermilers, it'd prolly get 160 to 200 mpg.

How much will be the added cost on your electric bill from charging a plug in Volt anyways? At least from this type of hybrid you know what you are actually paying to operate it, instead of deferring the money to the power bill, and making no mention of it when selling and marketing the car. GM thinks American consumers are idiots.

From what I have read, if you operate the Volt on electric power alone, dollar for dollar it will average out to the equivalent of getting 134mpg.

That all being said, if you live in a northern part of the world where there are plugins everywhere for car block heaters. You can get free power for your car almost everywhere you go.

Its amazing you can make such a knee-jerk statement without substantial backing for your response. The website gm-Volt.com has been up for almost 2 years, and I've never seen a site so open about the development of a vehicle. Research it if you want the answer but do it for the facts. This information has been available for some time now, Ray Charles could have seen it. For the most part, EV, the Volt for example, should cost 2-6 cents per mile, depending on how you drive and price per kwh where you live. Why would GM be any different than other EV manufactures? Did the Tesla advertise cost per mile/charge at $105K a pop? No questions asked there.

http://gm-volt.com/

http://teslafounders.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/ev-juice/

http://www.evhelp.com/Cost.htm

Assuming gas costs $2.40 a gallon a 50mpg car will get you 4.8 cents a mile and a 100mpg car will get you 2.4 cents a mile. I don't see why it was such a knee jerk statement.

It will be zero when young kids think its a funny prank to pull the plug out of the socket.

Toyota is going on the defensive extremely early. Not only the Volt, but every EV priced close to economical will be a threat to the Toyota product line. The Prius is a cash cow. Anything that promise equal or better fuel mileage will erode its market share. To place focus back on itself, notice in the near future the closer the Volt gets to being released, Toyota will increase product role outs and information. Toyota has missed the boat on EV development this time around and they realize it. Not too long ago, they stated that there was on interest on their part to develop EV's. They stated that the Volt was pointless. Then next they stated a plug-in some time next year off the Prius and now other models are on the way through Toyota to get better than Prius mileage. The Volt is the vehicle from the point when its released forward will be the de-facto vehicle to compare efficiency to.

— inspirion7:

> Toyota has missed the boat on EV development
> this time around and they realize it.

I think Toyota announcement to sell Prius plug-in hybrid to fleet buyers in 2009 makes your comment look a bit, well, how to describe it...

http://pressroom.toyota.com/pr/tms/toyota/maintain-pace-broaden-scope.aspx


> Not too long ago, they stated that there was on interest
> on their part to develop EV's.

Cheap shot, inspirion7, in making Toyota look bad.

They don't want all electric cars because of their limited range and thus, limited customer base. They simply go the plug-in hybrid way. Some miles to cover daily driving in all electric way and gasoline extended range for occasional long commutes.



> They stated that the Volt was pointless.

LOL. Toyota has been developing Prius plug-in (which shares Volt philosophy) for such a long time. You really have to come up with better ideas to make some black PR against them.


> The Volt is the vehicle from the point when its
> released forward will be the de-facto vehicle
> to compare efficiency to.

40k USD will buy you a Toyota Sequoia, their largest SUV.

Did many compare this SUV mileage to Prius?

Don't think so.

I'm all for Volt, but it will have its own opponents from the new plug-in hybrid car league. And the more rivals there will be, the better for us.

For everyone that's confused, the Japanese cycle is entirely different from the U.S. and European cycle(albeit it's closer to the European). It has a completely different set of weights and measurements.

I live Alberta, and I have never seen any dealership advertise in metric. As to this car, it might be cheap and get really good gas mileage (like the prius does already) but Toyota still has to produce a super mile car that appeals to the general public.

imho, this yaris-based Hybrid is a toyota functional re-do of the original honda insight, which was then a maximum mileage hybrid.

there's been nearly 10 years' development in hybrids since that original Insight. enuff so they don't have to limit themselves to a 2-passenger vehicle to get maximum efficiency.

there is no automotive rivalry as INTENSE as that between honda and toyota. honda undercut toyota with the "least expensive" hybrid. this $16k, 94 mpg model is toyota's response.

can't wait to see what honda comes up with in reply.

Touche.

Nothing wrong, just funny.

Everyone is moving to lithium (even toyota) yet that contract they have looks to be sandbagging the company from moving forward. Might as well make as many different types of cars off the current Prius architecture just so you can use up that nickel mine you bought.

However Toyota might find themselves in the position of being behind Nissan and GM in hybrid development pretty quickly (though as long as they keep prices in the 20's they should be ok).

crappy govt computer...double posted in the wrong spot.

The problem with this car is it is too small, My 2007 civic is a pain in the neck because it is too small for the family, although I am getting by, its just not fun, and as far as this mielage, It's still behind the new hummer H-3 Hybrid with 100mpg,

Good insight Hue, I concur.