The BMW That Will Change The Way Alt. Energy Vehicles Are Perceived: Vision EfficientDynamics

The BMW That Will Change The Way Alt. Energy Vehicles Are Perceived: Vision EfficientDynamics
BMW always seems to out do themselves and this time is no different.

Today, BMW unveiled their latest project vehicle, the Vision EfficientDynamics.  After reading through the press release it is clear it boasts some incredible, outrageous technology.  It is a juxtaposition of every alternative energy method.  This is something that has yet to be seen. 

The 2+2 concept can produce upwards of 350-horsepower and nearly 600 lb-ft of torque.  Armed with a turbodiesel and two electric motors, BMW says it will be as efficient as today's small cars while performing as a proper BMW M car should.

The full press release follows:

For decades, BMW has made the reduction of emissions and fuel consumption a key part of its product development strategy, just as enhancements to the dynamic ability of each BMW have been a lasting, sustained brand value. BMW’s EfficientDynamics engineering philosophy – the pursuit of an enhanced, athletic driving experience while simultaneously lowering the consumption and emissions of each vehicle – resulted in the most dramatic drop in fleet consumption of any automaker from 1990 through 2005, according to an Environmental Defense study.

Now, the BMW Vision concept car clearly demonstrates that the EfficientDynamics objectives are fully compatible when applied to a sports car. Conceived as a 2+2-seater with plug-in full-hybrid technology, this unique car combines the performance of a BMW M vehicle with a standard of fuel efficiency and emission management that exceeds even the current levels achieved by the latest small cars. This outstanding result is made possible by the combination of BMW ActiveHybrid components with an extremely economical combustion engine, and outstanding aerodynamic qualities.

BMW Vision EfficientDynamics is the result of a “clean-sheet” development process to ensure that the correct achievements were made in the areas of efficiency, driving pleasure, technology, and emotional design. BMW Vision EfficientDynamics is the most comprehensive implementation of the EfficientDynamics philosophy seen so far. The powertrain provides a top speed limited electronically to 155 mph, with acceleration to 100 km/h in 4.8 seconds. Average fuel consumption in the EU test cycle is 3.76 liters/100 kilometers, equal to 62.6 mpg, and the CO2 emission rating is 99 grams per kilometer. CO2 emission management is even more outstanding when driving in the all-electric mode after charging the battery from a plug-in source: Taking all emissions in the generation of electricity into account, as prescribed by the EU formula, the car’s emission rating is just 50 grams per kilometer.

Through this unique balance of driving pleasure and fuel efficiency, the BMW Vision EfficientDynamics concept car clearly demonstrates the potential of BMW ActiveHybrid technology, which makes its world debut at the 2009 Frankfurt Motor Show in the BMW ActiveHybrid X6 and BMW ActiveHybrid 7 production models.

The power and performance are made possible by combining a fuel-efficient 3-cylinder turbodiesel with one electric motor on each axle. The intelligent combination of these units, together with precisely controlled energy management, simultaneously enhances the dynamic performance and the efficiency of the car. Overall system output is 356 horsepower, and peak torque is 590 lb-ft. The special arrangement of the two motors and diesel engine allows all-wheel drive when driving in all-electric mode. The result is minimum power loss and a harmonious transmission of the power available under all conditions.

In its design, BMW Vision EfficientDynamics for the first time conveys the dynamic look of a BMW sports car to a hybrid vehicle. Developed with decades of experience in Motorsport, the body of this unique sports car is a result of intelligent lightweight technology and aerodynamic efficiency. In the design of the interior, the focus was likewise on both the fascinating driving experience and, in particular, on transparent, hands-on technology and maximum reduction of weight.

Turbodiesel engine with unprecedented specific output.

The combustion engine is a cutting-edge turbodiesel featured for the first time in the BMW Vision EfficientDynamics concept car. Displacing 1.5 liters on three cylinders, the engine consistently follows the downsizing principle of using a relatively small engine combined with a turbocharger to reduce fuel consumption.

Through its compact dimensions, the 3-cylinder fits conveniently in front of the rear axle like in an agile mid-engine sports car, despite the two seats at the rear. Fuel is injected by the latest generation of High Precision Direct Injection, and the turbocharger features variable intake geometry for maximum efficiency. Engine output is 163 hp with peak torque of 214 lb-ft.

The specific output of 109 hp per liter sets a new benchmark in diesel technology. The power delivered by the turbodiesel is conveyed to the rear axle by means of a double-clutch transmission (DCT). This advanced transmission technology, which already offers a particularly dynamic driving experience in BMW’s M3 and Z4 Roadster, allows the driver to shift gears without the slightest interruption of power. BMW Vision EfficientDynamics features a newly-developed version of BMW’s DCT with six speeds for maximum efficiency and flexibility.

Two electric motors for full-hybrid drive.

The combustion engine is supplemented by two electric motors. Consistently applying the BMW ActiveHybrid philosophy, development engineers followed the principle of “Best of Hybrid,” choosing the optimum combination of a hybrid synchronous motor on the front axle and a full-hybrid system at the rear.


In this concept, the driver benefits from the efficiency of the electric motors over a far wider speed range than with a conventional hybrid car. The rear axle comes with a second-generation full-hybrid system corresponding to the technology in the BMW ActiveHybrid 7 production model. The compact electric motor positioned between the diesel engine and the DCT outputs a consistent 33 horsepower and is able to reach a peak of up to 51 hp. Maximum torque for the rear electric motor is 214 lb-ft, the power, either supporting the diesel engine or in all-electric motoring. When coasting or applying the brakes, the electric motor acts as a generator and feeds electric power to the lithium-polymer battery in the car. The electric energy developed in this way is therefore captured without any additional consumption of fuel through the principle of Brake Energy Regeneration. Energy wasted on the brakes of a conventional car is thus saved within the new power system for subsequent use in driving the car.

A second electric motor acts on the front axle. This engine, a hybrid synchronous motor, offers continuous output of 80 horsepower and peak torque of 162 lb-ft. Extra power of 112 horsepower is available for a period of up to 30 seconds, and, for a 10-second “burst,” the electric motor is able to develop 139 horsepower. The power is transmitted through a 2-stage, single-speed reduction gearbox.

BMW Vision EfficientDynamics is able to run completely under electric power, with the power of the turbodiesel engine alone, or through an infinite combination of the three power sources. Depending on driving conditions, the two electric motors may be used both for accelerating and for regenerating energy when applying the brakes and while coasting. This principle ensures efficient energy management, with the charge status of the lithium-polymer battery constantly remaining within the optimum range. When accelerating, the electric motors help to boost the car for even greater performance, ensuring immediate response and a significant reduction in fuel consumption. For a short time, such as in passing maneuvers, the cumulative maximum output of all three engines increases to 356 hp, with maximum torque generated by the three engines reaching 590 lb-ft.

Lithium-polymer battery for electrical energy.

The energy cells featured in BMW Vision EfficientDynamics are housed in a chassis element running from front to rear through the middle of the car. The front unit is the lithium-polymer complex, an ongoing development of the lithium-ion battery. Overall, BMW Vision EfficientDynamics comes with a total of 98 lithium-polymer cells, each offering a capacity of 30 amp/hours and developing continuous output of 600 Amps at a voltage of 3.7 V. For a period of 30 seconds, each cell is even able to develop maximum output of 1,200 Amps.

Serial arrangement of the lithium-polymer cells serves to generate nominal voltage of 364 volts, the gross storage capacity of the battery is 10.8 kW/h. With an unusually high discharge capacity of 80 percent, the battery delivers 8.6 kW/h for driving the car. This superior performance comes on overall weight of the entire energy storage system of just 187 lb. A further advantage is that through their optimum dimensions tailored to the specific qualities and features of the car, the lithium-polymer cells, together with the operating strategy chosen with a concept of “forward looking” energy management, reduces the thermal load acting on the battery to such an extent that there is no need for active cooling.

Plug-in solution: convenient charging of the electric power system from a conventional power socket.

Brake Energy Regeneration captures electric power generated while driving without additional fuel consumption, which is subsequently used to supply power to the electric motors and on-board network. A further option is to connect the lithium-polymer cells to a conventional power socket for a simple and efficient charge process, using a plug-in connector in the front-right wing of the car. Connected to a standard EU power outlet (220 V, 16 Amps), the system requires a maximum of 2 ½ hours to fully charge the lithium-polymer cells. And wherever a power source with higher voltage and amperage (380 V, 32 Amps) is available, the charge time is an even shorter 44 minutes.

In addition to electrical energy storage, BMW Vision EfficientDynamics comes with a conventional fuel tank at the rear end of the central chassis tunnel, offering a capacity of 6.6 gallons. Running on diesel fuel alone, BMW Vision EfficientDynamics is able to cover a distance of approximately 400 miles with its combustion engine. Benefitting from an extra range of up to 31 miles in the all-electric mode, the car offers an overall range of approximately 431 miles. As a result, this unique concept car offers all the requirements for using energy with maximum efficiency and at the same time experiencing the dynamic performance typical of BMW without any restriction of everyday driving qualities.

Performance, fuel efficiency and emission management opening new dimensions in hybrid technology.

The power delivered by the two electric motors and single diesel 3-cylinder engine gives the BMW Vision EfficientDynamics concept a level of performance superior to anything provided so far by a hybrid vehicle. Acceleration from a standstill to 100 km/h, for example, comes in just 4.8 seconds and the car could exceed its electronically-limited 155 mph top speed.

At the same time fuel efficiency and emission management now reach a standard only achieved, if at all, by far less powerful small cars conceived for city traffic and short distances. Applying the criteria of the EU test cycle, BMW Vision EfficientDynamics offers average fuel consumption equal to 62.6 mpg. CO2 emissions, in turn, are 99 grams per kilometer. These consumption and emission figures are measured on a consistent internal power balance, meaning that the batteries and storage media for electrical energy maintain the same charge level throughout the entire test cycle (with the same level at the beginning and end) and are charged while driving only by the car’s on-board systems.

As a plug-in hybrid, BMW Vision EfficientDynamics is able to cover the entire drive cycle for measuring fuel consumption also with its combustion engine completely switched off. Then, to subsequently charge the lithium-polymer cells to the same status as when setting off, all the driver has to do is connect the car to an external power grid. To determine the consumption of electric power, the only requirement is to compare the charge level of the battery before and after the test cycle. Applying this measurement process, the BMW Vision EfficientDynamics concept car consumes 17.5 kW/h per 100 kilometers, equal to a CO2 emission rating of just 50 grams per kilometer in the EU test cycle.

To determine the total volume of CO2 emissions when driving in the all-electric mode, new legal standards for measuring the level of fuel consumption are currently being prepared for hybrid and electric cars with a plug-in power supply. Applying this calculation method, the CO2 emission ratings generated by BMW Vision EfficientDynamics are reduced further to just one-third of the original figure of 99 grams per kilometer. Clearly, this significant reduction of emissions opens up a new dimension in BMW’s EfficientDynamics development strategy in this unique concept car.

Aerodynamic qualities reflecting BMW’s Motorsport experience.


BMW Vision EfficientDynamics also takes a new approach in its design and streamlining, the body and the interior clearly expressing the unique combination of supreme efficiency and the sporting performance of the brand. Following BMW’s design language, this concept car visualizes both highly efficient aerodynamics and intelligent lightweight construction.

In its design, BMW Vision EfficientDynamics differs from the usual low-emission car concepts. The principle of “form follows function” is not just for the overall look of the car, but embraces each and every detail. Measuring 48.8" in height and boasting a sweeping, arch-like roofline, BMW Vision EfficientDynamics offers the slender silhouette of a classic Gran Turismo. With the combustion engine fitted in front of the rear axle, the designers have succeeded in giving the car a very low front end, with the flow of air being further smoothened by active louvers in front of the radiator, which close completely when the need for cooling air is low. This efficient function follows in the footsteps of the active air flap control already used as a feature of BMW EfficientDynamics in some of BMW’s current production models. As a further highlight, BMW Vision EfficientDynamics guides air smoothly and exactly as required into the car through an active air intake at the front.

Numerous details in the design of the body are based on the know-how BMW has gained in Motorsport, a number of body elements serving as air deflectors and guide vanes. Designed as ducts, for example, the A-pillars serve to channel the flow of air in the same way as the rear lights with their wing profile. The floor of the car is fully covered from front to rear and from one side to the other, thus maintaining a smooth surface to avoid any air swirl liable to increase fuel consumption. Slender openings around the front air dam guide the air flowing specifically into two closed ducts leading inside the front air dam to the wheel arches where the air comes out again through a very slim aperture at high speed, flowing just next to the outer wheel flanks. This air jet rests on the front wheels like a curtain and is therefore referred to most appropriately as the “air curtain.” It provides a highly stabilizing effect.

Overall vehicle concept for a drag coefficient of just 0.22.

To further optimize the aerodynamic qualities of the entire vehicle and keep rolling resistance to a minimum, BMW Vision EfficientDynamics comes with tires and wheels of quite unusual size on a sports car. The tires measure 195/55, while large 21-inch wheels provide a contact surface on the road otherwise offered only by a much wider tire. In combination with the sophisticated axle geometry, this ensures agile driving behavior.

The extra-large wheel covers extending over part of the tire flanks add to the unique, very different look of BMW Vision EfficientDynamics from the side. The blade profile integrated in the wheels serves furthermore to reduce the negative effect of the turning wheels on the overall aerodynamics of the car. In all, these features optimizing the aerodynamic qualities of the car give the BMW Vision EfficientDynamics concept car a very low drag factor (CX) of just 0.22.

Technological look as a strong impression of intelligent lightweight construction.

In both exterior and interior design, BMW Vision EfficientDynamics stands out clearly as a strong spearhead in technology. Many components of the vehicle are presented in full view expressing the “transparent” character of the car as a powerful visual feature of lightweight technology. The chassis and suspension of BMW Vision EfficientDynamics are made completely of aluminum; the roof and the outer skin on the doors are made almost completely of a special polycarbonate glass automatically darkening as a function of the light shining on the car.

Measuring 181.1" in length, 74.8" in width and 48.8" in height, this unique concept car offers ample space for up to four passengers and their luggage. Thanks to the consistent lightweight construction strategy applied on the car, curb weight is 3,076 lb, with the center of gravity remaining very low. In its power-to-weight ratio, the BMW Vision EfficientDynamics concept car is far superior to all other hybrid cars, achieving the same standard as extremely dynamic sports cars with a conventional combustion engine.

Carrying a maximum payload of 981 lb, this unique 2+2-seater is fully suited for everyday traffic. Luggage capacity of 5.3 cu ft, in turn, allows the driver and passengers to conveniently take along two golf bags. And to meet additional loading requirements the backrests of the two rear seats may be tilted down individually to provide extra storage space.

Emotional design through sculptural shapes and layering technology.

Reflecting the innovative drive concept of this unique car, the design of BMW Vision EfficientDynamics likewise takes a new approach in combining functional progress with a most powerful emotional impact.

This has been achieved through the close cooperation of BMW’s Design and Technical Development Divisions starting at an early point and continuing consistently throughout the entire development process. The result is a brand-new vehicle architecture with the drive components as well as the body and interior elements perfectly coordinated and matched to one another with maximum flexibility and individual style.

A fully integrated design philosophy also provided new options in using harmonized design principles connecting the exterior and the interior and providing an interacting effect between the two areas.

Sculptural design language giving BMW Vision EfficientDynamics a fully harmonized, complete look ensures the proportions typical of a BMW sports car. The front, side, rear and roof areas, for example, flow smoothly into one another. Dynamically contoured surfaces and shapes, in turn, create highly attractive light and shade effects accentuating the light and sporting character of the car in an emotional manner.

Layering technology developed by the BMW Group Design Division acts as the fundamental guideline in designing the exterior and interior. Applied for the first time in exterior design, this technology layers one surface on top of the other, creating very smooth seams and joints to reduce the number of components and, accordingly, the weight of the car. As a result, BMW Vision EfficientDynamics meets the most demanding aerodynamic requirements without using any additional body elements, simply through the structure of the surfaces optimized for a smooth flow of air.

Interior: innovative lightweight construction and unprecedented orientation to the driver.

In the design of the interior, innovative layering technology provides an unprecedented symbiosis of function and stylish shapes intentionally reduced to a minimum, consistently implementing and visualizing the lightweight principle also inside the car.

Specific components such as the central air vent not only serving to enhance motoring comfort but also acting as part of the cockpit, perform several functions in one. This multi-functionality is then presented visibly within the car, the use of particularly sophisticated materials providing a highly attractive combination of innovation in technology and quality clear to the eye and the touch of the surface.

This interaction of lightweight construction and individual well-being also comes out clearly in the design of the controls and switches, with a leather band, for example, running round the aluminum gear selector lever on the center console. Materials combining lightweight technology and all the qualities required are also to be admired all round the cockpit of BMW Vision EfficientDynamics, giving the car an unusually generous feeling of space for a 2+2-seater. The body-contoured seats, for example, are made up of a kevlar shell, a backbone structure, and seat padding with personalized fillings. Clearly, this combination alone ensures comfort at a minimum weight. The driver’s and front passenger’s seats are connected firmly to the center console to form a joint interior “landscape”, while the rear seats anchored on the floor would appear to be hovering in space. Natural materials and light colors on the seat upholstery and all interior linings underline the light, sophisticated and sustainability-oriented atmosphere within the passenger compartment.

The instrument panel is deliberately padded only where technical components have to be appropriately covered, thus making an important contribution to passenger safety in the event of a collision. The instrument cluster played a fundamental role right from the start in the design process, serving as the starting point for all surfaces within the interior and thus creating a particularly powerful rendition of that driver orientation typical of BMW.

Innovative light technology: providing clear signals to the outside and offering soothing ambient illumination inside in a unique symbiosis.

LED lights at both the front and rear end of BMW Vision EfficientDynamics provide an innovative combination of the symbols typical of the brand and clear design language oriented towards trendsetting technology. The distinctive look of the dual round headlights characteristic of a BMW is emphasized in particular by the use of LED technology. The rear lights are integrated also in their function into the design of the entire rear section, forming part of the rear air deflector and thus merging completely into the rear contour.

Extremely flat and compact, the rear lights are made up of innovative LED units forming a smooth and consistent red surface when not in use. Only when used do the respective light chambers take on the appropriate color such as yellow on the direction indicators. This innovative light technology also provides an intense symbiosis of the exterior and interior, again promoting and further refining the driving experience.

This is also why the ambient illumination of the interior comes with new features and qualities, the light sources within the passenger compartment being fed from the positioning lights at the side, the rear lights and the brake lights, thus changing the atmosphere created by the lights within the car as a function of driving conditions.

The optical impression conveyed by BMW Vision EfficientDynamics also results in other areas from the symbiosis of the exterior and interior, eliminating the conventional barriers between the two. The lines within the interior, for example, continue on to the innovative design of the engine compartment lid, while in its shape the third brake light positioned higher up on the car follows the structure of the glass roof and tapers to the outside where the roofline moves down gently to the rear.

Overhead doors for convenient access to all seats.

The doors on BMW Vision EfficientDynamics open up like bird’s wings, turning on pivots in the front roof column at the level of the side direction indicators. Since the car has no B-pillars, the large door cutouts ensure convenient entry also to the rear seats. The pivots on the doors also provide the base for the exterior mirrors, thus forming an ideal combination of function and aesthetic design. The structure of the doors is also characterized by several layers of materials on top of one another and the optical and functional symbiosis of the interior and exterior this technology is able to offer. Made up of three layers, the overall structure comprises the outer glass surface, an interim load-bearing layer, and the interior cover with its particularly smooth shapes and fl owing forms clearly visible to the passengers, layering technology again, therefore, opening up new perspectives.

The large glass surfaces extending far down on the body also provide a strong optical impression of the low seating position close to the road. And at the same time a stable sidebar ensures the body stiffness and crash safety naturally required on every vehicle. Flowing to the inside at its central point, this safety element also serves as an armrest. This interplay of the three layers also helping to minimize the weight of the car continues on the trim bar running along the door and extending out of the armrest, finally flowing into the outer door opener on its path from inside to outside.

Clear focus on the essential: 3-dimensional Head-Up Display.

Layering technology is also used on the displays in the instrument cluster and in the Head-Up Display developed to an even higher standard on BMW’s new concept car. The Display now creates a powerful impression of three dimensions, at the same time providing the option to present various signals more in the front or more in the background, depending on their relevance and current driving conditions.

The Head-Up Display projects information important to the driver on to the windscreen. Indeed, innovative presentation technology even allows the superimposed presentation of several views in three dimensions, keeping, the gauge graphics visible in the background while the latest information on route guidance or warning signals from BMW Night Vision, for example, are shown in the foreground.

The sequence in which such signals appear depends on the driving mode chosen by the driver, the display technology, again depending on the driver’s personal preference, enhancing a particularly sporting, a more comfort oriented, or an efficiency-based style of motoring. Through its design alone, the BMW Vision EfficientDynamics concept car clearly shows that highly efficient individual mobility may by all means be presented in emotional style. BMW already offers models in all vehicle segments which, compared with the competition, ensure the lowest level of fuel consumption and emissions combined with superior power and performance.

And now BMW Vision EfficientDynamics confirms BMW’s commitment to offer a perfect combination in future of unique driving pleasure and optimum qualities in the responsible use of natural resources.

In the design process the need for sustainable management is borne out most clearly by the GINA (Geometry and Functions in N-fold Augmentation) concept developed by the BMW Group. In this case maximum creative freedom sets the foundation for innovative solutions challenging the conventional and meeting the requirements of the future. This makes the GINA principle particularly well-suited for developing visions for the future reflecting both the wish for emotional style and individual character as well as the quest for sustainable management and efficiency. From the dimensions of its wheels through the design of the rear lights and all the way to the configuration of the cockpit, BMW Vision  EfficientDynamics therefore boasts a number of details both outside and inside which, going far beyond conventional solutions, open up a new approach to maximum efficiency and that Dynamic ability typical of BMW.

Forward-looking energy management adjusting to individual requirements.

With the individual system components on board BMW Vision EfficientDynamics being networked with one another, conditions are perfect for implementing a forward-looking system of energy management using information gathered by the sensors of the driver assistance units fitted in the car. Data provided, for example, by the rain sensor or Active Cruise Control with its Stop & Go function as well as by the navigation system, and subsequently evaluated by the central control unit, offers an overview of current and upcoming driving conditions. Then, evaluating such data, the on-board computer is able to forecast driving conditions on the stretch of road immediately ahead, such calculations serving to prepare the car for upcoming requirements and make efficient use of the energy available through optimum operation of all systems.

Should the high-performance central computer establish, for example, that the driver is about to take the motorway, the power used for running the cooling system is reduced for a certain period in advance, on the assumption that the short increase in coolant temperature resulting from such an energy-saving measure will quickly be set off by the higher speed of the car on the motorway. Another example of such pre-conditioning is the regeneration of energy from the air conditioning, from Electronic Power Steering and the Brake Assistant.

BMW Group In America
BMW of North America, LLC has been present in the United States since 1975.  Rolls-Royce Motor Cars NA, LLC began distributing vehicles in 2003.  The BMW Group in the United States has grown to include marketing, sales, and financial service organizations for the BMW brand of motor vehicles, including motorcycles, the MINI brand, and the Rolls-Royce brand of Motor Cars; DesignworksUSA, a strategic design consultancy in California; a technology office in Silicon Valley and various other operations throughout the country.  BMW Manufacturing Co., LLC in South Carolina is part of BMW Group’s global manufacturing network and is the exclusive manufacturing plant for all X5 Sports Activity Vehicles and X6 Sports Activity Coupes.  The BMW Group sales organization is represented in the U.S. through networks of 338 BMW passenger car centers, 335 BMW Sports Activity Vehicle centers, 142 BMW motorcycle retailers, 84 MINI passenger car dealers, and 30 Rolls-Royce Motor Car dealers.  BMW (US) Holding Corp., the BMW Group’s sales headquarters for North America, is located in Woodcliff Lake, New Jersey.




WorldofLuxuryWorldofLuxury - 8/29/2009 8:04:20 PM
+5 Boost
Cool. They should keep the looks with all the effort they spent. Make it. Why not?


atomicbriatomicbri - 8/29/2009 8:05:32 PM
+3 Boost
Wow! OK I know a lot of it is pure concept, but the silhouette screams of a future 8 series, the front end even looks great for a production look (minus the light up grill). I like!


dlindlin - 8/30/2009 1:58:16 PM
-2 Boost
8 series?

This concept looks to me like a gigantic NIKE shoe of 5 years ago, and convenient 'borrowing' of KTM X-BOW design of 2 years ago.

http://www.seriouswheels.com/cars/top-2007-KTM-X-Bow-Scale-Model.htm


rxh8me9000rxh8me9000 - 8/31/2009 3:00:32 AM
+3 Boost
Looks nothing like the XTM you posted.


dlindlin - 8/31/2009 4:48:13 PM
-2 Boost
I can only say your eye aren't trained too see something so obvious.


BremboBrembo - 8/29/2009 8:14:50 PM
+9 Boost
Too much info. Can't ... take ... it ... all ... in.


ChipChip - 8/29/2009 8:19:42 PM
+3 Boost
Stunning. Absolutely STUNNING!!


BMWMBMWM - 8/29/2009 8:49:17 PM
+2 Boost
Make it. NOW. Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the future of motoring. STUNNING!


veyron1001veyron1001 - 8/30/2009 9:40:36 AM
-7 Boost
Nothing can be more conventional than the LS series motors


enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 8/30/2009 2:01:41 AM
+1 Boost
any lexus cars that have actually been made?


validus00validus00 - 8/30/2009 7:45:06 AM
+2 Boost
i don't see any resemblances to any of the lexus concepts you've linked. in fact, lexus hasn't made a concept car in decades that is as grand in scale as this bmw concept. not even the minority report lexus, which i recall they managed to sell a replica of it for less than $50,000. i guess it looked too "futuristic" for people's eyes. lol


validus00validus00 - 8/30/2009 7:52:59 AM
-1 Boost
btw, you failed to mention that lexus didn't even design the minority report car. it's really as lexus as say putting a lexus emblem on a wrx.


EL34EL34 - 8/30/2009 10:58:59 AM
+2 Boost
BMW has never been inspired by Toyota.


WillisWillis - 8/30/2009 3:21:24 PM
+2 Boost
Let me tell you something about those Lexus concepts, Huu76.

ALL SHOW, NO GO.

Face it. Lexus is great at brainwashing people into thinking they're cool when in reality they're not. Look at that new IS250C. A bland IS that was chopped in half for the sake that Lexus can claim to have a competitor in a profitable market niche. In terms of driving or comfort the reviews have not been great to it.

So, Huu76, STFU, again. MORON.


VISOVISO - 8/29/2009 11:02:38 PM
-7 Boost
Autospies will spin anything to make BMW look good. You can already get an A3 making 51 mpg with CO2 around 100. Nothing special here. Just another paid BMW propaganda on Autospies.


bmwM3bmwM3 - 8/29/2009 11:44:11 PM
+9 Boost
Your such a loser, you go and deboost everyone, then boost yourself up with the multiple user names you prolly have.60+ miles per gallon, and M3 performance is something new. Your Audis are nothing special, they can keep following BMW.


Agent00RAgent00R - 8/30/2009 3:49:55 AM
+7 Boost
So, an A3 makes 350 + hp and nearly 600 lb-ft of torque?

...


downtoearthdowntoearth - 8/30/2009 7:14:37 AM
+8 Boost
— VISO:

> You can already get an A3

It's not an A3, it's a Golf with Audi badge, for tools to pay 30% more for the same car.


> making 51 mpg

Not 51 mpg but 45 mpg US
http://www.spritmonitor.de/de/uebersicht/3-Audi/20-A3.html?esearch=1&fueltype=1&exactmodel=tdie


> with CO2 around 100

Not around 100 but 119 g CO2.


> Nothing special here. Just another paid BMW propaganda

Nothing special? BMW propaganda?

The Volskwagen Golf A3 you quoted has a tiny weenie 1.9 TDI 90HP awfully agricultural engine, good for manure and excrement pumping, but not for even a fake premium vehicle. It also features an ancient 5 speed manual gearbox with slow, tall ratios.

Wanna guess the 0-60 time? Well, it's around 12 seconds.


And you dare to compare this Audi automotive turd to a BMW plug-in hybrid concept with M car performance?


inspirion7inspirion7 - 8/30/2009 2:35:27 AM
+10 Boost
Interesting. Concepts are how companies gauge public reaction. Its cool but this press release is designed to overwhelm you. It will be interesting to see what makes it to production. True, most of the design will not make it, but the essence will carry over. We need more imagination and I'm totally pumped for that reason.


dhkss2002dhkss2002 - 8/30/2009 3:15:01 AM
+4 Boost
That is one stunning looking vehicle. If only they could add a 500 bhp fuel efficient motor it would be perfect. Good job BMW, you go ahead and drop this when I was about ready to write off your entire design team. Very refreshing, considering this is Audispies.com


AnthonyAnthony - 8/30/2009 4:54:42 AM
+6 Boost
It's nice to see a company put this much effort into changing the way our cars operate. Making automobiles should always be about constant improvement. However, there are so many ideas at play here, there is obviously no way that this car could be built as-is without costing as much as a small island. Also, I'm surprised that BMW of all companies would put together a concept like this. I would have expected such a radical concept about efficiency and alt. energy from a Japanese company.


monkeyrunmonkeyrun - 8/30/2009 5:21:14 AM
-1 Boost
lol with all those useless lighting around the car, they are going to drive the aftermarket useless lighting industry out of business.

honestly though, I'll believe it when I see it, and of course the price...


M53RM53R - 8/30/2009 5:48:09 AM
+2 Boost
The design has the potential to be an R8 killer. I say bring it to the market, and bring another non diesel version with 550hp and we have a deal!


truckmantruckman - 8/30/2009 6:14:11 AM
-1 Boost
Still not as impressive as PML Flightlinks hybrid with 640 BHP! This BMW has Only a 30 mile range, PML's car has 4 hrs of battery time, This BMW looks great and will be the best production hybrid car but come on at least beat PML! PML built there flagship car something like 6 years ago!


truckmantruckman - 8/31/2009 5:20:14 AM
+1 Boost
'You are right, you can't compare BMW with PML, PML"s flagship car has almost double the HP at 640BHP and 0-60 at 4 sec. Four hrs of battery time and BMWs is a mere 30 miles, still better than the prius by far but not even remotely close to the advancement of pML's teck.


Joe_LimonJoe_Limon - 8/30/2009 12:28:37 PM
+4 Boost
I don't see any of the design cues from those lexus concepts in this car. You'd be more accurate in saying this car has 4 wheels just like those concepts!

This lawnmower engine is a diesel engine of smaller displacement, and with more power then the prius engine. It puts out 163hp out of a 1.5L, and it's a diesel!


AmericaAmerica - 9/3/2009 8:46:22 PM
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Huu, does toylex pay you by the post or by the hour to slander German and US brands?








validus00validus00 - 8/30/2009 5:47:09 PM
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i find it hilarious that lexus hasn't won any prominent awards with its designs and engines. and yet huu76 is appraising this 3rd-tier luxury carmaker like a god. LOL

speaking of marketing. has lexus beaten bmw in sales yet? sounds like kids are running lexus' marketing department and should get replaced by grownups. :D


dannyjeffersdannyjeffers - 8/30/2009 1:21:38 PM
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Don't hold your breath, people. This thing will never see the light of day. Put it up there with the meaningless concept CS and gina.... vision light or whatever. Now the BMW Vision EfficientDynamics concept? Ridiculous names, ridiculous ideas. Both intended to make you feel like one of those super stylish folks in the photo shoot.


Joe_LimonJoe_Limon - 8/30/2009 6:43:12 PM
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huu, I see more design cues from the mazda furai in this concept then I do from any of the lexus's you mentioned. Just because both designs are radical doesn't mean that they look like each other.

And as to the engine, BMW has been developing a 3cylinder, and I wouldn't be surprised if this concept is simply hinting at the numbers it will be putting out.


wac77wac77 - 8/30/2009 10:27:32 PM
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Lexus 2 biggest sellers ARE re-badged Toyotas, so what you said made no sense.


validus00validus00 - 8/31/2009 4:10:20 AM
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not even close to rebadging the yaris? i'd watch what you say before you dig yourself your own grave huu76. you don't even know the dimensions of the new lexus compact/subcompact and the platform it is based on.

lexus selling cheap entry-level cars just to increase lexus sales? in these desperate times, lexus and lexus fanboys will do whatever possible (and say whatever possible in this case) to survive.


wac77wac77 - 8/31/2009 2:06:28 PM
+1 Boost
Is the Camry a high end model? :)


993Turbo993Turbo - 8/31/2009 6:05:01 AM
0 Boost
Nice car but BMW already has electrical problems. How are they going to pull this off?


FanboyOfTheTruthFanboyOfTheTruth - 8/31/2009 2:25:55 PM
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As usual fuel economy figures in plug-in hybrids are grossly exaggerated. Good if all one needs in a car for is short commutes, but otherwise they need to come up with a different testing procedure to properly reflect fuel consumptions on extended trips for plug-in hybrids.


Joe_LimonJoe_Limon - 8/31/2009 3:06:14 PM
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I'm sorry but, 62mpg is grossly exaggerated for a plug-in hybrid? hahahaha


FanboyOfTheTruthFanboyOfTheTruth - 8/31/2009 3:08:49 PM
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For this car it is. Not sure what's so funny about this obvious fact for you.


Joe_LimonJoe_Limon - 8/31/2009 5:21:11 PM
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It is a light weight sports car with a 1.5L diesel, and it's a light weight plug in hybrid with a 1.5L engine. It has a smaller more efficient engine then the prius (since it's running on a diesel cycle) and it uses a hybrid system to boost it's range. If this were toyota making a plug in diesel car I would expect them to tune it for 10s 0-60 times and 120+ mpg. Hell the gasoline powered volt, dollar for dollar will net you 120mpg, yes it is far less then the claimed 230mpg, but it is still a gasoline powered plug in that gets twice this cars mileage.

What the obvious fact is, is that you don't know what you are talking about.


FanboyOfTheTruthFanboyOfTheTruth - 8/31/2009 6:09:57 PM
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What you fail to realize is that the quoted "62mpg" or "120+mpg" as you say are based on the existing test procedure for conventional cars. Do you really think that the Volt, for example, can truly get anywhere near "230mpg" in the real world? The pitfall with these plug-in hybrids' figures are simply that they are obtained from a limited-range testing procedure and got boosted by a full charge of batteries. If you can't even understand this, there's no point of continuing our conversation further.


validus00validus00 - 8/31/2009 10:56:24 PM
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if you're suggesting that a camry can ever matched or exceed the sportiness and pure fun of a 1-series, you're truly blind beyond help by your own fanaticism. frankly no one shops for a 1-series looking for the practical and economical sense of a camry. a front wheel drive family car like the camry will always be just that, and nothing more.

if lexus can sell rebadged prius, then lexus can and will sell rebadged corolla and yaris too. and yes, it will be a failure. you should ask toyota why are they diluting the lexus brand when they have the toyota brand, instead of asking the practicality of these luxury subcompacts.

the only thing i know is that the new lexus will be boring to drive if it's indeed based off of the corolla/yaris. *yawn*


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