Obama's Tire Tariff Backfires As China Considers High Tarriff On US Automobiles

why is every little thing about Obama on here? is this site run by the lunatic crazies that watch faux news all day long?

China already has all our manufacturing jobs and we import all of their crap. They should thank us. Without us they'd still be in the dark ages.

DinamoR -

You should try watching Fox News instead of MSNBC, CNN, Air America, HLN, Huffington Post, Michael Moore, George Soros and Moveon.org.

Obama, what a goof!

EL34 does watch Faux (FOX) news. That's why he thinks Obama is a terrosit shi'ite muslim from Afghanistan born Iraq. Get your facts straight there EL34, you're living in the dark ages with Communist China, the one's whose tires you seem to support that come in last place in almost every comparison test. You pay for quality, and the chinese tires are cheap, just like your remarks on the president and everything else you post here. Go watch more FOX news so Rush Limbaugh can preach about how Bush was america's savior and Label Obama the antichrist some more.

They should thank us? We should thank them for buying all our debt and keeping this sinking ship going for a little longer. Looks like you need a lesson in global economics (like Obama does).

"China already has all our manufacturing jobs and we import all of their crap. They should thank us. Without us they'd still be in the dark ages."

A history lesson would be very enlightening to some people here on Autospies.

Because certain people (009) cannot handle a president of Mixed Race.

I'm mixed and I think Obama is a joke. What is the point? Can't have an opinion is you are other than black? That defeat the purpose of a free democracy doesn't it? On this point, I'm behind Obama 100%, but not on all things.

LOL the faux noise propaganda would make Stalin jelous on how they manage to manipulate dumb ignorant people and rile them up just to keep a few A-holes in power who only care about robbing the country blind.

where were you idiots when repubs gave tax cuts to the rich and lied us into a trillion dollar war? Nice way to pay for a war: with tax cuts.

IDIOTS

We inherit the biggest economic disaster since the great depression (which was cause by another republican anti-government doofus btw) and we inherit the biggest deficits in history from the retarded Bush administration you drooled over for 8 years, and now it's our fault?

the crap my dog took on the lawn this morning has more credibility than faux news, rush limbaugh and the whole crazy fanatical GOP base put together

I say let's heavy tax everything from CHINA to correct the deficit, and watch US middle class sink, so I can afford a reasonably priced house.

So far even a Porsche is more reasonably priced than a CA house.

Things is:

1. Only Chinese is buying American car, out of the reason they don't like Jap, not quality issue.
2. Car is certainly way more valuable and higher profit margin than tires.

That's why there's no point of tariff on stupid tires! Do we want to be tire factory for the whole world? Not a good idea!

Lexsux- That comment was out of line. I could care less about race, if you even look back I have been even more critical of Bush. The problem is the simple fact that EVERYTHING is interrelated, you can't impose a questionable sanction without expecting retaliation on the other side.

Why is anyone even bother responding to EL34?

After one sentence, it's clear he's utterly delusional. He's probably posting in between games of Uno at his mental hospital. Just wait for the warden to revoke his internet privileges.

Who cares!! Good job Barack. If I want a high quality Asian product, I will get it from Japan.

If it is passed by your administration, then you own it bubba.

The tariff was never a good idea. American Tire Manufacturers (who's tires aren't built in the USA btw) pressured Obama to tax the chinese bacause thier tires are cheaper. Something about an unfair advantage. The problem with the Obama administration is that they buckle under any pressure.

If Obama had any balls he would tax ALL of China's imported goods sky high.

Obama is an idiot and he will be a one termer.

To hell with all of Obama's UAW friends.

One termer? I bet you also said that he wouldn't get elected at all? Or are you one of those folks who believe that ACORN won the election for Obama? lol!

I don't know if you know this Charlie Brown, but I work in real estate.

We are heading for a major commercial real estate meltdown. I'm not talking about GM closing down dealers either.

Did you here the news today Blockbuster video will soon be closing 900 stores?

There will be many other businesses closing down as well.

Obama will not be re-elected.

"True badgewhore.
Obama can't stand private industry and profits being made by individuals. Obama wants to close all those loopholes so only HE gets the profits. GM, now owned by Obama. Obama admitted in an interview his goal is to get rid of all heath care insurance companies and transfer control of all the healthcare industry to HIM."

Yes Obama wants to make money from GM to line his own pockets and yes he wants to get rid of insurance companies and personally take over Health care. ALso Enforcement wants to take all health care away from our Troops and give it to poor in Russia. Enforcement also wants to have all schools teach the Koran and send all children to do work 30 hours per week after the age of 5........

This making stuff up is so fun. I can see why you do it Enforcement.

Obama is the smartest president USA has had in 50 years. He just needs to stop with this bipartisan crap and keep conceding to the lunatic right wingers. Let them ride their crazy train into the sunset.

I'll be voting for him again in 2012, no doubt:-)

You're right, Obama is really smart.

He just said Kanye West is a jackass.

Let's face it, Obama is good at running a pep rally, but he's not very good at being President.

His main job is to defend the nation and not run commie healthcare program down our throat.

Hey Obama, get them illegal aliens out my country or else the unemployed won't vote for you next time!

Get'em out NOW!!!

"Hey Obama, get them illegal aliens out my country or else the unemployed won't vote for you next time!"

I wonder what the first Americans would say about a comment like that (i.e. Native Americans).

He will get re-elected without any problems. The Patheticans are dead.

DiamondR If you think Obamas the smartest President, that dosent say much about you. This guys ratings have dropped faster than a prom dress. Keep up the great work Obama, these are really great times.

"Obama is the smartest president USA has had in 50 years."

The president with the highest I.Q. of the past 50 years (indeed the highest of any who have actually taken an I.Q. test or one with which I.Q. is highly correlated) was:

Richard Nixon with an I.Q. of 143. Technically on the Stanford-Binet scale he was a genius.

... and he was still a fool- if that gives you any indication of the majority of the rest of them.

Obama is not stupid, but he really isn't all that intelligent either.

43LE,

The native Americans were not from this land. They crossed borders and moved in. They had as much rights to the land as Europeans did.

Please.....please

LMAO I swear these republican morons like EL are the dumbest people on planet earth. My 5 year old nephew is smarter.

Commie health care system?

LMAO

Wow there are some weird right wing "lunatic fringe" comments from EL34. While everybody has a right to their political beliefs, I do believe that paying attention to facts not just "fox facts" is imperative before criticizing the President. -izfuney

Bro, the Kool-aid is poisoned so you better watch it. Obama did get a jack up economy, true that, but you don't pour gasoline onto a bonfire. Finance 101, can't spend what you don't have. Second, its HIS presidency now. A man is a man and doesn't blame, children do. Adult do what ever it takes to make it right. Play with the big dogs or take your dumb ass home. He can't pretend. He can do this job, But if he can't then he can not continue to say, I tried it but it's all George's fault.

A number of things are going to hit us very soon. Despite Obama making a promise of the unemployment rate not going beyond 9%, inflation is just around the corner. That will stagnant the tiny growth going on right now. Our loan buddy China doesn't want to play with us any more because they feel we can't pay back future loans. We want to not repair but create a completely new healthcare cluster screw and can't even get back the money given to the auto companies by some stupid mistake that was made recently by some oversight. Besides, where will the TRILLIONS of dollars come from to finance the biggest public screwing of the American public in history? And last, banks are still going under along with businesses that aren't coming back. Who is going to pay the IRS all the money needed to run the U.S. with massive job losses. 1/3 of this countries revenue is gone. Period. So, please get a reality check and stop playing pretending like all is okie dokie.

an IQ test? that's how you messure the intellect of a president?

Finance 101 says that you don't cut spending during an economic disaster. Herbert Hoover and the republicans did that back in 1929: the result was 25% unemployment, people living in cardboard boxes and eating garbage.

but keep drinking your kool-aid. You're right though, it is poisoned.

Your comment below about commie health care, lest hope he doesn't use Canada as a template, emanate success, Denmark is no1# your health care sucks, I have heard many horror stories about people with coverage in USA, the health insurance are working 24-7 to feed you propaganda, you have to see that unless you work for one of those companies, and I would never buy tires from China!

EL34 said,

"The native Americans were not from this land. They crossed borders and moved in. They had as much rights to the land as Europeans did.

Please.....please"

Today's Europeans were not originally from Europe either. They migrated from Africa, so then by your twisted logic, they have as much rights to being in Europe and any other immigrant. By your logic, the only people that have rights to any land are Africans in Africa, since the first modern humans were in Africa and people migrated to all other parts of the world.

"an IQ test? that's how you messure the intellect of a president?"

An I.Q. (Intelligence Quotient) test is a good general indication of intelligence in a qualitative sense. A few I.Q. points is essentially minutia, however if you compare almost any politician (or almost anyone for that matter) to someone like Marilyn Vos Savant or Christopher Langan, then there is no comparison.

If you don't believe me on the Nixon I.Q. number you don't have to take my word for it you can look it up. The truth is a far more interesting thing than someone's preconceptions. Obama is smart and educated and fairly erudite, but for me to use the word "intelligent" you have to be quite a bit more than just smart- you have to be a genius. Obama is far from being one.

As far as your analysis (if that is what you can call it) of Hoover: I would recommend that you get your economics from economists and not civics professors. Hoover was hardly a free-marketer and ran budget deficits that were about 4% of GDP.

I don't know if you are familiar with this but the Keynesian (I would like to point out that Keynes wasn't a Kenynesian in the end BTW) idea of government deficits is fundamentally an argument derived from the desire for full employment. Hoover did run deficits, but the unemployment of which you speak was the result of something else Hoover supported: wage freezes. Which I would hope you recognize as problematic when economies start to collapse. The following article is about scholarly research that appeared in the Journal of Economic Theory:

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-08/uoc--hps081909.php

I would hope that the above comment about "Republicans" does not include me. I am not a Republican, and I do not agree with them on a fair number of things (gay marriage for example), just like I don't agree with the Democrats on a fair number of things.

"the indians blended with the land..."

That is a cute thing to think, but there is a fair amount of evidence that is really just isn't true. The Native Americans learned to manipulate the land, particularly south of the equator. This change in human perceptions of nature was the impetus for the agricultural revolution. It wasn't limited to the south, many North American tribes actually intentionally set fire to the landscape.

Before Europeans arrived in North America, people could drink water directly from all of the rivers. I challenge anyone to do that today.

"all of the rivers..."

ALL the rivers? Surely you don't really mean that. Of course you can drink from them, although I am not sure you would want to. There is such a thing as natural contamination with things such as arsenic, radon etc.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/08/0802_040802_yukon.html

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2008/06/24/water_ceremonies/

http://books.google.ca/books?id=qyqrhEqSAkkC&pg=PA76&lpg=PA76&dq=native+americans+clean+rivers&source=bl&ots=NYC5H0rQGe&sig=3k3UogEfdZ0S5yX6ADdy6dhtWW4&hl=en&ei=-y6xSt-ZOsGw8QbxqcSKDw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6#v=onepage&q=native%20americans%20clean%20rivers&f=false

Yes, uncontrolled industrial growth, without forethought.

To hell with all of EL34's comments, he'll get deboosted always

To hell with the UAW and when they get laid off they can get a job at Wal-Mart if they want to feed their families.

I'm selling plenty of houses.

Well Bugger me Sideways.

I had no idea you could be so articulate.

Wow there are some weird right wing "lunatic fringe" comments from EL34. While everybody has a right to their political beliefs, I do believe that paying attention to facts not just "fox facts" is imperative before criticizing the President.
Obama has done an absolutely stand up job in the past 8 months giving the mess he inherited from W .
In the case of the Tire standoff, Obama has made a correct move to ensure that the market is given space and protection to absorb the reality of a large scale import of Chinese Tires. China itself does that for a range of products that its deems as affecting crucial industries. Look no further then their attempt to brow beat Rio Tinto and the Australian Govt into locking in an extra 30% discount for Iron Ore.
While China is an important partner in the Global economy for the US, they are still a command economy that is primarily setup to ensure the survival of the Communist Party . This dichotomy is what needs to be negotiated carefully by the US and EU.
Their moves in Asia be it Aksai Chin, repression in Tibet and Xinjiang or strategic threats towards Taiwan are but a harbringer to their ambitions at Empire. Yet this has to be balanced with the view that China is also changing rapidly and the growing market is already by some accounts out of control of state planners .
The optimistic view is that rising incomes and education levels will result in a China that is far less adventurous and far more ingrained in the global fabric to seek to distort it.

people like EL are f***ed in the head. A bag of carrots is smarter.

one of them just was president for 8 years. explains why we're in this mess

Do you realy want to put China against the wall? Demmand from them Freedom for their employees and better salaries...then you can talk....Any asian company can do better than the americans cause they labor pay for they employees is not far, in fact is against the human rights, If I were American I would trade only with democratic countries.

Do you wanna know what Obama is good at?

He's good at reading speeches during pep rallies.

I really think people like you don't have a brain. I'm not kidding.

you will destroy this country if we let you. you already almost did during the past 8 years.

DinamoR, you are the polar opposite of EL34 an extreme liberal. You are just as dangerous. Why don't you and EL get together and work things out, you know like Bill Clinton and George Bush Sr.

i'm not a liberal. I don't support any specific ideology. I think we should take a little of everything- some right some left, some socialist some capitalist policies. it's the only system that works, and it's what Obama is offering.

People like EL are mentally unstable.

DinamoR -

What do you want to bet interest rates in less than 2 years to buy a home will be 12% and the same for a car?

With the way Obama has spent money in the past 8 months and printed money the US dollar won't be worth anything.

We can thank China for helping us out.

Again tell me what did Bush have to do with what people like Bernie Madoff did? And when a person buying a home with stated income what did Bush have to do with it when that person lied on their Loan application about their income?

You see, you don't know what you're talking about.

BTW, when is Obama going to end the police actions in Afghanistan and Iraq, Pakistan and Somilia?

LOL you can thank Bush, faux news and yourself for the dollar not being worth much.

My dog has a bigger brain than you.

I loved voting for Obama in 2008 and I will love doing it again in 2012

:-)

Bush had nothing to do with anything. He was only president for 8 years, and his policies have nothing to do with what happened to USA.

Yet somehow Obama has screwed it all up in 8 months (Damn! And everything was so awesome!)

LMAO keep drinking the kool aid you braindead drone

Poindexter -

You just remember the Aston Martins are off limits to you.

You have to follow Al Gore and drive the 4 cylinder to save the planet from global warming.

If you're not gettin' 25mpg then your not doin' enough.

Sat hello to Kanye and Serena for me and I'm sure they're going to be out campaigning for your boy.

people like you make Kanye and Serena look normal. Nice desperate attempt at an insult though:-)

Aston Martin? They'll make an electric car pretty soon. Watch. Everyone who wants to be in the car business a decade from now will.


GM should have listened to Al Gore not those RETARDS on Faux News who said that because of the Iraq war oil will cost $20 a barrell for the next 20 years.

Maybe, just maybe, they would not have gone bankrupt.

Everyone who listens to the republicans ends up destroying themselves. Including the Patheticans themselves.

DinamoR -

Not sure if you heard the news, but so far in Afghanistan in 2009 it's been the deadliest year for US troops so far.

I thought Obama boy was a natural born Army General?

BTW, Just remember when you buy a car you can't get it with leather because PETA would not be happy with you!

Also remember your car shouldn't have tires any larger than 14 inches. It's all about you saving oil and saving the planet.

Have fun being a Lib, and here's a few more station for you to watch. ABC, CBS and CBS.

009 - I love the way you pick and choose your word to try and steer people's thinking your way. When you say "backfires" people will think that the decision was poorly thought out. Do you honestly think that ANY gov't that prepares to implement a tariff does not expect some sort of reaction from the other country? I think the US gov't, be it a Democrat admin or a Republican admin, was expecting some sort of retaliatory action from China. Just recall Bush's action against Europe.

This website is truly ridiculous with its Politically-motivated stories. Its no longer (and hasn't been in a very long time!) an automotive website... SAD

right, I'm not questioning the political story. I'm questioning the website (autospies.com) and why it continues to post political stories.

Look at other sites like worldcarfans, emgtech, etc. They rarely post "political" articles. Its not a political debate, its an automotive debate. Autospies can continue to have debates without the political stories. Thats my point.

I know that some Chinese eat dogs, but I don't think cats or rats. Nonetheless, we eat beef, which is completely unacceptable by some Indians, so who are we to judge?

Exactly, so then why do you even care about what the Chinese eat? So that you can be judgmental like you usually are? You're just a racist little person that hides behind the anonymity of the internet because you'd be too ashamed to voice your opinion in public.

Funny, Shempy assumes that I'm French just because I can speak it. I'm sure that Shempy is from Toronto, a city filled with cold and boring people. That's why he's so bitter.

DinamoB you moron, if you haven't gotten it by now, I am black and native American. I didn't make that statement for the reason you said. Liberals like you are very dangerous because you think you are doing minorities a favor by ham stringing their independence by keeping them in need. The liberals can't do anything without capitalism because they need the money to do the damage they do. Whenever a person becomes financially independent, their eyes are opened and the need for liberalism vanishes. Most in this country are very giving, the most giving in the world and this is done without being liberal.

Said but true DinamoB. Also, I wish people would stop using the word "racist" so freely whenever someone opposes the views of someone who HAPPENS to also be a minority. It's cop out and meant to just shut down the conversation and shun the person with the "mark of the beast". Stupid and ignorant. Make a real argument instead of just accusing people of being "racist". I'm white italian american. I'm a blue dog democrat. I was proud as an American when we were able to elect someone of mixed race rather than another WASP. But a lot of people think President Obama is wrong on a lot of things. That doesn't make all them racist.

Not to get into the debate of whether Obama is good or bad - people will cast that vote next time around.......

But this tariff by itself is not that big a deal. While I think it is a step in the right direction it is just a shot across their bow - a pinch in the cheek if you will.

If we really wanted to balance the scales, we would be going far beyond tires to every other auto part, every other electronic device we play with, toys, clothes, tools, appliances, building materials,.........virtually every thing we buy at WalMart, Sears, Home Depot, Staples, PetSmart, Best Buy and the like.

Putting a tariff on just the tires is frankly just "boob bait for the bubbas". It really does not accomplish much more than placate the unions, shoring up the administration's battered image a bit in their eyes. It was an inexpensive way to give some political payback to an interest group feeling the pinch, to keep them in line.

Will it mean more tires made in America? No. We will still get most of them from Thailand, Malaysia, Romania, Venezuela, Vietnam, Korea, and the Czech Republic.

Ugh, I mis-typed the whole first sentence in my response above. Should have read; "Sad but true inspiron7"

Someone at Autospies please add editing capabilities to this forum. Us impulse responders could really use it.

One great thing about a Democracy and free speech. You have every right to speak up...and demonstrate how ignorant, uneducated, and racist you really are...and you can go home and throw darts at the black man hanging in your basement with your kids.

And no one will arrest you...isn't America great.

And when your side is losing the intellectual debate of content and ideas you can cowardly cry racism to mask the fact.

Exactly, 1995e34, the rest of the industrialized world scratches their heads and wonders why it is not universal in the USA.

1995e34 the problem is many are giving suggestion about what to do about healthcare but just because someone says jump out the window, the only suggestion, doesn't mean do it. I've seen other suggestions but the Dems refuse to floor them, like they have an agenda and don't want anything but their plan. People are not ignorant today and know they are being handed a crazy scheme.

No one questions the need for healthcare, but when you call people that don't agree with YOUR method to solve it "un-american" or whatever else, something is wrong and we need to call them out. We are willing to change and fix the system, not turn it over to a government that just gave AIG and BofA the ability to give billions of our money in bonuses without calling them out. Dude, you are smarter than that. If you can question the last administrations intentions, why not this one.

Don't let the color of this President stop you from solid reasoning. I've always want a black President, but not at the expense that it overlooks the values of its people. Something it terribly wrong and many are seeing it in the polls. We should have check this guy out before this, now its too late.

"why try and get cute when the rest of the developed world has done the trials for us? we have hundreds of successful templates to copy."

And virtually ALL OF THEM have proven to us that they dont work, cost more then they ever thought, and it becomes the dominant political issue for those nations. Then there is the rationing and the problems. You put government in control of your health care, they are in control of YOU. I am shocked that liberals dont see that considering they are so geeked about government intrusion of the Patriot Act. Give them the reigns of your health and well being, your conversations and emails getting looked at by Dick Cheney will be like wallpaper in the nursery.

I thought the conversation was about tailpipe emissions ;)

No wait......it was about tariffs :)

This may be the most quintessential example of "thread drift". It's all good. People need to vent sometimes.

Not sure where Socialist Health Care and the need for the losers in society to get free bread and circus from the producers came from. Seems to be a sore subject with the Oboamaphiles lately.

Oh well. Life is tough. Get used to it, not about to change any day soon.

Not if they cant afford to pay them

who cares about the tariffs, does anyone here buy chinese tires? If you do pity. If you don't what's it matter? Ok, so maybe he might tariff other chinese products. Does anyone buy things that are made from China? Like what? Unless were really retarded the only reason he did this is because of the unfair prices. You can't just expect to come and sell your tires here for super cheap because you made it that way. That's like getting you Nike Air Max's for 25 bucks. They're made in china. Lots of components in each one of our computers are made in china. There's a big difference in being made in china, and being sold by china. That's what the tariff is for. The cheap knock offs that everyone talks about, really aren't so much of a knock off when you think about it. Why? Because the original thing they are copying, came from china.

Actually most brands of tires we have here in the States are made in China. Check yours....

http://www.harriger.com/tire1.htm

What does race have to do with anything?

HyundaiSmoke:

You are a loser, thank you for the entertainment. To say that Asians are disadvantaged or taken advantaged of in America is a joke. They arguably the most successful single race in America today. Look at any of the US Census Per Capita income demographic studies and you will see the Asian Population as the highest earners, followed by White, Hispanic, Black. Look at any of the Tier-1 Universities in America, it will be almost impossible to bump into an Asian.

Disadvantaged? Go Spew your $hit somewhere else, any Asian should be embarrassed by your comments.

Oh and your comment about the Police, riiiiighttt because Asians are so profiled and assumed to be criminals, give me a break! The only time I see a cop breaking an Asians balls is if they drive those illegal rice-rockets 95mph down the freeway and good for them.
This isn't France.

P.S. Oh yeah, Asians,as a percentage of the population, are minority populous in the US CJ system, but of course if they were so mis-treated by the police, this would be so.

You said :"Are you game, are you ready to team up with your Native Canadian Brothers up there? Im quite sure American Asians will be smart enough to be on my team."

American Asians are smart enough to take advantage of the opportunities afforded to them in America, which they have and hopefully will continue to do so in the future. There is no reason to dissent because they are NOT being taken advantage of, presumably like you said in Canada and France, but are rewarded for their hard-work and value minded family structure.

That is why America is so great! Now go have fun with your 1/2 @ssed health-care system and idiotic tax rate, we don't want any part of it.