Revealed: Audi's 450 HP RS5 Steps Out Of The Shadow With A Twin Turbo V8

Nice but it will be overpriced like all Audis.

Don't be surprised if this vehicle cost close to $100,000.

Look at it this way. In order for Audi to build a car that performs on the same level as the competing BMW, The Audi has to cost $3k-$15k more than the BMW. Audi by far offers the worse Bang-for-the-buck. I'd just get an M3 and save the $15,000.

"Did you read? It says it will start at around 48,000 pounds. That's cheaper than the 51,000 pound M3 coupe."

- Did that number come from Audi? Also, US pricing is always different from UK pricing.

"Did you read? It says it will start at around 48,000 pounds. That's cheaper than the 51,000 pound M3 coupe."

- Did that number come from Audi? Also, US pricing is always different from UK pricing. So you cant really use those numbers for US shoppers. And how much is 51,000 pounds converted of to US dollars? Its around $81,000. M3 coupes and sedans do not cost $81,000 here in the US.

The S4 is still the most expensive car in its class. Perhaps justifiably so but still the most expensive none-the-less.

I’ve been an Audi fan since 1998. It’s just that they haven’t really produced anything that gets me excited that cost less than $80k in about 7 years tt not withstanding (The tt is over due for a redesign though). The Current A5/S5 doesn’t do it for me (too chunky looking). The Current A4’s are too slow, expensive and generic looking. The S4 is faster than the A4 but still suffers from the A4’s generic looking design.

Lexsucks- In the US the Audi is actually the better value. Here is the proof:

2010 BMW 335xi $56,100 with Premium Sport and Cold weather Pkgs, Nav, shades, comfort key, IPOD adaptor, Sirius, Alarm, Park Distance Control.

2010 Audi S4 $53,900 with Prestige Pkg and shades. You actually get alot more equipment with the S4 over the 335 as well. Include the $740 for maintenance from Audi and you are at $54,640 for a bigger, faster and much more luxurious car.

Clearly the S4 is the better buy! I havent even started to discuss fit and finish, interior quality, safety ratings... etc.

I didn't realize that the 335xi was up in the $56s. But I do think that you are comparing the price of a fully loaded BMW against a lightly loaded S4. Add the twin-clutch transmission, NAV, Active ride control, And the S4 will hit $60K. And also, the BMW offer free maintenance for the first 4 years 50k miles. Audi doesn't.

Now getting back to the S4. The S4 has more features than the 335xi and is the better car IMO. It's just that the S4 looks a little dull for the type of vehicle it is.

The S4 was supposed to be my next car but when I saw that It looked exacly like an A4 S-Line I ran away from it.

The Prestige Pkg on the S4 includes NAV and this is with the Dual clutch Tranny. As far as the active ride control the BMW doesnt have anything even close to the Audi Drive Select so I didnt put it on there. If you read my post again I included the $740 for Audi Maintenance to compete with the BMW maintenance being included.

Whether or not you like the styling of the S4 is irrelevant to the better value. I think the S4 is a MUCH better looking car than the 335 or than the M3 for that sake.

The bottom line is that the pricing of the S4 is lower than the 335.

Talk about bias. S4, lets try and attempt to be objective when throwing figures around.

An S4 with every option (except Audi drive select) costs above 60k. Just did it on their website. You have to tick just about every box on the 335xi to get it above 60k. I don't see a price advantage.

Much more luxurious? More features? Really?. They both have almost completely comparable features. Please clarify.

Looks - again, your opinion. I think they are both great looking cars, and most agree. And performance/fun-to-drive? Again, the 335i has a near perfect reputation in that class.

henbmw- so you went to the website and checked on the following options to get the S4 over $60k- Adaptive Cruise (not on a BMW)- sport differential (not on a BMW)- Driver assist pkg (not on a BMW)

And you accuse me of "throwing" figures around? I think you need to actualy research what are in the packages like I did and compare apples to apples.

As far as luxury, when you sit in both and feel the quality of the materials used in both you will notice the difference. The Audi has a better interior quality and better layout. Exterior wise look at the tail lights on any 3 series, they dont even line up correctly. Pop the hood and see if the underside is finished. Open the doors and notice the hooks screwed into the doors to keep the from flying open in an impact. I can go on and on.

Features wise: The S4 has the following advantages to the 335xi- 3D mapping and better voice commands- split fold down rear seats- Full IPOD interface into the MMI system not just an input jack- aluminum suspension (BMW uses steel on the xi models)- lower ride height (BMW raises the ride height by 10mm on their xi models)- Back up camera- LED lighting in front and tailight lighting for 2010- etc.

Here are just a few examples of why the S4 is clearly a better value

S4 fanatic - I driven both cars & will admit that the S4 is a good value. Do I think it is a better car than the 335xi? Not to me. The handling of the BMW is tighter, unless you get the adaptive drive on the Audi. If not, the BMW is tighter and feels more in unison with the driver. The Aud, without the enhanced drive, still has a numb nose heavy feeling.

From a performance area it is a dead heat. The last comparison with Car & Driver had both at 4.9 seconds to 60. With the Audi quicker to 120 mph from a standstill, but the BMW faster when rolling. The BMW also outhandled the Audi, even with the upgrade drive system on the Audi. You mention the $740 for Maintenance, but that is just schedule maintenance & includes only Oil Services. It doesnt include the Brake pads & rotors, wiper blades, air filter replacements, & Inspections.

Inside the Audi is layed out pretty nice. It still has alot of plastics inside that look alot less nice than the BMW. The Nav screens, both have 3-d mapping.

Did you even actually look at both cars or just make judgements based on what you read?

BMW4me- Yes I have driven both cars. I disagree with the handling feel you experienced with the 335xi. I would agree the 335 has that feel but it is lost in my opinion with the x drive. I think the S4 even without the Audi Drive Select has a tighter feel than the xi bimmer. The "nose heavy" days of the A4 and S4 have been dramatically improved with the new platform.

The $740 maintenance DOES include the inspections. You are correct that it does not include the brake pads or wiper blades like the BMW maintenance does.

The S4 is a much bigger car so the fact that the performance numbers are similar is impressive. And when I refer to bigger it is because I have spent time in both cars not just because it is 3" wider and 5" longer on paper. It actually has a very usable back seat for adults and a more comfortable width in the drivers area.

people who buy rs models dont care about the price fool. people still bought the rs4. same shit! also audis interiors are far superior than bmws. audis are also safer than bmw's. by the way the rs5 looks more slick and more handsome than the m3. the motor on the rs5 will sound much more aggressive than the m3 as well, if you wanna compare v8 to v8..

Out of the shadow into the fog... can they bring it out in the sun? Now as for the car itself, it looks great and good numbers too.

It also doesn't look any more visually appealing than a regular A5 S-Line. I thought the "RS" models were supposed to be more aggressive with their styling (flared fenders/brake calipers that looks the part/Premium wheels, etc...).

I'm not too sure about Audi's new direction of making thier top-of-the-line cars visually identical to cars that cost over $20,000 less. I'm sorry but at that price premium there should be more of a visual distinction between the cheapest model, and the most expensive model (other than dual-sided twin tipped exhaust pipes).

The S5/S4? I'll give them a pass (Still not sure what the significance of the S4's "S" badge is since it competes with a regular non "M" 3-series model. But that's a different story). But The RS4 should look the part. This one looks like an A5 S-line. An A5 S-line that costs $90k.

If there is one thing that Audi is good at? That’s getting people to pay more for less. They can keep it.

A $50 Timex watch has more features than a $5000 Rolex. Does this mean the Rolex is rubbish? And the timex glows in the dark so it looks more visually appealing to those who don't know any better.

"A $50 Timex watch has more features than a $5000 Rolex. Does this mean the Rolex is rubbish? And the timex glows in the dark so it looks more visually appealing to those who don't know any better."

- Rolex/Timex? I’m talking about the same brand AUDI. Not 2 different brands (like your analogy).

Your analogy doesn't apply to what I said. Nice try.

What I was saying was that the past AUDI "RS" models differentiated themselves from the regular versions with extended wheel arches/Wider tracks, etc... The past AUDI RS models looked the part. This one doesn't. This one looks like an A5 S-Line. It's just "Another increasingly dull Audi offering" like someone commented in the article.

"Your analogy doesn't apply to what I said. Nice try."

What about your "Bang for the buck" comment at the top of this thread? It's your own opinion and it's obviously biased. Please stop trying to be the authority on Audis when you are obviously biased against them.

"What about your "Bang for the buck" comment at the top of this thread? It's your own opinion and it's obviously biased. Please stop trying to be the authority on Audis when you are obviously biased against them."

- What about it? What does that have to do with the point that I just made above. The car pictured doesn't continue the tradition that AUDI has set with all of THIER past "RS" models. You don't have to be biased or an expert to see that.

As for my Bang-for-the-buck comment. I'll stand by it until I'm proven wrong. You have to always pay more for an Audi to get equivalent performance. I'm not biased against Audi. I used to own one. It's just that I'm able to see when they are rolling out dull looking vehicles and attempting to pass them off as "RS" models. Like now. But for some reason I feel that this will not be the actual "RS" model. If so? Then Audi is hurting.

I'm getting deboosted but not a single counterpoint. LOL!!

LexSucks - here goes a counter point, this is obviously not an "RS". yes it has the "RS" front facia and wheels but this is still a test mule like we've been seeing for some time now.

"LexSucks - here goes a counter point, this is obviously not an "RS". yes it has the "RS" front facia and wheels but this is still a test mule like we've been seeing for some time now."

- Are you sure of that? I'm not sure how extended wheel arches would work with the A5's design? Why put on an RS front-end and not do anything else? unless the RS's front-end is all it will get. Which I think the case will be. I can't imagine an S5 with extended fender flares. Flares do not seem to be compatible with the S5's current design. We'll see I guess.

If this is RS power I might as well get the S6 which has the same power with a V10.

People, you obviously DON'T see that this car is MISSING the usual 'RS' styling cues. For example:

1) This car does NOT have wider fender flares like the RS4/RS6 etc.

2) The rear bumper is the same as the regular S5 whereas the RS models have a more aggressive one

3) The brakes will be bigger

4) The exhaust will be Audi's dual oval exhaust not the quad setup shown here

yea ur right.

"People, you obviously DON'T see that this car is MISSING the usual 'RS' styling cues. For example:

1) This car does NOT have wider fender flares like the RS4/RS6 etc.

2) The rear bumper is the same as the regular S5 whereas the RS models have a more aggressive one

3) The brakes will be bigger

4) The exhaust will be Audi's dual oval exhaust not the quad setup shown here"

- We have a winner. I can't believe that folks here would be willing to accept that as a true "RS" model? It isn't. And if it were then Audi has let the "RS" series go to crap. I'm not surprised. Audi turned a car that once competed against the M3, into a car that competes with non "M" run-of-the-mill 3-series. But Audi still calls the vehicle an "S4" (Not sure what the significance of the "S" badge is but whatever). The same thing seems to be happening with the "RS" models.

When it comes to model designation and product placement Audi Of America doesn't have a clue.

If that is the new "RS5", then the "RS" series have seriously gone downhill.

This is it?? NO EFFEN WAY!!

This is NOT the RS5, not even close!

See my post above for all the RS design elements this car is missing.

I'm laughing at the lack of wider fender flares and dual oval exhaust pipes as well as the same rear bumper as the S5.

Nice try AutoExpress, but any Audi enthusiast knows this isn't even remotely close to the RS5 except for the front end.

Some people here are retarded and will believe and accept anything that is told to them.

I'll have to see it, BMW still a weak precision tool...I wish they can put the current engine of the X6M on the M3....but I would like to see the weight of that engine cause most of high performance engines of BMW are heavy even if they are small, so may be that engine could not be a good option for the M3. Audi RS5 will be a great AWD and if BMW could do and AWD M3, that could be very interesting compare, I think that Audi lead the segment of AWD.

What makes you think that Audis Twin-Turbo V8 (the engine in the RS5) will not be heavy? It's a V8 (which are always heavy), and has 2 Turbos which also add weight. I'm not sure why you think a V8 that has 2 turbos is lighter than a V8 that doesn't have any turbos? Please Explain.

Audi's may lead the segment in AWD but they aren't anywhere close to having the most advanced AWD systems. Both Subaru and Mitsubishi have better all wheel drive systems than Audi.

No answer Yonder7? Just a deboost. LOL!!

Bottom Line: This is NOTHING CLOSE to the actual RS5.

The RS5 will look MUCH different (ie. wider fender flares, more aggressive rear bumper, bigger brakes, dual oval exhaust tips)

LexSucks you are a MORON. Audi knows that BMW has the 335i and then the M3. Audi simply brought the S4's price down to be MUCH closer to the 335i's than the M3's and accordingly gave the S4 slightly better performance than the 335i.

Audi will not water-down their RS-lineup because if they did they would not have a BMW 'M' competitor. Obviously Audi is getting more aggressive with the pricing and horsepower ratings of its RS-lineup of vehicles (RS4 with 420 horsepower when the M3 had 333 and RS6 with 580 horsepower when the M5 has 500)..... clearly NOT watering them down.

"LexSucks you are a MORON. Audi knows that BMW has the 335i and then the M3. Audi simply brought the S4's price down to be MUCH closer to the 335i's than the M3's and accordingly gave the S4 slightly better performance than the 335i."

- Then what is the significance of the "S" badge on the Audi S4?

Rather that de-boost me, how about an answer?

Audi Fans, What is the significance of the "S" badge on the Audi S4?

LexSucks - Audi used to use the "S" as an "M" competitor in the U.S. years ago but as time went on and the "M" and "AMG" got more aggressive Audi decided to bring the "RS" to the states. now they are slowly transitionig the "S" into a mid grade competitor. get it now?

"LexSucks - Audi used to use the "S" as an "M" competitor in the U.S. years ago but as time went on and the "M" and "AMG" got more aggressive Audi decided to bring the "RS" to the states. now they are slowly transitionig the "S" into a mid grade competitor. get it now?"

- transistioning the "S" into a midrange competitor? I'm sorry but Audi should have just called the new S4 the A4. Other than a dual exhaust setup they are visually the same. Exactly like the difference between the BMW 328 and the 335i. By using Audis Logic, BMW could have called the 335 an M3. But BMW is smart enough to give the "M" designation to cars that are visually and mechanically different than the standard cars. Audi chose not to to that with the "S4". At least from a visual standpoint.

I'm still of the opinion that Audi is clueless when it comes to model designation.

LexSucks - how many engines does bmw use in the 3 series excluding the "M"? why is it a problem if audi does the same but use different badge designations?

The problem is the 110+hp difference between the A4 and the S4. What about the folks who are ready to trade in their B7 A4 3.2? They either have to purchase a much more expensive, high performance vehicle (which is probably not what they want. remember the purchased a 265hp A4), Or a lower power buzzy 4-cylinder 2.0t. Audi has limited the choices. How many times do I have to say that?

Question: What is the significance of the "S" badge on the Audi S4?

Answer: Sport - The Audi S4 outperforms the BMW 335i - check any comparison test done by Auto Motor und Sport, Evo, etc.

You are an IDIOT LexSucks if you think Audi will water-down their RS lineup of vehicles especially when I gave you clear evidence that Audi is clearly making their RS cars even more competitive in terms of horsepower and performance.

"Answer: Sport - The Audi S4 outperforms the BMW 335i - check any comparison test done by Auto Motor und Sport, Evo, etc."

- So Audi needs a special designation while the others (BMW) don't? Audi is the master of perception. Throw an "S" badge on it. And have it compete against cars whose manufacturers didn't feel the need to give a lower model some sort of bogus "S" designation.


"You are an IDIOT LexSucks if you think Audi will water-down their RS lineup of vehicles especially when I gave you clear evidence that Audi is clearly making their RS cars even more competitive in terms of horsepower and performance."

- Idoit. LOL! I dont know about that. What I do know is that the S4 is now going after regular 3-series models when before they used to go after (compete) with M3s. Audi brought the S4 downscale. Why is it such a reach to think that they will do the same with the RS models.

LexSucks,

You seem to be a master of marketing based on your comments. Why don't you impart some of your marketing wisdom on BMW since their sales numbers could obviously use some help. What exactly is your complaint about Audi? In this thread alone you've mentioned that Audis are overpriced. That their styling is not aggressive enough. That they underperform. That their model designations are wrong. Well guess what? Audi is doing just fine. And no it's not because of deceptive marketing. It's because of their compelling product. If you're having a hard time accepting that fact, then that's your problem.

Audi is doing fine?

So is Toyota. That doesn't mean I have to like them.

No you don't have to like them. Just stop pushing your personal opinions as facts. State your opinion and move on. You have not convinced anyone here with your pointless arguments.

What personal opinion am I trying to push as facts? And when did your opinion become fact?

Just because someone disagrees with you, doesn't mean that they are trying to push their opinions as facts. And it doesn't mean that they should "move on".

I'm also not trying to convince anyone. I'm just stating my reasons why I think that Audis just seem to be a little Dull these days. And you know which cars usually sell the most? You got it... the Dull cars. Look at Toyota. If you don’t like hearing that then that’s your business.

Here's are a few facts. They're are folks that love Audis, and they are folks that believe that Audi's lower priced offering are getting a bit dull.

Don’t get me wrong, they’re Audis that I do like. I like the R8 just like the next guy. But the current A4? blah.. S4 is better but at 98% visually identical to a jazzed up A4, I'd pick something else.

LexSucks: If you realy need an expalnation for the "S" please do not write about cars, second: Most of Audis are heavier cause they are Quatro, But not for the engine. For the records the 4.0 V8 of the M3 is 2 Kilograms heavier than the 6.2 AMG V8, (So materials in the AMG should Be light and very advanced cause it have a lot of power and torque), In general performance it will be stupid to compare the 6.2 AMG with the Bimmer, enough to say that Audi and Mercedes Benz have more experience than BMW using Turbos. Lets wait till the car is out to avoid the speculation...Let me give you some videos to enjoy, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7AedCGrnjk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQOqLMHzBtk
I hope you drive a King of the tracks (BMW) cause the King of the Road (MB) is for more expirienced drivers, in fact it is too dangeros for you if you turn of Nanny.....and remmenber, to drive too hard your bimmer cause you can damage the engine or trans if you are drifting, try it in wet and be careful cause the coupes BMW are very light but also have Marginal protection in impact tests....Have nice day..

"LexSucks: If you realy need an expalnation for the "S" please do not write about cars, "

- I was able to understand what the "S" stood for when they competed against the BMW "M"s. Now I'm not sure what the "S" is about since it competes with cars that don't carry a special badge.


"second: Most of Audis are heavier cause they are Quatro,"

- Among other things. Quattro or not. Audis are not known for thier light weight.


"But not for the engine. For the records the 4.0 V8 of the M3 is 2 Kilograms heavier than the 6.2 AMG V8, (So materials in the AMG should Be light and very advanced cause it have a lot of power and torque), In general performance it will be stupid to compare the 6.2 AMG with the Bimmer,"

-It would also be stupid to compare a $150,000 vehicle against a $75,000 vehicle.


"Lets wait till the car is out to avoid the speculation...Let me give you some videos to enjoy,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7AedCGrnjk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQOqLMHzBtk"

- Cant really watch the vids now. But I'm sure that they are nice


"and remmenber, to drive too hard your bimmer cause you can damage the engine or trans if you are drifting,"

- What are your sources for this information?


"try it in wet and be careful cause the coupes BMW are very light but also have Marginal protection in impact tests....Have nice day.. "

-Again, Where did you get this info from? An Audi fan board?

Of course Audi executives would want to leave a gaping hole in their product lineup and therefore they will water-down the RS-cars to compete with '550'-badged BMWs.

You truly are a MORON, LexSucks.

"Of course Audi executives would want to leave a gaping hole in their product lineup and therefore they will water-down the RS-cars to compete with '550'-badged BMWs."


- Are you an Audi product planner? Why wouldn't they water down the "RS" models? They watered down the S4.

As for gaping holes. Audi has always left gaping holes in their line-up. Next year Audi will have a 211Hp A4 2.0t, and the next (A4/S4) model after that is the 330+ hp S4. Is that not a "gaping hole"? LOL!!

Next!!

LexSucks - you've got to be kidding me. would you like audi to put out another 4 cylinder with 250hp? or maybe 5 cylinder? what is this gaping hole you speak of?

"LexSucks - you've got to be kidding me. would you like audi to put out another 4 cylinder with 250hp? or maybe 5 cylinder? what is this gaping hole you speak of?"

- The gaping hole I'm speaking of is the 110hp difference between the A4 2.0 and the next model up, the S4. Most manufacturer's models have about a 50hp difference between the next powerful engine. Even Audi.

Audi went from having a 211hp A4 to the 265hp v6 A4 (53hp difference) last year. Now Audi goes from the 211hp A4 to the 330+ hp S4 (110+hp difference) no in between. What about the A4 3.2 owners that want to replace their car? They would either be forced to get a high performance, more expensive car (which they weren't looking for), or a less powerful buzy 4 cylinder A4 2.0t? Audi has left a large hole and lessened the choices.

LexSucks - audi has a 4 cylinder and a 6 cylinder. what's the problem? bmw has 2 6 cylinders, of course their hp is going to be closer. audi is dropping the 3.2 litre engine if you didn't know.

S4 is not to compite with M3 ....RS4 is for the M3...but in fact I think is better than the M3 cause it is Quatro, If you just put RWD on the RS4, it would be faster in the road or any track than the M3, In fact is not a fair comparation..lets wait till BMW learn to do a M3 AWD or till Audi degrade the RS4 to have only RWD...then that will be an smart even compartion.

When the Audi B5 S4 was first released it competed and beat the M3's that were out at the time. In fact, with a chip and exhuast it would destroy an M3. Those were the days.

And the RS4 will not beat an M3. The RS4's has had the same design for a while now and can't beat the current M3. The next generation RS4 will probably be able to do it. But the RS4 that is out now (based on the B7 A4). Will not beat an M3. Keep dreaming

The Audi S4 is priced EXTREMELY close to the BMW 335i (in fact there is less than a $3K difference between the two). The M3 is at least $7K more than the S4.

I think we can all tell that the Audi S4 competes with BMW's 335i and NOT the BMW M3. There is simply WAY TOO LARGE of a price gap between the BMW M3 and the Audi RS4.

Audi needs an "S" modeled car to compete with a BMW that doesn't have any such designation? Why is that?

Audi isn't used to BMW level performace. When they do reach BMW level performance they have to give the car a special name (and charge you more for it).

Funny thing is that BMW doesn't think that the 335/S4's level of performance is worthy of an special designation. Just plain ol' 335i is good enough for them. BMW saves the "M" designation for cars that perform like an "M". Not for cars that perform like the 335i/s4

If you want an Audi that performs as good as a BMW, get ready to pay more for the Audi than the BMW. That extra money also gets you a useless Bogus "S" badge in the case of the B8 S4.

"Audi needs an "S" modeled car to compete with a BMW that doesn't have any such designation? Why is that?"

why is this such an issue? who really cares about a letter or a number? now that audi is cutting models (no more 2 engines in an A4) it's a problem with you. it is what it is, dude, get over it.

"why is this such an issue? who really cares about a letter or a number? now that audi is cutting models (no more 2 engines in an A4) it's a problem with you. it is what it is, dude, get over it."

- Who cares about a letter or a number? Everyone does. Would you want the new Audi S4 to be called an A2? Or would you want the A4 2.0t to be called the "RS4"? Model designation is important. More so for folks who don't have a clue. For people who do know, they can see right through the Bogus S4 badge. I feel sorry for the folks who don't. That's why Audi has resorted to using misleading Model names, the more people that dont care the better. I'm glad I'm not like that.

LexSucks - for the most part it's just like you said, "More so for folks who don't have a clue". i would put an A2 badge on my S4. most enthusiasts (such as myself) could care less, obviously, you aren't an automobile enthusiast, bmw maybe but not automobile.

"LexSucks - for the most part it's just like you said, "More so for folks who don't have a clue". i would put an A2 badge on my S4."

- Why would you put an A2 badge on your S4? What purpose would that serve?


"most enthusiasts (such as myself) could care less, obviously, you aren't an automobile enthusiast, bmw maybe but not automobile."

-That fact that you are willing to mislabel your vehicle doesn't make you and enthusiast. Would you put a Toyota Badge on your S4?

And who are you to say if I'm an enthusiast? I own a 1000cc Sport bike for Christ-sakes. (A sport bike that does 0-145mph in 9.79 seconds out of the box). I also own one of those Rally-Bred, Japanese Turbo-charged sedans. Just because someone doesn't like Audi doesn't make them a Non-Enthusiasts. And I’m not a BMW enthusiast. BMW suck in areas just like Audi does (in other areas). There was a time I preferred Audi to BMW. Not anymore.

LexSucks - i said that because you act like it makes no sense what they are doing (audi) not because you don't like audi. when bmw sells 2 6 cylinders (which makes less sense to me) you weren't saying anything about that.

BMW sells 2 6 cylinder engines. Correct. One is a Turbo, the other one isn't. they are 2 completely different engines with 2 different power outputs. The BMW engines are about a step apart in performance (238hp vs 300hp) The Audi engines are 2 steps apart (211hp Vs 330hp).

I'll say this for the third time in this thread. What about the B7 3.2 owner looking to replace their A4? They would have to choose between a high perfomance car, or a Buzzy lower powered 4 Cylinder A4 2.0t. Neither car doesn't match the vehicle that they had before.

Now if a owner of say a 2005 330i were to trade in their car, they could go up to 300hp (335i) from the 268hp 330i, or down to 238hp (328i). Both are closer to what the 330i owner had than what Audi offers to the A4 3.2 owner.

Audi needs a vehicle to bridge the gap between the 211hp (not so high perfomance) buzzy 2.0t and the 330+hp (high perfomance) S4. Doesn't anyone here agree with this?

A4 shoppers only have one choice now. The buzzy 2.0t. What if they wanted a smooth V6? this year Audi had the 3.2, in 2010 they wont. An A4 owner looking for a V6 would have to look at a car that may be overkill and more than what they need price-wise, and power-wise. But hey.. Audi knows what its doing.

Considering the BMW M3 is at least 3 years newer than the B7 RS4, the M3 should be able to beat the RS4, and it does.

Likewise, the B8 RS4 (likely with 450+ horsepower V8, ADS, and Sport Differential) will trump the BMW M3 and the cycle of one-upping the fellow German competitors will continue.

I was just correcting a disillutioned Audi Fan who said that the current RS4 outperforms the current M3. You see what I'm up against?

Regarding the surce of information: USA Goverment....http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/ about safety.... regarding the power of the AMG engines..just talk to anyone in Forums about drifting...and most of Bimmers owners won't try their cars in that fun cause you know the regular problems of the high reving engines from Bimmer..weak torque..no good for driting to long. BTW...I am 100% sure I'll love the new M5...with a real engine (smaller, lighter, stronger and faster than the v10) there is only one thing that I will miss from the V10....It is the wonderful sound.

LexSucks: Regarding the videos, enjoy, your Bimmer wins on track... >;-)

I'm not really a Bimmer fan anymore. I used to be but not anymore. The same can be said for Audi.

twin turbo V8? chip manufacturers, start your engines!

I see 600 hp in the near future and lots of blown trannys

in fact this article blows trannys

I'm not a fan of the twin-turbos. I have a brand new 535i Xdrive, and I hate the slight hesitation from stand still. It doesn't happen all the time, but it does happen about 75% of the time. It doesn't matter if I put it into sport mode. At any rate, I would still prefer the M3's non-turbo V8 over this.

Those front side air intakes look like they came straight from a Gallardo, which isn't a bad thing.

This is rare,but I agree with lexsucks. Audi's are overpriced,and most of them DO underperform. I think that they look much better than the competition and that is whats helping with sales.

i like audi's, i think they are excellent cars, and on 2 seperate occasions i tried getting one over a bmw and couldnt because they price quotes are outrageous ( for my budget)
just last month they quoted me 840 a month for an s4 vs 715 a month ( lease ) on a 335xi
i was willing to spend 900 a month for an S5 they said it would be 1000 a month. and for 830 they would give me an A5.
again audi's are beautiful but alittle overpriced. ( no free maintanence doesnt exactly thrill me either)

i dont know about the new s4 but you are all saying that the s4 beats the 335 in performance. does it are you sure? the v8 s4/s5 didnt beat the 335 in performance. I wanted and s5 in january car was loaded 59k they wanted 1000 a month for it so i got the m3 convert for 770 a month which had a sticker of 77900. so audi is way off on pricing. the bmw and the audi are both amazing cars depends what you like why be so biased on your opinions there are pros and cons of each. imo if your going to lease audi is way off on their pricing, they probably dont want them back but if you buy it the prices are close.

is twin turbo official? I heard before that the engine would be NA and simply a tuned RS4 engine. And how does a twin turbo warrant only a 50hp increase?

Cheaper or not this Audi's a BEAST.