2010 Porsche 911 Turbo sets a new record at Nurburgring

Porsche = ultimate sports car!

Enough said.

its ok ppl. its only a matter of time till the GT-R beats it again

Enough said. Porsche needs to come up w/ a mid-engined turbo car to get it back, though I highly doubted if VW would: "Show me the money!"

"its ok ppl. its only a matter of time till the GT-R beats it again"

- Providing that the GT-R's tranmission lasts :-)

"It simply smashed the record of its predecessor by 10 seconds, completing the German circuit in 7m 39sec. Still, the record is far away from the 7m 27.56sec of the Nissan GT-R."

Press the read button you idiots.

see. that is a what Porsche should have done when GT-R post new record last year, instead of doubting GT-R's credibility and make a fool out of themselves.

The last one ran the ring in 7:39 according to most sources, so a 10 sec improvement would bring that time to 7:29 not 7:38! I don't get it!
You still have to respect Nissan for making a comparable car and selling it half the price... Oh wait they're actually losing money on every GT-R they sell because they sell it for less than it actually costs. They're apparently integrating the deficit into their marketing budget. If you take into account the fact that Porsche makes too much money on their cars, being the most profitable manufacturer, bare none, I'd say that in a normal situation they would have more comparable pricing.

You are right. The time for the 2009 911 Turbo is 7:38 seconds. So if it's 10 seconds faster it would be 7:28. Nice accomplishment. All the Porsche's tested professionally have recorded awesome times and Porsches are all over the board on the top of the charts. The GT-R has done great times as well with obviously different skilled drivers as it's very apparent.

anybody know what Autocar's lap time for the GTR is?

I thought Porsche fans said it was impossible to be that much better.

I don't always agree with you, but on this one, you nailed the fanboys... LMFAO!!!

Ok I like Porsche...granted the Cayman S with a limited slip and 19 inch wheels will out handle a 911 Turbo.
My Suggested improvements to Turbo...
More aggressive front air dame
Dual moved more front Li-Ion batteries up front to improve weight Distribution
Make Paddle Shifters Standard
Make rear assembly of car out of aluminum like a reverse Audi TT
Use an active spoiler controlling airflow of the front of the car reducing lift/float at higher speeds.
Full Sized Spare tire will improve weight distribution to front with jack.
Ditch rear seats and have the back pop open like it can in the targa and cayman and use that as storage to offset full sized front tire taking up front trunk, make assembly aluminum.
Add lighter weight titanium springs for suspension
Lengthen wheelbase 2-3 inches for better high speed stability
Widen Front track matching GT3 RS dimensions with fatter 245MM front tires.
Then you will ahve a proper Freakin turbo for 135,000 bucks!

fortunately, you're not a Porsche engineer

If I was a Porsche engineer with freedom to do whatever I want to redesign the 911 this is what I would do. I would pull out the carpet rear seats. Move the engine forward thus keeping the weight of the car the same without heavy counter weights that increase the polar moment of inertia of the car... (polar moment reduces the cars response time and makes the vehicle feel sluggish/heavy).

Redo the headlights, bring over Audi led's and make slit styled lights and hopefully remove that ugly frog face. (this isn't so much of an engineering feat however as it is a personal taste thing).

To the under body I would create an air diffuser path allowing for increased down force without the addition of ugly fixed wings or expensive variable geometry wings.

For the suspension I would revolutionize motor sports by incorporating small hydraulic cylinders to actively control suspension (9 cylinders to control ride height, cross weights, camber, caster, and to a small degree track width). With these, anti roll bars could be ditched to help counter the weight increases.

For the engine I would install a fuel economy knob on the dashboard. Adjusting it will vary everything from timing, to fuel ratios, to turbine geometry. Allowing the car to achieve 30+ mpg when adjusted to fuel economy, and allow the car to get 550+ hp when performance is wanted.

I never understood why the GT-R is even compared to the Porsche Turbo. The Turbo is almost "soft" for a Porsche and almost a "GT car". In my opinion the different variants of the Porsche GT3 are far more comparable to the GT-R.

Because in NA form Porsche can never match the lap time of GT-R. Vice versa, GT-R can never match effect of throttle from NA engine on driving dynamic.

Solution: 9000 rpm engine from Ferrari, and LEXUS.

Plus Mazda, if they can finalize development of that wanker engine while surviving.

I don't know if this new turbo is faster around the 'ring than the GTR because the 7:39 time is Porsche's own time and the best that Porsche drivers could do with the GTR is in the high 7:40's. So until both cars are on the track at the same time with the same driver, it's apples and oranges. Whatever the real numbers for the cars are, I do know the Porsche will do its number reliably each time.

I would take the Porsche 911 Turbo anyday of the week and twice on Sunday over the Nissan.

You people that choose the GT-R must keed, no?

It's like which watch do I choose, an IWC or a Citizen?

Sure. Enjoy your ride slowly.

Race any 911 against a GT-R around the 'Ring for 12 hours straight with only stops for refueling and I'm pretty certain the GT-R will start falling apart before the last lap. All 911's, not just the GT3, can be tracked without any problems and then driven home afterwards. Yes, the GT-R is quite an achievement for its price point, but this did not come for "free" (even though it is being sold at a loss), there were corners cut to get to this price point. The 911 on the other hand was manufactured to a standard not a price, so they build it "right". But if all you have is $70K-$80K, and want an "exotic", the GT-R is the way too go, however, not exactly a car you can use as an every day driver like a base 911 could be.

Dude you can't make race assumptions about quality since that is not scientific

Nice lap time, but the GT-R still reigns over it. Can't wait fort he Spec-V version!

And what's wrong with my engineering? The other guy wants 9 hydrological servers controlling 4 shocks! lol

to be fair, it's 9 per wheel and it's adjusting the geometry of both the upper and lower a-arms.

Funny how this article is about Porsche- not Nissan. Yet we all know this is bait for the 911 vs. GTR war.

Both cars are awesome and we are fortunate to have both. That being said the new 911 will premiere before the next GTR and I would bet my first born it will whip some GTR ass.....

Only possible when it's above 570 hp.
911 has wrong engine location to start with. Porsche doesn't want to change it for the sake of making money. One day Porsche will come up with another line positioned over 911 to get it fixed and win it back from GT-R.
I'll stick to Cayman.

whip some GTR ass? For twice the price it better. For the people that say GTR loses money have no clue what they are saying. Every car maker loses money these days. But thankfully for the people that wanted to crack on Obama have him and his administration to thank for turning the stock markets around. Yeah Dow Jones closed above 10,000 for the first time in over a year. The GTR already beats the Porsche in lap times acceleration and roadholding in almost every comparison test. But somehow it's losing against the porsche? Ok, next topic.

"The GTR already beats the Porsche in lap times acceleration and roadholding in almost every comparison test. But somehow it's losing against the porsche?"

- Maybe because Nissan voids the warranty the second the car is taken to a race track. Porsche doesn't do that crap. The Nissan is nice, but very frail.

For twice the price you get a nice performing sports car with a badge filed with racing history and success. Let's be realistic here: someone who wants a Porsche WANTS a Porsche and is willing to pay for the badge.

Using your logic of pricing it is a downright shame that the cheaper GT-R whoops a Rolls Royce Phantom in performance...

The GT-R being sold less than what it actually costs has nothing to do with the economy. it's all about brand image and value to the customer. Very very few would have initially paid Porsche money for the GT-R simply because outside of the Skyline cult -quite scarce-, Nissan has nothing as far as supercars go. On the contrary, Porsche charges what it does to sell you the badge, as well as the car. This is not to say that Porsches are not excellent, but their badge is also worth a lot.
consider this; at a Porsche dealer, most people sign the order before even seeing the actual car they are buying, just like at Ferrari and Lamborghini and some others. At Nissan, in general, you test drive, you get the whole extensive works and then some kind of incentive, and then they nervously (hyperbole) wait for you to decide whether or not you want to buy!

why would anyone call you stupid? it's a great car. but so is the GT-R. and the days when people payed premium for a badge and prestige are pretty much over. in the future prestige and brand will be mostly irrelevant. the days of excess are coming to an end

Did anyone tell Nissans Godzilla yet about this?

I have a movie that DumamoR will love - Capitalism by Michael Moore. You'll enjoy the "days of excess coming to an end" theme.

Unfortunately, in our capitalistic society there will be people like Timzilla and I who can afford Porsches and choose to drive the best. Even in a socialistic society, not all can drive Porsches, that's why the GTR exists for the downtrodden peasants.