McLaren's Ron Dennis On MP4-12C: "We’re going to be best in class"

You're turning that to Ferrari basically, while every MFR tries not to, at least for the looks.

Than you'll be left with a F430.

Now this... this car pawns the LFL

MP4 12C vs LF-L
600hp vs 560hp
443ftlbs vs 354ftlbs
2866lbs vs 3263lbs
$250,000 vs $375,000
7 speed vs 6 speed
Dual Clutch vs Single Clutch
2 turbo's vs no forced induction
3.8L vs 4.8L
8500rpm vs 9000rpm
mid engine vs front engine

So aside from 500rpm this Mclaren has this Lexus beat in every measurable regard I see possible. Also, it might be interesting to note that "the whole Carbon Monocell weighs in at only 176 lbs, second, it's done in one piece and only takes four hours to build, which is on par with or faster than steel frames take"

Joe, you've been deboosted by the ToyLex fanboy club !

You know... people that called themselve "Thrutpursuit" "downtoearth" and "nobullshit" ...

So ironic

Not just LEXUS. They have MB, Porsche, Ferrari beat as well. So your point is? That those 3 are crap?

One thing for sure, LEXUS and Ferrari's 9000 rpm NA engine owns McL's TT 3.8 V6.

shows what you know... you think the Mclaren's v8 with more power and torque is a v6 with less performance...

Ron Dennis knows how to have a good time with pit lane babes, ask Max Mosley.

And Flavio ...

So far the best one is 458, we'll see.

MP4-12C seems mighty impressive and looks like will be a benchmark. But it also has to be as Mclaren only had to work for one model. Ferrari, Lambo, Lexus and Audi make more models so there focus is divided.

and joe-limon, LFA is more of a competitor to 599GTB, LP640, DBS...etc and not MP4-12C and 458 Italia.

JUGNU

Oh right, cause the MP4-12C and 458 aren't in it's price range and far out perform it... silly me. What was I thinking comparing super cars.

The LFA, although a first nice try, can't hold a candle to the sexiness, style of the Ferrari 458 Italia or the 599GTB. The LP460, DB9, & LP460 are just stunning to view.

Joe_Limon

You know F430 is entry level Ferrari but still outperforms the most expensive Ferrari currently on sale, the 612 Scaglietti also F430 Scuderia is cheaper than 599 but outperforms it.

Reason is there is difference in models, the difference is less but there is market for it so manufacturers make models to meet the demand. 599GTB is more comfortable, luxurious and powerful than 430 scuderia. Same case with LFA, it will be great on track (Toyota seems like they tried their best to find maximum compromise) but at the same time will be luxurious, comfortable, lots of features and options that you won't find in strictly performance oriented and aerodynamic led models like 12C and 458 Italia.

I can't say more becuase there aren't enough articles and i haven't driven any yet, but so far it's almost 100% that LFA is more like 599 and DBS than 458 and 12C. If you still don't believe then explain why 612 cost more than F430 despite slower at everything and same case with 599 vs scuderia. Even the 458 italia is going to be cheaper than 599 but will outperform it, explain that? Why people should buy 458 and not 599.

Also don't forget LFA will be limited to 500 units only and will extremely customizable unlike Mclaren and Ferrari. Ron Dennis in the interview said, they will produce 1000 12Cs in it's first production year.

JUGNU

Joe is a college kid, therefore he cannot think, reason, and take it like a man - that's the explanation.

The 599 and 612 are not super cars... they are luxury sports cars. The argument made is that the LF-L is a supercar. If you are going to call it a supercar it damned well better keep up with supercars... not just luxury sports cars...

I see your point but for me you're referring more to a track car. Per your definition ENZO, CGT, and SLR, with their flashy color leather interior cannot be called supercar, which seems odd to most people.

A track car is an entirely different category, the Ariel Atom, Lotus 2eleven, Caterham, Ultima GTR, Reynard Inverter, Radical SR8 etc etc... these are track cars. The Enzo, CGT, Zonda, CCX, SSC Ultimate Aero, F430 I believe are the true super cars. The SLR lies with the 599, 612, Aston Martins, Gran Turismo's, and Bentley Continentals as luxury sports cars... What Lexus has brought to the table does not make it into the realm of what I call a Super car... it's just another expensive sports car.

I won't argue w/ your track car def, but your definition of supercar is just arbitrary. I cannot imagine a 'luxury sports car' having engine revving to 9000(cutoff 9500 rpm) and 115 hp/L output, better than 110hp/L and 8000 rpm of ENZO, not be categorized as supercar.

Mid engine doesn't necessarily mean 'super'.

none of the posters here can take it like a man cus none of the posters here act like a man. They act like european brain children. Washed in the head by the Porsches Mercedes McLarens BMWS and Ferrari's. Shame it is when they realize that a car like the LFA is able to compete with them. See the LFA isn't a wannabee supercar, they aren't some company that thinks they have a custom interior with carbon fiber they can charge 1million bucks. 3.7 seconds to 62mph? I think it's a lot faster than what Lexus estimates it at. Automakers estimates are always slower than the actual real life performance. At least they didn't charge 1.1 million for an all carbon fiber supercar with a mercedes engine. Like Pagani. They came up with their own engine, their own carbon fiber, their own chassis. their own interior, their own everything.

lf-a: 375000
mp4: 250000
people arguing about cars they can't afford: priceless

and freshseth: you're really comparing the r&d and production capacities of pagani and toyota? pls, do yourself a favor and stop posting comments here.

Lexus is not a Crap but definetely is not better than Mclaren if you compare all their resources agains the resources of Mclaren, ...Mclaren is by far superior to Lexus. Starting with the engine which is smaller with more torque and power and then the light weight of th car...and so on...and again, all that without the resourses of Of Toyota...please...think twice before to speak....Lexus is great but not the "ONE"...I would like to see what Mclaren could do if they have the Toyota's resources....

Yonder
What Toyota could do if they only had to make one model. You know Mclaren was only developing one model for the last few years.

If there is difference in resources, there is also difference in number of models produced between the 2 companies.

And Koenigsegg's 4.7 Supercharged V8 produces 800+ BHP. So they have got better engine than Mclaren and Koenigsegg is surely not as wealthy and big company as Mclaren.

Understand the different models and don't just blindly hate.

JUGNU

Apparently no part in this car was sourced from another manufacturer.

"There is not a single part carried over from another car manufacturer."

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