VIDEO: 2010 Lexus LS460 Sport-Has Lexus Launched A Direct Hit On The Mercedes S550 Sport?

Eh, not really. The S class is still the grand puba in this segment.

What car sells more in the USA? LS or S?

Someone publish the latest numbers, I don't have them handy...

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What car sells more period?

agent 001: why do sales numbers matter? IRRELEVANT. you're comparing cars that are priced 40% apart.

"Check out the beautiful black grille"

!?!?

001, was this sarcasm ?

Looks nice in person.

Better than the standard LS grill in my opinion.

001

They grab this grill from the RAV4!

I like the larger area of wood below the Nav for the facelift, and the matte finish of the wood in the Sport really make the wood grain stand out. I realize that sharp, natural dents in the wood is not only cheaper but also dangerous, but I would appreciate a tiny bit more texture on the wood trim besides matte and smooth.

Haha, your so lost. Just give up and stop commenting on these types of posts. Lexus is owned by Toyota. When your in a Lexus ur surprised that u see Toyota parts in it? Im not. Not surprised when i sit in a Lamborghini and realise its pure has Volkswagen switches and a Audiesk Nav system. What about that Porsche Cayenne? Simply a Toureg that needs a new face. Its more economical for manufacturers to build various vehicles with the same parts. Actually for your information. The LS looks nothing like its European counterparts. The 7 series which only recently came out looks very similar to the LS. Il let you be the judge of that. (The LS has been around longer just so you know)

"The Lexus will never touch the S Class. "

So why, in previous generations, has the LS has been rated better by some publications like this one?

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparisons/03q4/2004_audi_a8l_vs._bmw_745i_jaguar_xj8_m-b_s430_vw_phaeton-comparison_tests/2004_lexus_ls430_page_2

# Sixth: 2004 Mercedes-Benz S430
# Fifth: 2004 Volkswagen Phaeton
# Fourth: 2004 Audi A8L
# Third: 2004 BMW 745i
# Second: 2004 Jaguar XJ8
# First: 2004 Lexus LS430

— _43LE

2004,Really? you have to go that far back to prove you point. Oh by the way Car and Driver has a new test 2007 with the current LS and S class.

Fifth: 2007 Lexus LS460L
Fourth: 2006 Jaguar Super V-8
Third: 2006 BMW 750Li
Second: 2006 Audi A8L Quattro
First: 2007 Mercedes-Benz S550

exactly correct. you buy an LS because you get 80% of the car for 60% of the price. if you're uninterested in compromise, you buy an S-class. end of story.

Yes, but I was commenting on Darzav's comment that "The Lexus will never touch the S Class". Everyone knows that the current generation has not been as appreciated as the competition. I was simply stating that the LS is a competitor and that not being able to "touch" the S-class is untrue.

^ I meant 204E60's comment, not Darzav's

"appreciated as the competition"

Oh come on, that total spin. Let's say the last generation S class was not as "appreciated as the competition". The current S class is top of its game and the current LS has not reviewed well in any form.

FYI, again, for the third time, this is what I was commenting on:

""The Lexus will never touch the S Class. "

Yes, we all know that current LS is not the top of its game. But to say that it will never touch the S class is not realistic when it has previously, even topped it.

so what if a part says toyota on it instead of mercedes? it doesn't mean it is worse or lower quality

Just as much as it does if it says made in china.

comparing china to japan is like comparing bulgaria to germany

Autospies.com is sponsored by Lexus isn't it? I see ads :). Obviously it's a pro-lexus website.

You'd think that if that were true, all the anti-Lexus crazies would stop visiting this "pro-Lexus website."

We have ads running from all the manufacturers.

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I'd just take in ads from whomever gives me the most money, which I'm sure everyone, especially Agent001, would consider as top priority.

We appreciate the ad support from everyone but it has not nor will it ever sway our opinion or stop us from saying what we feel.

We could also get a lot more ads by keeping our mouthes shut like most of the others do but my goal has always been to change the paradigm in automotive coverage and put it in favor of the CUSTOMER.

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Agent63, you cant be serious!?! Are you new here?

0to60- what do you think? :)

Even if Autospies.com was owned by Lexus, there are more than enough Euro-only fanboys posting here to make everything balanced.

You can't be serious? A club lexus member testing the car and saying it's better than a S550 sport. Whatever. Give me a real comparison test with someone a little less biased!

At what point it the video did he say that?

^ "in the video"

Don't hate but appreciate Lexus for improving or putting more sportiness in Lexus LS. Isn't that what you always complained or asked Lexus to make their cars more sporty. Now in less than 3 years Lexus have launched IS-F, sport accessories for many models, LFA and now LS sport.
They are only going to make their cars more sportier.

JUGNU

wow, an ISF and a sport package for the LS! that an accomplishment in 3 years?!? and the LFA won't be on the road for another year.

in the past 3 years, BMW has launched the 335i sedan/coupe/convertible, the M3 sedan/coupe/convertible, the X6M, the X5M, two versions of the all new Z4, 4 versions of the all-new 7-series with the M sport option, the 135i coupe/convertible and countless other car with fantastic performance.

lexus should stick to what it does well (and its buyers LOVE)....well-made, softly sprung, quiet luxury cruisers for people who find driving annoying.

so unless Lexus launches 10 sport cars a year they should not launch any?

Lexus makes great sport cars. IS-F and LFA are awesome.

But keep up your stuck-up-12-year-old hate and bias. it's amusing:-)

dinamo:

not hate...just a stubborn insistence on accepting reality. ; )

do you also accept the reality that with regards to reliability, lexus is to bmw as toyota is to trabant?

xyz: are you familiar with jd powers? BMW is far above average and lexus has been replaced by buick this year. your comments are not rooted in fact--or reality for that matter.

jdp, in case you didn't know, gives mostly INITIAL quality ratings. like 90 days or so. to them, long term mite be 3 years.

after 10 years, or even in as few as 5, the CHEAPEST TOYOTA will have a better reliability record than any buick, bmw, mercedes, etc. and lexus will be close to toyota, having more problems ONLY with the fancy audio systems.

except for the imaginary people who trade cars every 3 months, the jdp figures are almost meaningless. they are a ROUGH indicator of assembly quality, but nothing more.

At 2:20 on the counter, "Ryan from Club Lexus". Also notice the Lexus logo on the driver's shirt.

This Lexus is a nice car, but I prefer the driving position, back seat and instrument panel in the Mercedes more. I also like the S-Class exterior more than the Lexus.

your opinion is like cowbell

LOL

The show will really begin when the new Audi A8 gets here.

NOT!

Reality. The *show* is always running! The Audi A8 will come, and since it will be the newest obviously it's going to better. Then you wait a year or 2 and there will be new S-classes, and a Lexus LS. So, the "Show" is always ongoing.

Yes, it feels like a more refined S550.

But the 7-Series sport has nothing to worry about.

001

nope.

besides, both of these sport packages are essentially wheels and aero kits. slap these superficial packages on both and the mercedes remains a far superior car--especially in performance terms.

if you'd like a real sporting luxury sedan, buy an S63.

I was surprised by the lack of headroom in the Lexus.

I mean back seat hedroom.

S550 sport wins hands down. Much better looking, much nicer interior, more power, more features. More car!!! When the Benz and the Beemer are out of your range...get a Lexus.

On another note...I drove a Panamera 4S today... OMG!!!!! If it wasn't $118,000 I might have bought it. Smokes the Benz, the Bimmer and the Lexus. Has a fat ass though. But it does look much better in person than it does in the pics.
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you guys are such drones. "major car mags" LMAO

ps. UN is great, health care will pass, and the whole world is moving towards a green carbon free economy and energy:-)

They panned it because they took the angle that the mileage wasn't that good for a hybrid and it was expensive.

They had NO idea that everyone who bought it could have cared less about both of those points.

They bought it because they were making a political statement.

The majority of magazine reviewers can't afford to buy a Honda Accord.

So how on earth could they ever understand how a premium customer thinks or what is important to them?

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Oh, and aren't we still waiting for MB, BMW, Infiniti, Acura, Audi, etc. to even have a killer hybrid for sale?

S400 is JUST hitting the market.

Give credit where credit is due.

In Hybrids, Toyota/Lexus are the Google in that space.

Not even a doubt.

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turbo--

your article excerpt only PROVES what agent 001 said about 'major car mags' and their biases.

1) what owner of an LS600h ever even THINKS about 'road racing' on a mountain road?
2) any person who DOES drive in such a manner, actually PREFERS understeer over oversteer. understeer is far more easily corrected.
3) AWD is inherently stable. i was teaching a friend some winter driving techniques in her new subaru. it was just about IMPOSSIBLE to lose it in turns, regardless of throttle application. (it did also have stability control and traction control.) i was trying to teach her the diff between oversteer and understeer. we simply could NOT make the car do either!
4) it WAS possible to "toss" it around a turn, with INDUCED oversteer using the handbrake. that was the ONLY way to make any wheel lose traction.

U guys know how much those batteries in them hybrids damage the world in the long run? you guys are so narrow minded lol!!!! i laugh at all u hybrid fanboys

Just becasue you "launch" something doesn't mean it's a "direct hit". And those rims look just like 7-series

Both the Lexus and Mercedes are great cars with one major factor that seperayes them, the Lexus is reliable.

Not true the S-Class is just as reliable if not more reliable than the Lexus!

That's not true because I own both and I think the S-Class is equally reliable if not more. I've had minor issues with the LS whereas with the S it's still as solid as the day I drove it off the lot. It all depends on how lucky you get. There are always bad apples in a bunch produced that's a given. No company is immune that's all I have to say.

agent63--

i have no doubt that the engines of both cars are reliable. but what about the REST of the car?

lexus vehicles have most of their problems with the audio system; more problems than even toyota audio systems. but then, they ARE more powerful and high-end.

benzs ALSO have problems with the sound systems. AND power eqpt. and body hardware. and body integrity. and brakes.

reliability means far more than JUST the engine, these days. (i know i feel like taking a sledge hammer to my computer every so often. but it is "reliable" as far as firing up whenever i turn it on. lol!)

xyz: again, are you familiar with facts? reality? check out where mercedes as a brand ranks in the quality and reliability surveys. the S-class in particular is one of the highest quality cars on the planet.

if your 'facts' are from jd powers, you need to know this:

jdp gives mostly INITIAL quality ratings. like 90 days or so. to them, long term mite be 3 years.

after 10 years, or even in as few as 5, the CHEAPEST TOYOTA will have a better reliability record than any buick, bmw, mercedes, etc. and lexus will be close to toyota, having more problems ONLY with the fancy audio systems.

except for the imaginary people who trade cars every 3 months, the jdp figures are almost meaningless. they are a ROUGH indicator of assembly quality, but nothing more.

LONG TERM reliability surveys, on the other hand, reflect the DURABILITY and quality of component parts. whether they break down after 50, 100, 150, or 200k miles.

even the S-class has gotten MULTIPLE parts failures within 3-5 years.

S-Class, hands down.

I took a road trip from NYC to Dallas, TX & back - from the rear the new LS looks tough - very wide and low compared to S550 Sport and new 750. Don't know how they managed it, but the new LS looks very wide and more proportional than S550. S550 too long & slightly narrow.

the closest lexus dealer is 360 miles from my city. so far i have seen exactly ONE ls460 since intro of the latest generation, and from a distance of over 1/2 a block away. (bmws --except for 3ers-- and audis are also rare. there is an MB dealer here.)

despite the distance, i could recognize the LS because of its handsome and unique profile. in particular, the nice tapered chrome bar over the side windows. a styling element even porsche has copied.

just as lexus has RAISED THE BAR for the whole industry since its intro, with regard to reliability, refinement, and bang for the buck (sportiness being the ONLY factor on which they needed to catch up), i think lexus has also taken the lead in STYLING.

of course, those WEDDED to the look of euro sedans will deny this. but more open minded americans do recognize this.

even porsche, caddy and lincoln now borrow elements of lexus styling.

and even Mercedes borrows from lexus AND toyota. one of the new MBs has borrowed the "4 eyes" look of the GS. the ML did a direct copy of the C-pillar of the 4Runner. (understandable, as it IS one of the nicest C-pillar and greenhouse of ANY suv, which all seem like boring boxes with upright pillars.)