Ford Is Takin' It Back, The 5.0L Lives On: Are The Camaro And Challenger DOA Now?

Ford Is Takin' It Back, The 5.0L Lives On: Are The Camaro And Challenger DOA Now?
Although 2009 will go down in history as the year of the green car, it seems that the Detroit Three have been pumping out large displacement motors and upping the horsepower faster than you can say "Proud to be 'Merican!"

In recent years, muscle cars have come back in a big way and with every passing model year, they become more competitive. With companies upping the ante, each automaker has revolutionized their legendary nameplates.

Some cars have become more modern with the times while others have lagged, anyway you slice it every brand's car has a unique identity.

Take for instance the Ford Mustang. Although it was known for its 4.6 liter V8 powerplant that churned out a mediocre 315-horsepower, its driving experience can be likened to handling a firecracker. An absolute blast when you're fooling around, but given one wrong action it will make sure you pay the piper with a finger or two.

Well, Ford did not think that was dangerous enough, so they went back into the workshop and tinkered around for a year. The result: a 5.0 liter V8 pumping out 412-horsepower and 390 lb-ft of torque that spins up to approximately 7,000 RPM. And boy, is it loud. Three cheers for Ford.

Although you probably have heard that several times by now because numerous sources have leaked that information on more than one occasion.

With these engine mods comes an optional Brembo brake package that boasts the same vented, 14-inch rotors from the GT500 Mustang and 19'' rims. This should help the 'Stang stop a bit more crisp.

If you read my review on the 2010 Mustang you would know that after spending some time with it I came to genuinely appreciate the car. Even more so than its competition. With these new modifications in mind, I have begun questioning if the Camaro and Challenger are now essentially up a creek.

What do you think, SPIES? Let us know in the comments below.

Press release follows:

DEARBORN, Mich., Dec. 28, 2009 – The 5.0 is back! The 2011 Ford Mustang GT arrives with an all-new advanced 5.0-liter V-8 engine, developed by a passionate cadre of enthusiastic engineers who rallied around the common goal of delivering more than 400 horsepower.

The modern 5.0-liter four-valve Twin Independent Variable Camshaft Timing (Ti-VCT) V-8 engine in the new Mustang GT will deliver 412 horsepower and 390 ft.-lb. of torque. At the same time, fuel economy is projected to be better than the previous model and unsurpassed in the segment.

“This all-new 5.0-liter engine is the next chapter in the development of the world-class Mustang powertrain portfolio,” said Derrick Kuzak, group vice president, Global Product Development. “It’s a thoroughly modern engine for the times, delivering the performance and fun-to-drive factor that enthusiasts want, while improving fuel economy.”

Coyote in the lobby
Many of the engineers on the development team have worked in the Engine and Electrical Engineering Building on the Dearborn, Mich., product development center campus. For years they walked past the original 5.0-liter V-8 Coyote Indy racing engine on display in the lobby, continually inspired by its mix of heritage, high technology and horsepower.

The powertrain development community had long wanted to develop a new 5.0-liter powertrain, with strategic discussions beginning in 2000. By 2007, the Mustang competitive landscape was beginning to change, a sign that the time was right for advancing the Mustang GT powertrain to world-class levels.

The team began 5.0-liter engine development with the objective of delivering 400-plus horsepower, on a timetable accelerated by 12 months without compromises in reliability, durability, fuel economy, or noise, vibration and harshness (NVH) control.

“Nearly all of the team members have worked on other high-profile powertrain programs,” said V-8 Engine Programs Manager Mike Harrison. “They all had a clear vision of the work required on their particular component or subsystem. Their passion for engines, racing and delivering every last ounce of performance throughout the engine speed range really demonstrated that they put their heads and their hearts into this powertrain.”

Development test engines and benchmarks included 5.0-liter blocks, employing different bore and stroke measurements, GT500 four-valve-per-cylinder heads and cams, various intake manifold runner configurations, differing compression ratios and a deep-sump oil pan. The team also evaluated Ford Racing’s 5.0-liter “Cammer” V-8 crate engine for transferable best practices.

Extensive computer-aided engineering (CAE) modeling, development engine experimentation and evaluation in combination with intricate machine work brought this promising, all-new configuration to jaw-dropping life in an accelerated time frame.

The result of this development is an “and” solution, not an “or.” 2011 Mustang buyers will enjoy the benefits of a powerful engine as well as responsible fuel economy.

Ti-VCT
A critical element in the 5.0-liter V-8’s ability to deliver 412 horsepower, with improved drivability, tractability and fuel economy over the 2010 Mustang GT powertrain, is enhanced Ti-VCT.

For a high-performance application, the team specified cam-torque-actuated variable camshaft timing. Using existing cam torque energy, with assistance from pressurized oil, meant that minimal upgrades to the oil pump were required, resulting in less parasitic drag. Increased volumetric and thermal efficiency gives faster Ti-VCT response at all engine speeds.

During the development phase, camshaft lift profile and port optimization started with higher-lift Ford Racing aftermarket units, modified for compatibility with various four-valve-per-cylinder heads. Extensive CAE and dynamometer testing was performed to fine-tune camshaft events and port flow for performance and fuel efficiency in conjunction with the variable camshaft timing.

The resulting all-new aluminum four-valve-per-cylinder heads feature a compact roller finger follower valvetrain layout leaving more room for high-flow ports for free-breathing performance. Head structure was designed to support higher cylinder head pressures and cross-flow cooling for sustained high-rpm use. Head bolt size was increased from 11 to 12 millimeters to contain the higher combustion pressures.

The aluminum block was developed for optimized windage and oil drainback under lateral conditions and high rpm, such as a track-day outing for an enthusiastic owner and driver. Increased main bearing bulkhead widths and nodular iron cross-bolted main bearing caps with upsized bolts were also employed to accommodate the significant performance increase.

An additional element is the increased capacity and baffling of the deep-sump stamped steel oil pan to enable sustained high-rpm use and offer the convenience of 10,000-mile oil change intervals. Piston-cooling jets also were incorporated for performance-minded customers and for faster oil warm-up on cold start.

Specially designed tubular exhaust headers were developed to maximize exhaust pulse separation and improve flow. A team analyst actually fabricated the tubular headers in his home workshop, bringing the CAE design to life.

Performance and fuel economy
The 412 horsepower and 390 ft.-lb. of torque delivered by the 2011 Mustang GT 5.0-liter V-8 represent significant increases versus the 2010 model year output levels.

The six-speed automatic transmission on the 2011 Mustang GT will deliver up to an estimated 25 mpg highway and 17 in the city. This is up from 23 mpg highway and 17 city for the 2010 model. Six-speed manual transmission Mustang GT models for 2011 are projected to deliver 24 mpg highway and 16 city, matching the 2010 model but delivering significantly more horsepower and performance feel.

2011 Mustang GT fuel economy is enabled by the Ti-VCT, the six-speed transmissions in automatic or manual variations, EPAS and an additional rear decklid seal to enhance aerodynamics.

Fuel economy also is aided by engineering a lightweight powertrain. The engine, as shipped, weighs just 430 pounds. This represents a weight savings of more than 20 percent versus the previous 5.0-liter offering. Lower mass can be attributed to the aluminum block and heads, the lightweight composite intake manifold, composite cam covers and hollow camshafts.

Improved driving dynamics
EPAS has made a dramatic contribution to Mustang GT driving dynamics, delivering quicker on-center steering response, increased effort at highway speeds and reduced effort required in low-speed parking maneuvers. EPAS allows specific tuning for the Mustang GT application.

The 2011 Mustang GT features an enhanced rear lower control arm to add stiffness, improve powertrain NVH control and sharpen handling. A stiffened rear stabilizer bar for better on-center steering is also included. Stabilizer bar diameters, spring rates and dampers all have been tuned for improved dynamics.

A Brembo brake package upgrade will be available for serious enthusiasts. This package includes 14-inch vented front discs from the GT500 Mustang, unique 19-inch alloy wheels and summer performance tires.

Added convenience content
For 2011, Mustang GT offers drivers several new convenience technologies, including:

  • Standard message center
  • Integrated blind spot mirrors
  • MyKey™ programmable vehicle key
  • Illuminated visors
  • Universal garage door opener
  • Sun visor storage

New look
From the 5.0 fender badges to the new engine cover, Mustang GT honors and continues the proud heritage of its predecessors. The speedometer increases to 160 mph and the tachometer redline advances from 6,500 to 7,000 rpm.

Three vibrant new colors will be added for 2011 including Yellow Blaze Tri-Coat, Race Red and Ingot Silver.

Improved NVH control and convertible rigidity
For 2011, Mustang GT benefits from across-the-board NVH improvements. These include additional sound-deadening material on either side of the instrument panel, an additional seal between door and rocker panel to reduce wind noise and a real wheel arch liner to reduce noise on gravel or wet surfaces.

Mustang GT convertible models feature enhanced structural rigidity, with lateral stiffness improved by 12 percent versus the 2010 model. A tower-to-tower front strut brace is now standard, and the V-brace has been stiffened by adding gussets. The secondary crossmember also has been stiffened while a front Z-brace has been added, connecting primary and secondary crossmembers. A-pillar stiffening foam also has been added to increase rigidity.

“This powertrain honors Mustang’s heritage by raising the bar on performance while increasing fuel economy,” said Barb Samardzich, vice president, Powertrain Development. “For enthusiasts, such as the passionate members of the 5.0-liter V-8 team, it’s like having your cake and eating it, too.”


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bfghemicudabfghemicuda - 12/29/2009 6:43:02 PM
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Just like in the past , the three brands all have something up there sleve. The Challenger will have a new version of the 6.1 Hemi which will be a 6.4 [ @ 525 horses ] But its not just horsepower , its the complete package. The Camaro and Challenger are definately NOT up the creek,, This is when it gets fun.


Joe_LimonJoe_Limon - 12/29/2009 9:33:15 PM
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1UAW please stop butchering the Camaro's name. This is far worse than how you usually spell it, i.e. Camero.


bfghemicudabfghemicuda - 12/30/2009 1:11:34 AM
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1UAW I have to strongly dissagree with your comment that no one beats GM in the pony wars. Where are the GM cars in SS/AA that became AH , your not there beacuse you had nothing to compete with the A-body Hemi pony cars. A 1965 Dart GT won the first SCCA race in 1966. I could go on and on. The only thing GM did right is create the LS block [ skirted and crossbolted copying the 1964 Chrysler Hemi]. Gear reduction starter like Chrysler, Unibody that Chrysler perfected, High stall converter from Chrysler, air gap intake like Chrysler, electronic ignition that Chrysler pioneered, and I believe the cylinder combustion chaimber design is from a early polysphere 318 Dodge and Plymouth with a high intake runner from Ford. There has been more R&D money spent on the small block Chevy than any other engine and its still beatable [ Ive done it] The Camaro is nice looking but not the best looking [other than the roof line that is a copy of the Challenger] its cartoonish and the dash design has a lot to be desired. Im glad the Camaro is here and I don't care about spec sheets, you Chevy boys got your hands full. Like I said ,, were having fun now. :)


mini22mini22 - 12/29/2009 9:18:26 PM
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Let me politely disagree with you. Saying that GM wins because it's the best looking and most reliable is simply misinformation. First beauty is in the eye of the beholder. 2nd Fords quality control has improved dramatically over the past few yrs.However saying all this there is room for all 3 cars because you have 3 different class of drivers. The Mustang driver really appreciates it's lightness and handling as well as it's practicality. The Camaro driver appreciates it's total coolness at the expense of practicality.The Dodge driver is the cruiser and likes to look good.These are 3 very different flavors. I do think the Camaro sales will taper off a bit and Mustang sales should perk up due to the new engine and chassis mods. There is room for all 3 brands!


SpectatorSpectator - 12/30/2009 11:32:50 AM
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Mini22
I have to laugh (not at your statment but at a line in it...its kinda funny). I don't think I have ever heard anyone describe modern mustangs using the following phrase:

"The Mustang driver really appreciates it's lightness and handling as well as it's practicality."

I realize your using it in contrast to the Dodge and Chevy...however that is usually the argument against the mustang when they compare it to other cars outside of Detroit.

Again not disagreeing with your statment...just thatough the line was funny.


BlakuraTLSBlakuraTLS - 12/30/2009 5:09:04 PM
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Mini22 - That's a funny comment, I have never thought of or heard of a mustang being a machine known for even good handling. I do think Chevy and Dodge will have to go back to the garage and prepare an answer for Ford's latest improvements. I'm glad Ford has really been stepping it up lately. That's good for us.


Joe_LimonJoe_Limon - 12/29/2009 9:31:40 PM
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Hopefully the suspension mods can help minimize the understeer. The GT500 though more powerful than the Camaro SS is still about as fast as the Camaro around a track do to it not wanting to turn in. Since they did mention some changes in the suspension in this article the 5.0 might be a toss up, provided they caught back up to the Camaro's handling. Looks though subjective still has the Camaro winning 9 times out of 10. So I guess it still comes down to whether you want a muscle car with a nicer interior or exterior.


veyron1001veyron1001 - 12/31/2009 11:30:21 AM
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They are bringing back the RX-7 to replace the RX-8


truckmantruckman - 12/30/2009 5:30:31 AM
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Impressive engine.


SpectatorSpectator - 12/30/2009 11:24:37 AM
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"The six-speed automatic transmission on the 2011 Mustang GT will deliver up to an estimated 25 mpg highway and 17 in the city. This is up from 23 mpg highway and 17 city for the 2010 model. Six-speed manual transmission Mustang GT models for 2011 are projected to deliver 24 mpg highway and 16 city, matching the 2010 model but delivering significantly more horsepower and performance feel."

--How does the automatic deliver greater fuel efficiency than the manual?


pennfootballpennfootball - 12/30/2009 4:18:00 PM
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Ok an automatic tranny usually has a taller gear ratio then a manual...today's automatic gearboxes also lock up the torque converter faster eliminating parasitic power drain and improving fuel economy....also the computers in them up shift faster saving gas making them more efficient then a manual...plus there are a lot of little techno wizardry things that make them better then ever as well with solid state electronics and faster ECU's as well.


mini22mini22 - 12/31/2009 1:25:41 AM
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People seem surprised when I talk about the good handling on the Mustang. Have all of of you read the road test comparisions of "Road and Track" "Car and Driver" and "MotorTrend" this past yr. The 2010 Mustang with the track pack was pulling over 90G on the skid pad and getting through the slalom at 69 MPH plus. Of course there were slight variations between the 3 mags but in general there was a consistantcy in the test numbers and the comments. Other then a few negatives on the solid rear axle for the most part they seemed surprised how well it handled bad pavement. Comments like "great steering" and "turns in like a race car" or the Mustang was the most satisfying to drive. Automobile even acknowledging that a 370Z was the better handling car the Mustang was still rated the best compromise between comfort and handling with a cultured sounding engine. I think you get my point here in that in general the uniformity of the comments seemed to be overly positive about the Mustang in spite of it being a "muscle car". I believe "Road and Track stated that with the track pack the Mustang was approaching "sportcar like" status with the only thing holding it back being the lack of IRS. So perhaps my comments are not so funny sounding if you reread some of these comments. True the Mustang is no Porsche and never will be even if it had IRS but for 34 grand the 2010 looked to me to be a good value. I'm assuming that Ford will hold the line on pricing as to not price themselves out of the competition. But again getting back to the original pemise there is still room for the 3 different flavors of drivers and each has it's appeal. So I do not think the Mustang with it's new engine and updated suspension tweeks will in any way shut down Camaro or Challenger sales. But from a purely driving standpoint I do think the Mustang could further distance itself from Camaro and Challenger(provided the electric power steering does not ruin it's newly acquired road feel from 2010)


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