Toyota wants hydrogen fuel cell vehicles for the public by 2015

LOL, Toyota is now going into a market segment everyone else figured out was thermodynamically flawed.

Toyota here shamefully disgraces itself.

This spokesman mouths completely false and nonsensical plans.

There is no way they can sell FC cars by 2015 or any other time, without incurring huge losses. If the $42,000 RAV4-EV, which could be lowered in cost if Toyota would recycle the batteries after they wear out at 100K or 200k miles, is supposedly too expensive, then how could Toyota not be lying when it says that it will sell FC cars that cost 10 times as much.

LIAR. Just another GM-wanna-be.

There are no "hydrogen stations" in place; nor will there be, since AQMD points out that the technical grade H2 required (carbon destroys the FC stack) costs $17 per Gallon-Gas-equivalent (kg).

TOYOTA LIES.

just WTF would toyota want to be a "GM-HAS-BEEN" when they've already surpassed gm in so many ways?

and since you apparently FAILED your grade school reading lessons, go back and read again the words "certain markets" and that "HAVE stations in place."

Honda did it

There is one hydrogen station in Washington DC and another one in LA yum yum. Also the fuel cell stacks are getting cheaper and more efficient faster then batteries and need a smaller battery then an EV.

So by your logic, one could make a case that the Chevrolet Volt is a PR distraction for the BILLIONS in bail-out funds that GM consistently burns up while consistently operation at a loss. God Bless my unborn grandchildren.

Woo recalls ouch you hurt them there. At least Toyota is giving more options for the US buyer. What is GM doing?

GM is making a vehicles that don't need to use fuel.

yeah, they don't need fuel. they just RUN ON GOV'T MONEY! lol

Toyota runs on Japanese govt money. And has for years, even before the crash.

So, you mean to tell me that the profits that go back to Japan are being used by the Japanese government to keep Toyota running? That's an interesting logic I would've never thought of.. Thanks Limon.

News flash! FCX Clarity, again we must be reminded of "The Power of Dreams".

About the only place that has "H2 stations" are demos like Toyota Torrance; they cost $2 million each, and only produce enough H2 for 40 cars. Thus, in addition to the $400,000 FCX, you would need $100,000 for your share of just one H2 station to fuel it...NOT COUNTING the cost of the fuel. And since energy costs are only going up, and H2 production requires massive electric...well, even Toyota liars can draw that conclusion.

The reason Big Oil doesn't hate H2 is because it won't work, and because the refineries use billions of pounds of H2 in the cracking process, along with being the larges industrial user of electric and natural gas.

Refineries use as much energy to extract and produce gasoline as would drive an EV the same distance as the gasoline they produce drive the average oil-fired car. Yet it takes more energy still to produce H2, and it's only 35% efficient at most in cars. So you'd need far more than 120 kWh of electric to make on kg of H2, or at least $12/gallon gas equivalent. That is valideated by AQMD, which pays $17/gge for tech-grade H2.

So that's why they push H2: it's a fraud and a lie to imagine it would be an alternative to gasoline, or anything else. There will always be more horses and buggies than FCX Hydrogen Hoaxes.

I do not believe that hydrogen is the answer, it takes more fuel to produce hydrogen, that is only part of the reason that it does not make sense.

Well 400 grand is not out of reach look at the Lamborghini Mercilago, Rolls Royce Phantom, a fully options Ferrari 612 or 599, are all over 400k, not to mention countless Veyron's, Pagoni Zonda's, Konigsegg's and even a few Maybachs, Bentley Azure's and the list goes on and on and on.

lol but that is a Honda, it's not even badged as an Acura.

Something tells me Toyota (with recent events) shouldnt be moving "that" forward...

Toyota, here is my advice: Just get cars for the public without unintended acceleration, than plan the next steps.

Focus on the important things first! If you solved the above, talk about fuel cells (actually, ask Mercedes, they have them already for quite a while, or just copy it from them, you know how).