GM's Incentive To Toyota Recall Owners Could Backfire Badly

GM's Incentive To Toyota Recall Owners Could Backfire Badly
Yesterday, the crack marketing team at General Motors announced a new $1,000 incentive program for Toyota owners who are concerned about their vehicles. According to a GM spokesperson they “decided to make this offer after receiving many emails and calls from our dealers, who have been approached by Toyota customers asking for help. We want to be able to provide peace of mind to customers and all of our vehicles are safe.”

While the concept of GM "helping" consumers is dubious, GM's decision to target Toyota in the midst of their crisis is packed with risks:

1. GM looks like the proverbial "ambulance chaser," trying to profit from Toyota's safety problem. If you're a fan of GM already, this might not bother you. But for all of those people who were on the fence about the company, this move isn't helping GM's image.

2. What will GM dealers do with Toyota trade-ins? GM dealers can't sell used Toyotas until Toyota has a fix. So, what GM dealership is going to want to trade for a used Toyota right now? Dealers need to sell used cars in 60 days or less in order to make money...but a used Toyota could sit for a month waiting for a repair.

3. GM dealers are going to low-ball Toyota owners because they can't sell Toyota trades right away. This of course is going to irritate a bunch of Toyota owners. While some of them will blame Toyota, some of them might blame the dealership that told them.

4. This undermines GM's "May the best car win" campaign. If GM is so confident that they have the best vehicles, why are they offering $1,000 to switch? A person who isn't firmly a GM customer might see this as an obvious contradiction.

See the rest of the article for 3 more reasons that GM's Toyota recall incentive program is a mistake.
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theoptimisticpessimisttheoptimisticpessimist - 1/28/2010 12:21:28 PM
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This a story for a Toyota "Fanboy site" go figure.


tundrahqtundrahq - 1/28/2010 12:38:38 PM
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So you disagree that this could backfire, or you agree that it could, but you don't want to give it any credit because WE said it?

Either way, why can't you say something useful?


theoptimisticpessimisttheoptimisticpessimist - 1/28/2010 12:44:22 PM
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What I'm saying is this a biased story from a biased site, so it is irrelevant.


M35MTM35MT - 1/28/2010 1:21:22 PM
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from one biased site to another...weak


tundrahqtundrahq - 1/28/2010 1:22:47 PM
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So rather than evaluate the points logically, you dismiss them because they're biased? That's the DEFINITION of bias man!


theoptimisticpessimisttheoptimisticpessimist - 1/28/2010 7:53:07 PM
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No yours argument (yes I read them) are all conjecture, you bring no facts to the table just your opinion, so irrelevant and biased.


upwardsupwards - 1/29/2010 1:17:35 AM
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So badagwhore you say only idiots buy Toyotas


tundrahqtundrahq - 1/28/2010 1:28:36 PM
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Since you're a GM fan, I doubt you would view this marketing move negatively. However, you're dead wrong about the trade-ins representing "no loss." If a GM dealer takes in 20 late-model Toyota trades at $20k a piece, that's $400k in inventory that they can't sell until Toyota has a fix (which could be a few days or a few weeks).

Cash flow is CRITICAL for auto dealers, and soaking money into cars they have to park in the back is a bad financial investment. As a result, GM dealers are going to hit the trades really low...and that's not going to help them make deals.

Also remember that used cars depreciate daily - if GM dealers trade for Toyotas that don't sell for a month waiting for a fix, you can bet that they will lose something.

Last but not least, do you REALLY think a Toyota dealership is going to repair used cars at a GM dealer before they repair all the customer cars and their own cars? I wouldn't be surprised if any non-Toyota dealer had to wait 30-60 days for a fix, simply because they're not going to be considered a priority.

The bottom line is that GM's own dealers aren't going to be able to sell the cars they're trying to trade for, which means they aren't going to offer very much for them. It's simple...and it's dumb of GM not to think this all the way through.


tundrahqtundrahq - 1/28/2010 2:19:19 PM
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SO you agree then that GM dealers will under-value Toyotas on trade? If so, why would any smart owner take advantage of the offer? They would be better off to keep the vehicle, wait for the fix, and THEN trade, right?

This thing isn't going to do GM any good in terms of execution, and people who aren't sure about GM might just view this whole thing as unseemly. Toyota fans like myself thinks it's awful.

One more note - what if Toyota had offered GM owners a Bankruptcy discount a few months back? It would have looked really, really bad to do so.


Joe_LimonJoe_Limon - 1/29/2010 12:50:04 AM
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Badgewhore... I feel sorry for everyone that does enjoy the Toyota brand... They have you as their poster boy.


Joe_LimonJoe_Limon - 1/28/2010 12:47:37 PM
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Point 2 is the biggest point in this argument. For some reason I can see GM selling "GM fixed Toyota's" just to rub it in.


no1listensanywayno1listensanyway - 1/28/2010 1:17:55 PM
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I don't think this can backfire at all. If someone is sincerly concerned, I think this is a great way to gain a customer. Fear always sells!!


thstonethstone - 1/28/2010 2:04:42 PM
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I think that this actually shows some balls on the part of GM. If you want market share, you gotta go and get it and one of the best times to strike is when you're compeition is weak and/or distracted.

GM didn't create or contribute to Toyota's problems so they shouldn't be seen as ambulance chasing or anything like that in this situation. If this was GM's design problem no one would think twice about Toyota, Nissan, or Honda making a competitive offer for GM owners to make a change.

May the best car win and right now, Toyota's aren't looking too good.



pepito66pepito66 - 1/28/2010 2:15:11 PM
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Warming people because in the TV News they never mention Lexus to avoid crisis and is the same thing WHY they don't speak clear. ????????????????????????????????????


Need4SpeedNeed4Speed - 1/28/2010 3:15:14 PM
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Hmmm...all very good and possibly valid point!


upwardsupwards - 1/28/2010 4:02:50 PM
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Are you kidding! 2007 Corolla for my 2009 Malibu. Never looked back never had a problem.


theoptimisticpessimisttheoptimisticpessimist - 1/28/2010 7:55:50 PM
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"Toyotas flocking to Government Motors"

Yeah that right because Toyota has never taken in goverment money, oh wait they did. http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/its-true-toyota-asks-japanese-government-backed-bank-for-2b/


cdokecdoke - 1/28/2010 4:59:21 PM
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This could be construed as a form of positive price discrimination for the Toyota owners.


cdokecdoke - 1/28/2010 10:26:50 PM
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What you have said, i.e. that similar things occur all the time does not negate the fact that it is a form of price discrimination.

Price discriminaton is when a firm charges a different price to different groups of consumers for an identical good or service, for reasons that are divorced from costs.

Two people go in to buy a CTS, the one that trades in a Toyota does not cost GM less- quite the opposite, in fact, they are trading in an inferior product with a known design flaw. The incentive is just that an incentive that is not associated with costs and it is a form of price discrimination.


91z4me91z4me - 1/28/2010 10:53:56 PM
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Shove the PC discrimination crap.


cdokecdoke - 1/28/2010 11:57:54 PM
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Where, precisely, my dear fool, did express a value judgement on the matter?

Your perception that this is even about being PC is the result of your stigmatized perception of the word "discrimination".

I am simply calling it what it is. There is no arguing about it. Price discrimination occurs all the time. Price discrimination is not fundamentally illegal although it can be. Airlines do it a lot. Peak pricing (your electrical bill is set up this way) is a form of price discrimination and it is perfectly rational.


jonmartinjonmartin - 1/28/2010 6:53:36 PM
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Toyota should make an incentive to trade used GM cars for Products from a manufacturer that doesn't ask the government to pay their bills.


Joe_LimonJoe_Limon - 1/28/2010 7:08:40 PM
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I'm sorry but wasn't the Prius developed on the Japanese governments bill? Toyota isn't innocent in this regard, they have been seeking handouts for years before this recession even started.


theoptimisticpessimisttheoptimisticpessimist - 1/28/2010 8:09:34 PM
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— jonmartin

DOH Take a look at this link: It’s True: Toyota Asks Japanese Government-Backed Bank For $2b

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/its-true-toyota-asks-japanese-government-backed-bank-for-2b/



upwardsupwards - 1/28/2010 10:32:04 PM
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You are right they should but today they will be hard pressed to find buyers.


91z4me91z4me - 1/28/2010 10:55:43 PM
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Yeah I would much rather be loyal to a brand that sold me a car they are now not allowed to sell because it is a danger to those driving and to others on the road.

Great point Huu.


91z4me91z4me - 1/28/2010 10:57:09 PM
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$1000 loyalty toward what? It isn't like they have lots of similar models to choose from. What alternatives do they have left besides crossovers and the Prius?


91z4me91z4me - 1/30/2010 11:18:55 AM
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I think the recall will take longer than you are estimating. Especially given that Toyota is sending the 'fixed parts' to the factories instead of to the dealers to fix customer cars.


quizzquizz - 1/28/2010 8:23:04 PM
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1, 3 and 4 are non-issues and should not concern GM. This is a business and consumers are not stupid to think that GM is some sweetheart company. They will take advantage of the offer if they like it, pure and simple. All blame will rest with Toyota, and consumers will not look askance at GM for taking advantage of Toyota's failures in this regard. I think it's brilliant on GM's part. May the best car win, and yes, at this time as long as GM has no stupid recalls, GM is the best car. No contradiction there if GM wants to line your pocket with another $1,000. By the way, my family drives Toyotas (my wife drives a Sienna, and 6 other members as well) and now I have to bring my father-in-law's 2009 camry in for a fix dammit.


Bmw8terBmw8ter - 1/28/2010 8:38:41 PM
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Maybe I'm just clueless, but aside from the exhaust valve issue that was fixed under warranty, I haven't had a single issue with my 2007 Camry V6. My Camry came with the floor mat clips. I don't see how this was excluded from other models and years. I even have a heavy duty weather mat on top of the clipped mat just to keep the snow and dirt at bay, and still haven't had a single issue.


91z4me91z4me - 1/28/2010 10:58:54 PM
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The problem is no longer with the floor mats according to Toyota, I think now the blame is on the supplier of the pedal assembly. But don't be suprised if a tech plugs in a programmer and your ECM/PCM gets a new flash with an accelerator cutoff during brake depression.


jonmartinjonmartin - 1/28/2010 8:51:20 PM
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— theoptimisticpessimist

There is a big difference between a $2billion dollar loan that would get paid back anyway And borrowing however many billions of "bailout funds" GM and Chrysler got and don't plan on ever paying back.

The difference is if Toyota never got the loan they wouldn't have to shut down unlike GM and Chrysler.


TrueAutoSpyTrueAutoSpy - 1/28/2010 10:31:34 PM
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Why would it 'backfire'?

Because it's an American company rather than one of AutoSpies favored German makes?

At least their trying.


91z4me91z4me - 1/28/2010 10:59:41 PM
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1/10 I have seen much better trolls on this board recently. Better luck next time.


EL34EL34 - 1/29/2010 12:34:08 AM
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I hate GM and the UAW.


EL34EL34 - 1/29/2010 12:56:08 PM
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Pi$$ on GM and the UAW.


upwardsupwards - 1/29/2010 3:20:43 PM
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I hate irrelevant comments


charmainecharmaine - 8/18/2010 4:16:35 AM
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General Motors, is issuing a recall in a horrible timing days away from the anticipated Initial Public Offering of stock. 243,000 of all crossover SUVs in question are within recall.

Here is the proof: <a title="Almost 250,000 vehicles affected by GM recall" href="http://www.cardealexpert.com/news-information/auto-news/gm-recall/">GM recall will affect almost
250,000 vehicles</a> The defect in question is within the second row seat belts. This is the second recall this year, and it could not have worse timing. The repair involved won't be extensive.



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