GM steals Toyota Truck Award

GM steals Toyota Truck Award
Last week, Intellichoice announced their "2010 Best Value" awards, and GM trucks nearly swept the list, winning the best value award in all but the "Compact Pickup" category.

The trouble is, GM's Sierra / Silverado Hybrid, which was the best value winner in the half-ton segment, has no business competing as a half ton! GM's Hybrid pickups can't tow more than 6,100 lbs, which is less than a compact truck. For many truck owners, this level of performance simply isn't acceptable in a half ton. The F150, Tundra, Titan, and other GM half-tons can all tow 10k lbs or more - why would Intellichoice consider GM's hybrid pickups competitive?

If these GM hybrid trucks were placed in a different category (either the compact truck segment or in a category of their own), it seems likely that the Toyota Tundra would have won the award.

1. The Tundra had the lowest ownership costs in it’s class in 2009 according to last year’s Intellichoice survey.

2. The Tundra 4WD had the highest retained value in 2009 (also according to Intellichoice).

3. The 2010 Sequoia won the 2010 award in the full-size SUV category. A Sequoia is essentially a Tundra without a bed.

4. The Tacoma, which has a similar maintenance schedule and resale value, is the winner in the 2010 compact pickup class.

Even IF the Tundra is not the rightful winner, Intellichoice made a mistake when they announced that a truck with poor capabilities is a "Best Value."
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LexSucksLexSucks - 2/17/2010 11:57:43 AM
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The Toyota didn't win. Get over it.


tundrahqtundrahq - 2/17/2010 1:24:31 PM
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LOL! It does sound like sour grapes, but the fact is that Intellichoice shouldn't be handing out awards without taking capabilities into account. If the Tundra had lost to a "real" truck, that's one thing, but to lose to a hybrid truck with almost half the available towing capacity (not to mention the reduced overall performance) is just insulting.

It's all fine and well to rank vehicles for their value, but it should be done with the final buyer in mind.


LexSucksLexSucks - 2/17/2010 1:38:43 PM
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I see your point. The folks who purchase these types of vehicles will have to find out what the capabilities are, and not rely on awards.


veyron1001veyron1001 - 2/17/2010 12:10:23 PM
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Because GM, Ford, and Dodge make their sales from the slogan BUY AMERICAN no foreigner stuff and people buy it.


LexSucksLexSucks - 2/17/2010 12:11:36 PM
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Then it doesn't have anything to do with the Tundra recalls and rust problems?


pennfootballpennfootball - 2/17/2010 2:22:22 PM
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That was on previous tundra Yum yum with rust, the recall is just on gas pedals not toeing ability


91z4me91z4me - 2/17/2010 12:21:08 PM
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You do realize that the half ton segment doesn't refer to towing capacity right? It refers to payload capacity. According to Chevy.com the payload capacity for the Silverado 2wd hybrid is 1511 lbs (more than a half a ton).

Perhaps the 'experts' at TundraHQ should learn more about trucks. To educate them here is an article on how to find the payload capacity.
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/auto-parts/towing/towing-capacity/vehicle/payload.htm


Mason3RobertMason3Robert - 2/17/2010 12:43:15 PM
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I believe the author was leaning more towards the reson in which companies do studies and announce reccomendations to potential consumers. For you to claim the GW Hybrid the winner based on X then you have to consider what these type of truck are primarily used for......and both that's payload & towing.

Why would I take this reccomendation's advice and purchase a truck with numbers as minimal as this Hybrid in any of the two categories???? The answer is I wouldn't and many others would agree. This would equate to buying an S550 to save gas or BMW 550i living in Wisconsin where it snows a good portion or the winter season......

Hope I didnt lose you...


91z4me91z4me - 2/17/2010 12:50:22 PM
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I am not saying that the GM truck was the best. I was merely telling him why the GM hyrbid truck was a 1/2 ton. His statement that it had no business being a half ton because of its low tow rating was idiotic, since the class is defined based on payload capacity and not tow rating.


upwardsupwards - 2/17/2010 1:01:10 PM
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Lol!


Mason3RobertMason3Robert - 2/17/2010 1:29:09 PM
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Oh, ma bad...LOL


tundrahqtundrahq - 2/17/2010 1:37:06 PM
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Ya - *I'm* the idiot. Ford did a study a couple of years ago and found that nearly 40% of trucks sales are directly attributed to towing needs. Towing is a BIG part of the truck market - in fact it's likely the primary reason that people to choose to buy full-size pickups, with work-truck use coming in at 2nd place.

As for your comments about payload being the reason that trucks are considered 1/2 ton, 3/4 ton, 1 ton, etc., you're so far away from the truth it's not even funny. Those designations are meaningless in terms of payload - they're just industry jargon.

A 2010 Tacoma, which is *not* a 1/2 ton, can haul 1,350 lbs. An extended cab 2010 Dakota (also not considered a half-ton) can haul more than 1,800 lbs. Compare those numbers to any half-ton and you'll see that payload isn't that different.

Here's a tip, 91z4me: Before you go piping off about something, maybe you should make sure you actually know what you're talking about.


91z4me91z4me - 2/17/2010 5:07:28 PM
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Again you are wrong, surprising. The designation of half ton came about because the payload for those models was, guess what, half a ton. Shocking I know! Since the time this was true, until now the designation has stuck.

So let me ask you the question: what constitutes a half ton pickup? If it is towing capacity, well that makes no sense at all because many of these trucks tow up to and beyond 10,000 lbs. Is it 4wd? Because there are multiple 2wd models that easily perform the functions of a 'half ton' trucks.

So since you are so smart tell us what makes something a half ton.


tundrahqtundrahq - 2/17/2010 9:14:53 PM
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91z4me - So you're saying that you would have been correct 40 or 50 years ago, but you're admitting that you're wrong now - is that it? "1/2 ton" hasn't meant anything since the 50's - get a clue.


tundrahqtundrahq - 2/17/2010 9:51:43 PM
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To answer your question, a "half-ton" doesn't technically exist. All the manufacturers refer to their "half-tons" as Full-size in their literature, and all of their "3/4" & "1 tons" as either Heavy Duty or SuperDuty. "Half-ton" is just jargon for "Full Size" (or at least it has been for the last half-century).

What makes a full-size? The simple answer is bigger than a compact, but smaller than an HD. Technically, GVWR also enters into the equation (full-size trucks and SUV's have GVWR's of 6k+ lbs), but it's not a hard and fast rule. Over the last 20 years, GVWR's have crept up with vehicle weights. To be honest, I think there will be a day when all of these designations fall away. Mahindra's new Pik-up has many of the features of a full-size in terms of towing and hauling, yet they're slightly smaller than a compact in terms of size.

Towing is also a good way to designate a half-ton, but again it's not a hard and fast rule. In today's market, most half-tons can pull 8k to 11k lbs, and most 3/4 tons can pull 12k+. Ford's Superduty F450 is technically a "light-duty" truck in the government's eyes (another stupid moniker), and I believe those are rated to pull 20k+ lbs when properly equipped (or something like that).


WhelanWhelan - 2/17/2010 1:06:10 PM
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I dunno about anyone else, but a 6,100lb. towing capacity is not bad at all for a Hybrid. That's almost double what most small or regular size SUVs are rated for. Besides, I don't think people buying Hybrid pickup trucks are going to be towing horse trailers and double axle campers.

If your gonna tow things that heavy, the obvious choice would be to go diesel. Hence there is little market for hybrid pickups at this time, diesel makes so much more sense for what a truck is meant to do.


pennfootballpennfootball - 2/17/2010 2:24:15 PM
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Well if you wanna go by toeing the Porsche Truck can toe 7,500 Pounds while lapping the nurenburgring faster then a Golf GTI!! lol


veyron1001veyron1001 - 2/18/2010 12:29:03 PM
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Do you have a link to that by any chance? I want to see that.


r_driver04r_driver04 - 2/17/2010 3:58:15 PM
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What self respecting contractor pulls up on a jobsite in a hybrid p/u? Come the heck on! This thing would barely tow a nice boat on flat ground, a tail wind, half tank of fuel, no fuel for the boat, with no gear or passengers aboard. Hybrid p/u trucks are for pretenders. Just man up and go buy a diesel for crying out loud.

What a stupid comparison and article.


bfghemicudabfghemicuda - 2/17/2010 10:00:09 PM
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Amen brother


upwardsupwards - 2/18/2010 3:22:15 PM
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Good point! I used to think because a foreign car was made in the US and employed Americans it was good for our country. What we often forget that profit is what's left after the employees are paid and etc but when a foreign car is sold to an American we are just moving money from Mr.Smith hand in New York to Mr.. Johnson hand in Kentucky and not adding any money to our economy because in the end of the all transactions and the foreign company pays its bills and labor they are free to move Billions out of our country and that's less money for Americans to exchange with each other. This is why things have been going down hill in this nation for the last 50 years and why other nations have seen steady growth at our expense.


800over800over - 2/18/2010 7:29:48 PM
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UAW since you know all about the Canadian Economy and how GM relates....how much money did the Canadian government flush into GM before it went belly up? I'm not talking about the money they'll get back through their ownership. I'm talking about the money that GM bled in the last few months that the Government never expects to get back. How many BILLIONS?


800over800over - 2/18/2010 7:27:25 PM
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Intellichoice is the Autospies of the the Automotive Awards. Take that for what you will.


Joe_LimonJoe_Limon - 2/18/2010 7:31:25 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrieIkkTx7Y


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