Audi Unleashes A Tidal Wave Of Information On The RS5 BUT Is It Underpowered?

Audi Unleashes A Tidal Wave Of Information On The RS5 BUT Is It Underpowered?
With the Audi RS5's brochure leaking out this past weekend, Audi decided "Eh, what's the point" and unleashed a tidal wave of information about the all-new RS5.

Granted they make it clear to emphasize in BIG RED LETTERS, that there is currently NO information about bringing the car to the U.S. as of now. Will they leave out the North American market again, like the B5 RS4 and the latest RS6? Hopefully not, as there is a demand for RS cars in the States.

Regardless, the information put out today is telling us that Audi will use a modified version of its infamous 4.2L V8 from the B7 RS4 and current R8. It is said to produce 450-horsepower and 317 lb-ft of torque. Mated to this motor will be a seven-speed dual-clutch S-tronic transmission.

0-60 comes in a claimed 4.6 seconds, but we're betting that's a couple tenths conservative.

But there is an elephant in the room: does this car need more power? With the BMW M3 and Mercedes-Benz C63 on the market for a couple of years, they are producing relatively similar numbers where as the RS5 is a fresh product.

Do you think the RS5 should have blown away the competition with 500-horsepower plus? OR has Audi given this 5 more than enough power?

Discuss and let us know in the comments below...

Audi's press release follows:

Audi to present the RS 5 in Geneva

- Coupé with 331 kW (450 PS) high-revving V8 engine
- RS 5 also efficient - 10.8 liters per 100 km (21.78 US mpg)
- Newly-developed center differential for quattro drivetrain

INGOLSTADT, Germany, Feb 22, 2010  -  Please note, there is no information regarding U.S. availability of the RS 5 at this time.

Unbridled power lurking in a classically elegant coupé: the Audi RS 5 will debut at the Geneva Auto Show. The high-revving 4.2-liter V8 with its 331 kW (450 hp) unleashes powerful performance while achieving remarkable fuel economy. The seven-speed S tronic and an innovative center differential in the quattro drivetrain transmit power to all four wheels.

Developed by quattro GmbH, the RS models comprise the dynamic spearhead of Audi‘s model range. The RS 5 is the latest torchbearer in a tradition dating back over 15 years to the RS 2 Avant: superior handling in the mid-size class.

A close relative of the V10 which powers the high-performance R8 sports car, the high-revving V8 engine delivers its output from a displacement of 4,163 cm3. Like nearly every Audi gasoline engine, this one also operates via direct fuel injection known by the abbreviation FSI. This same technology has propelled the Audi R8 racing car to four triumphs at the classic endurance race in Le Mans. The common-rail system generates up to 120 bars of pressure.

Intensive fine-tuning of the dual-branch intake and exhaust system allows the undersquare engine to breathe freely; four adjustable camshafts and tumble flaps in the intake manifold facilitate mixture formation. The 4.2 FSI provides imposing torque and is right at home even at high revs – almost like a race engine. The engine delivers 331 kW (450 hp) at 8,250 rpm and – between 4,000 and 6,000 rpm - transmits a maximum of 430 Nm (317.15 lb-ft) of torque.

The vigorous strength, the spontaneous responsiveness, the joyful high-revving, and the throaty, sonorous music: this V8 produced by hand at Audi stunningly combines the essence of power and emotion. The 4.2 FSI propels the coupé’s 1,725 kilograms (3,802.97 pounds) in 4.6 seconds from 0 to 100 km/h (0 to 62.14 mph) to an electronically governed top speed of 250 km/h (155.34 mph). Audi can increase that to 280 km/h (173.98 mph) upon request.

Impressive efficiency: just 10.8 liters of fuel per 100 km
Efficiency is standard in every Audi; the RS 5 is no exception. The ultra-powerful eight-cylinder engine averages 10.8 liters of fuel per 100 kilometers (21.78 miles US mpg) - far less than its main competitors. This impressive figure is due in part to the technologies from the Audi modular efficiency platform. The engine and the entire drivetrain have been optimized to minimize friction, the oil pump operates on demand, and an energy-recovery system conserves energy during coasting and braking.

The standard seven-speed S tronic in the RS 5 – with its high efficiency ratio and its high-geared top speed – also enhances efficiency. It consists of two clutches and two subsidiary transmissions. Both subsidiary transmissions are continuously active, but only one is powered at any given time by the engine. Gears are alternately shifted by the two clutches – at lightning speed, smoothly, and almost imperceptibly.

The seven-speed S tronic, which was specially reinforced to accommodate the high-revving V8, can operate in fully automatic mode – or the driver can shift via the innovative selector lever or shift paddles on the steering wheel. By means of the standard Audi drive select, the driver can switch in automatic mode among three different options: auto, comfort, and dynamic. In the launch control program, the seven-speed S tronic ensures flawless acceleration from a standstill – at full power and with minimal tire slip.

New quattro technology: the crown-gear differential
Like all RS models, the RS 5 also applies its power to the road with quattro permanent all-wheel drive. As for the center differential, which regulates power distribution between the front and rear axles, Audi – the leading all-wheel-drive brand – unveils the next generation: a crown-gear differential.

The self-locking crown-gear center differential is compact and lightweight – and attains a high efficiency ratio.

Thanks to its package of plates, the differential can widely vary the distribution of torque between the front and rear axles. If necessary, up to 70 percent can flow to the front or as much as 85 percent toward the tail end. The 40:60 ratio of the standard rear-biased configuration ensures sporty handling.

This new differential operates in conjunction with electronic torque vectoring, which affects all four wheels. If one of the inside wheels becomes imbalanced while the vehicle is at its operational limits, then the system slightly decelerates the wheel to obviate wheel spin. This results in terrific traction on the one hand while generating a yaw moment which aids cornering.

As a perfect complement to the new quattro drivetrain, Audi can optionally position the sport differential at the rear axle. It actively distributes torque between the rear wheels in order to further boost stability and grip at the vehicle’s limits of handling. The electronic management of the RS 5 sport differential was designed to be uncompromisingly dynamic.

With regard to the springs, shock absorbers, elastokinematics, and the anti-roll bars, the RS 5 chassis exhibits a sporty configuration and renders the body 20 millimeters (0.79 inches) lower than that of the Audi A5. The 19-inch alloy wheels fitted with 265/35 tires are standard. They are executed in an exclusive 5-arm structure design. The RS 5 optionally comes with 20-inch wheels and 275/30 tires. Winter wheels featuring the same dimensions are available; the 19-inch wheel is suitable for snow chains.

The brake system employs powerful and internally ventilated discs, which measure 365 millimeters (14.37 inches) in diameter at the front axle. In order to maximize the dissipation of heat, the steel friction rings are perforated and connected by pins to the aluminum brake discs. The high-gloss black brake calipers bearing RS logos are likewise made of aluminum; the front calipers are fitted with eight pistons each. Audi can optionally fit the front axle with ceramic carbon-fiber brake discs measuring 380 millimeters (14.96 inches) in diameter. They are extremely lightweight, strong, and durable. The electronic stabilization program (ESP) integrates a sport mode and can be switched off entirely.

Even more dynamics: Audi drive select
The speed-dependent servotronic steering in the RS 5 is especially taut. The standard Audi drive select (a vehicle-dynamics control system) allows the driver to switch among three modes of operation – comfort, auto, and dynamic – to adjust steering, the seven-speed S tronic, the sport differential, the engine, and the exhaust system. And if the car is equipped with the MMI navigation system, a fourth mode allows the driver to customize their own profile.

As regards the engine, Audi drive select controls the exhaust system’s two throttle valves and the sound flaps; when they open, the rich sound becomes even more resonant. Along with the sport differential, dynamic steering is another optional component of Audi drive select. Dynamic steering adjusts the steering ratio to a vehicle’s speed – directly for maneuvering at low speeds and indirectly for traveling at highway speeds. At the vehicle’s cornering limits, it automatically ensures smooth handling via minor corrective actions.

The RS 5 exudes an athletic and powerful identity; its classically beautiful coupé styling dazzles with new and clear-cut accents. Its single-frame grille bears a shiny charcoal-gray rhombus-pattern grid. Xenon plus headlights boasting a sweeping strip of LED daytime running lights are standard. The oversized air inlets for the engine, front brakes, and the radiators are bordered by striking contours. The newly designed bumper tapers downward into a splitter.

The flared fenders with the crisp horizontal upper edges are reminiscent of a classic Audi: namely, the all-wheel-drive pioneer Audi quattro, which itself debuted at the Geneva Auto Show 30 years ago. The side sills bear angular caps; the trim strips on the single-frame grille and near the side windows as well as the outside mirrors’ covers feature a matt aluminum look. Eight different paint finishes are available.

The tail end is dominated by two oval exhaust pipes integrated within the bumper. A large diffuser protrudes prominently upward. The spoiler in the tailgate automatically extends at a speed of 120 km/h (74.56 mph) and retracts at 80 km/h (49.71 mph).

The extensively clad underbody of the RS 5 integrates air vents for the seven-speed S tronic and the front brakes. At highway speeds, the aerodynamic characteristics of the RS 5 generate downforce to further enhance stability.

Dynamic elegance: the interior
The vehicle’s dynamically elegant styling extends to the interior. Sports seats with pronounced side sections and integrated head restraints are standard. They are electrically adjustable and feature a leather/Alcantara combination. Alternatives include bucket seats with more prominent contours and folding backrests or ventilated and luxuriously upholstered climate-controlled comfort seats.

The steering wheel has a substantial rim and is covered with perforated leather. The instruments have black gauges and white lettering with distinctive scaling. When the ignition is switched on, the red needles briefly rise high and then drop back down. The driver information system integrates a lap timer for recording circuit times and an oil-temperature gauge. Just like the optional MMI navigation systems’ monitor, it displays an RS greeting upon ignition.

The interior is black and the decorative inlays are made of carbon fiber. A fascia in the instrument panel features a piano finish. The pedals, the footrests, and the optional MMI navigation systems’ control buttons gleam thanks to their aluminum look. Moreover, the door handles consist of two slim strips – typical of Audi RS models. Aluminum inserts adorn the door sill trims and RS 5 logos lend dynamic highlights to the interior.

Upon request, truly exclusive features such as decorative inlays with a dark, stainless-steel mesh look, a black piano finish or brushed aluminum are available. Or seat upholstery featuring special leathers and colors as well as silver headlining. In addition, the Audi exclusive RS program offers options such as suede-covered controls and floor mats bearing RS 5 logos.

A Carbon design package is available for the engine compartment and, for the vehicle body, there are styling packages in black or matt aluminum look. And the acoustically bold Sport exhaust system – also with a sound flap – has black tailpipe trims.

Sales of the Audi RS 5 will begin in the spring. Its basic price will be approximately 77,700 euros.










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dlindlin - 2/23/2010 12:28:08 AM
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No, very impressive in fact. Hp & torque per liter are more than that of M3, yet MPG is 30% better. AUDI starts to win attention from BMW owner like me, but when are they gonna offer damn RWD?


Agent00RAgent00R - 2/23/2010 12:36:22 AM
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Its HP IS a bit more than the M3 BUT remember the M is a track monster.

Tq is not up THAT much more substantially from the M3's 295 lb-ft.

What IS important is that the M3 weighs approximately 100 lbs less...



JMB1013JMB1013 - 2/23/2010 10:08:07 AM
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100 lbs more when the RS5 has AWD, and has more power and torque, is not as mismatched as you make it seem


carE10carE10 - 2/23/2010 10:48:15 AM
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Despite the A5 and 335 coming to market at nearly the same time. The RS5 shows up 3 years later then the M3. They should be very closely matched, especially with the new performance package for the M3, it promises to be the best handling M car ever. I guess it will come down to if you want rwd or awd. I like driving so ill take the M3.


WorldofLuxuryWorldofLuxury - 2/23/2010 12:35:20 AM
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Naturally aspirated! I'm not hating on turbos, but boy am I happy. However, I don't like how some people consider the engine a downgrade from the RS6's.


Agent00RAgent00R - 2/23/2010 12:38:03 AM
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I wouldn't consider it a downgrade as they are two totally different motors. Can't compare a bi-turbo V10 to a N/A V8.

Just seems that Audi held back on the RS5's powerplant and they could have pushed out more power.


Joe_LimonJoe_Limon - 2/23/2010 1:13:17 AM
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Is that 21mpg on the European cycle? aka 15mpg on other side of the puddle?


I95SPEEDINGTICKETSI95SPEEDINGTICKETS - 2/23/2010 2:45:50 AM
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WTF ?

Read the Bloody Article

{- RS 5 also efficient - 10.8 liters per 100 km (21.78 US mpg) -}


Joe_LimonJoe_Limon - 2/23/2010 9:34:53 AM
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that is us gallons, not epa mpg. I read the article.


Joe_LimonJoe_Limon - 2/23/2010 9:38:41 AM
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The M3 gets 22.8 US MPG combined according to the European cycle.


bmwdrvrbmwdrvr - 2/23/2010 11:22:15 AM
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not to mention you cant really use Audis estimates as fact, the 2.0T A4has better epa ratings than the 3.0 328i yet in real world driving gets worse gas mileage. Not to mention realistically unless the RS5 gets a significant improvent in gas mileage over the lesser S5 it is very unlikely it will beat the M3 in fuel efficiency. The S5 with 350hp V8 is no faster than a 300hp 335i turbo6 yet no more fuel efficient than the 400+ hp M3


AlleVierAlleVier - 2/23/2010 3:03:17 PM
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So, bmwdrvr, we CAN use your "real world" perception as fact? How gracious.


bmwdrvrbmwdrvr - 2/23/2010 6:27:10 PM
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no but instead of being bias, you can simply do some research by looking at the "observed" numbers in comparison tests to see. Ive never driven the A4 2.0t and would have no reason to, so Im basing my information on road tests and comparison tests.


AlleVierAlleVier - 2/23/2010 8:55:48 PM
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The EPA rating has its flaws, but it is standardized. Observed-mileage figures in enthusiast publications are not standardized. That's all you need to know.


bclemansbclemans - 2/23/2010 1:29:54 AM
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HP is just right as it shouldn't be faster (or too much faster) than the more expensive R8. Which makes me think that the 2011 R8 will get the same engine as the RS5 (with the same or even slightly more horses) to keep the Audi's hierarchy.


rxh8me9000rxh8me9000 - 2/23/2010 1:52:47 AM
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The numbers are perfect.Its right where it should be and will be going head to head with the ///M. I dont really consider the C63 its competition due to it being a sedan.The only thing I would have changed is maybe added a little more torque,but hey if its putting out 0-60 times of 4.6 than who cares. I'm sure magazines will get a 4.4 or less 0-60.Depending on the weight of the car and judging from the 0-60 im going to guess the 1/4m time to be around 12.5 @114 mph.


AudiNewEnglandAudiNewEngland - 2/23/2010 2:03:22 AM
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Let's just hope Audi is being super conservative.


GermanNutGermanNut - 2/23/2010 7:20:34 AM
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The 4.2 FSI propels the coupé’s 1,725 kilograms (3,802.97 pounds) in 4.6 seconds from 0 to 100 km/h (0 to 62.14 mph)

It is 0-62 MPH NOT 60 MPH in 4.6 seconds. That means 0-60 MPH is 4.4 or 4.5 SECONDS.

This car is NOT underpowered. The BMW M3 Coupe does 0-60 in 4.5 seconds officially with the MDCT transmission.





JRobUSCJRobUSC - 2/23/2010 10:19:35 AM
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and has been tested as low as 4.1 seconds. My guess is the two cars will offer very similar performance, which is why I too was surprised that Audi didn't leapfrog the M3 significantly (in fact I pointed that out two days ago). Why? Because the M3 will be on the verge of being an outgoing model by the time the RS5 comes out. Assuming Audi brings this car stateside for 2012, which they might not, BMW will have a brand new M3 out within a year or two. In past years Audi and BMW have one upped each other with each new iteration, each enjoying a period of "dominance" over the other until the new car came out. That didn't happen here, which is going to put the RS5 behind the curve not long after it debuts.


Agent00RAgent00R - 2/23/2010 10:28:39 AM
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@Jrob

On the money!


bmwdrvrbmwdrvr - 2/23/2010 11:18:23 AM
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Well for one thing BMW's official times are typically slower than actual, while Audi's tend to be slower or right now normally slower. So, how much faster it is than the lower powered M3 if at all remains to be seen


AlleVierAlleVier - 2/23/2010 4:06:06 PM
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JRobUSC, I'm not so sure the new M3 is going to "leapfrog" the old M3 in these mileage-conscious times let alone the RS5. I'm sure it'll be more powerful, but I don't think it will be a huge leap without some serious fuel efficiency gains--though I must admit that if any car company and specific model needs to do it, it would be BMW and the M3 as it depends on its track supremacy more than than any Audi.

Furthermore, without any complicated marketing hierarchy like Audi has (e.g., must be slower than Lamborghini, must cost more than Volkswagen) BMW is pretty much free to upwardly position the M3 where it wants in terms of performance. And we all know this stuff about how fast the RS5 or the M3 needs to be is purely a marketing question, right?


GermanNutGermanNut - 2/23/2010 7:34:04 AM
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We know in terms of acceleration, the Audi RS5 will MATCH BMW's M3.

The RS5 in fact, has slightly FASTER 0-60 mph (4.4 for Audi RS5 vs. 4.5 sec. for BMW M3) because Audi's 0-62 MPH is 4.6 seconds. The RS5 has 35 more horsepower (450 for RS5 vs. 415 for M3) and 23 lb.ft more torqe than the M3 (317.5 lb-ft. for Audi RS5 vs. 295 lb.-ft for BMW M3).

The RS5 weighs only 100 lbs. more than the M3 but it is also MORE fuel efficient.

Clearly, the Audi RS5 is not underpowerd. If anything, the RS5 will be at least as fast as the BMW M3 in the straights, and I'm willing to bet when the road starts getting twist, even slightly faster than BMW's M3 on the Nurburgring.


M53RM53R - 2/23/2010 8:57:16 AM
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NEWSFLASH: The M3 is almost 3 years old now and yet the RS5 has almost identical acceleration times and power.


gkearns56gkearns56 - 2/23/2010 8:23:27 AM
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Going 0-62 MPH in 4.5, 4.6, 4.7 - does that .1 of a second make that big of a difference. I like to cool looking wheels. I've seen these on the internet somewhere; anyone happen to know a link for cool wheels so I can put them on my new Audi. Not a bad looking vehicle.


WhelanWhelan - 2/23/2010 9:14:55 AM
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Why would it be underpowered. People think the HP numbers on the M3 are underpowered for what it is, but look at the performance it has. So why should the Audi be any different. Torque is a better measure of power anyways. HP is a number used to get consumer interest. If your an enthusiast you should follow the right facts.


bmwdrvrbmwdrvr - 2/23/2010 9:25:25 AM
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Underpowered who makes these articles its the most powerful in the class right now how is it underpowered....wth lol, seriously? I have a feeling it may be "overpriced" based on the fact the S4 easily runs into M3 territory. One thing I do like about it is has a clean modern aggresive look without looking tacky or Speed Racerish or like a tuner car. The pictures from the brochure without the front silver trim I liked better but good looking car...


GermanNutGermanNut - 2/23/2010 9:33:17 AM
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NEWSFLASH: The Audi RS5 maybe 3 years newer than the BMW M3, but Audi wouldn't have made the RS5's officially quoted 0-60 acceleration time any faster because it would step on the R8's toes (a big NO,NO from a marketing and brand strategy viewpoint).

Even with that said:

1. The Audi RS5 has more HP & torque per liter than the M3 and also more absolute HP and torque.

2. The RS5 is 30% more fuel efficient than the M3

3. The RS5 weighs only 100 lbs. more than the M3

4. The RS5 accelerates slightly faster than the M3

5. The RS5 has a new crown-gear differential, which will certainly wreak havoc for the M3 considering Audi's S4 with its Audi Drive Select and active rear sport-differential already managed to defeat the BMW 335i in more than 5 comparison tests, most notably Car and Driver's.

If the RS5'snew crown-gear differential is indeed much better than the active rear differential on Audi's S4 the BMW M3 will lose both in the straights, and on the track, I'm calling it now. The RS5 will simply have too much horsepower, torque, grip, and handling capability for the M3 to handle on the straights or on a track.

I'm saying the RS5 is at least 5 seconds faster than BMW's M3 on the Nurburgring, which would make it faster than the R8 around the 'Ring, but I think it will happen.

Underpowered? LOL..not if the RS5 can accelerate faster, and lap a track faster than any competitor in its class.


Joe_LimonJoe_Limon - 2/23/2010 9:37:42 AM
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The M3 gets 22.8 US MPG combined according to the European cycle.


irie77irie77 - 2/23/2010 10:10:16 AM
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As much as I'd like this car to do well with all the "BETTER" stuff, I'm not convinced that it'd would be "...at least 5 seconds faster than BMW's M3". I like Audi's and I'd have to wait until a few good comps are done by reputable 3rd parties to get rid of the speculation.

At the end of the day whether it's faster or slower than the 3 year old M3, it's certainly a good looking Coupe and looks like it may have a spot in the stable should AoA decided to bring it across the pond with the right options (those two tone seats, suede steering wheel, possible flat bottom etc.) as well.

With the right conditions, the underpowered M3 can be faster depending on many variables and an extremely skillful driver. Now would that make it the better car? I think not. If you like the RS5 get it whether it's faster or not. If you also like the M3 get that as well. Have both. Anything wrong with that?

My D___ is longer and fatter than your crap should be left for those that...


JRobUSCJRobUSC - 2/23/2010 11:00:35 AM
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Let's go point by point:

"1. The Audi RS5 has more HP & torque per liter than the M3 and also more absolute HP and torque."

Yes, 105hp/L vs 107hp/L. Woohoo. Both are good.

"2. The RS5 is 30% more fuel efficient than the M3."

Not even close. The RS5 is rated at 10.8L/100km, the M3 at 11.2L/100km. For us stupid Americans, that's 0.11 gallons per 62 miles, which is literally pennies (in fact it's half a penny per mile). And since the RS5 costs $13600 more than the M3, I don't think that will factor into anyones decision to buy one over the other (it would take 2.72 MILLION miles of driving to recoup that).

"3. The RS5 weighs only 100 lbs. more than the M3"

Correct. More is more.

"4. The RS5 accelerates slightly faster than the M3"

You don't know that.

"5. The RS5 has a new crown-gear differential, which will certainly wreak havoc for the M3 considering Audi's S4 with its Audi Drive Select and active rear sport-differential already managed to defeat the BMW 335i in more than 5 comparison tests, most notably Car and Driver's."

And the S5 has lost to the 335i in many comparisons as well. Neither of which have anything to do with this, though, since the M3 has the M Locking Differential AND Electronic Damper Control, two things the 335i does not have, which perform the same functions as that differential and Audi Drive Select.

"If the RS5'snew crown-gear differential is indeed much better than the active rear differential on Audi's S4 the BMW M3 will lose both in the straights, and on the track, I'm calling it now. The RS5 will simply have too much horsepower, torque, grip, and handling capability for the M3 to handle on the straights or on a track."

Again, pure conjecture, based on nothing but blind brand loyalty. BMW's M Locking Differential has worked pretty well for BMW, and even Edmunds.com (who produces notoriously "slow" test results) got the M3 0-60 in 4.3 seconds, 0.95g on the skidpad, and 73mph in the slalom (which incidentally was a record for volume production vehicles).

"I'm saying the RS5 is at least 5 seconds faster than BMW's M3 on the Nurburgring, which would make it faster than the R8 around the 'Ring, but I think it will happen."

Glad you brought that up. The M3 laps The Ring identically to the R8. Above you mentioned how there was no way Audi would make the RS5 a better performer than the R8. Here you say they will. Why? Because it would have to be in order to beat the M3. Flip flop much?

"Underpowered? LOL..not if the RS5 can accelerate faster, and lap a track faster than any competitor in its class."

More posturing. It might very well do all those things, but you don't know that. The point is Audi should have aimed higher with the car, because if it does it's only going to do so barely, and only for a very short time.


irie77irie77 - 2/23/2010 3:49:35 PM
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@ JRobUSC, Looking for ways to agree with you more and I'm unable to do so at this point. I'm in agreement with you on the above.

However, looking forward to driving and perhaps adding this vehicle to the stable if it comes across the pond to the USA whether it's faster than the M3 or not.


GermanNutGermanNut - 2/23/2010 9:42:07 AM
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Straight from bmwusa.com: The BMW M3 gets 20 mpg highway.

Either way, for the RS5 to be more fuel efficient when it ways 100 lbs. more, has 35 more horsepower and 23 more lb.ft. of torque than the BMW M3 is very impressive.


GermanNutGermanNut - 2/23/2010 9:55:35 AM
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All I'm saying is that for a car that weighs 100 lbs. more than its competitor, has 35 more horsepower, and 23 more lb ft. of torque, but achieves BETTER fuel economy (I don't care if its 1 or 2 or 30 mpg) is quite a technological achievement.

Look like Audi is being increasingly mindful of both excellent performance and fuel efficiency even with its most sporting offerings.


GermanNutGermanNut - 2/23/2010 9:55:36 AM
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All I'm saying is that for a car that weighs 100 lbs. more than its competitor, has 35 more horsepower, and 23 more lb ft. of torque, but achieves BETTER fuel economy (I don't care if its 1 or 2 or 30 mpg) is quite a technological achievement.

Look like Audi is being increasingly mindful of both excellent performance and fuel efficiency even with its most sporting offerings.


LexSucksLexSucks - 2/23/2010 10:33:02 AM
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What happened to the extended wheel arches? Looks like a fancy S5. I must be the only person in the world who isn't going gaga over the S5/A5/RS5's design. They do nothing for me. Too chuncky looking.


cs4444cs4444 - 2/23/2010 10:55:49 AM
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I cant stand the massive grill, and the silver bottom lip on the bumper. looks tacky.


markanthony0419markanthony0419 - 2/23/2010 11:20:19 AM
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jrob- as usual is right on the money beat me to the facts


markanthony0419markanthony0419 - 2/23/2010 11:30:27 AM
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i cant believe i am going to say this but if you watch top gear they proved that actual hp means nothing. They had a shootout between the m6 the aston martin v8 vantage and the 911 and the 911 had the best numbers and had the LEAST amount of hp. what i am trying to say is its not what you have but how you use it. the m is proven till you drive the rs5 (which nobody on here has) stop the nonsense with assumptions.


pennfootballpennfootball - 2/23/2010 11:57:11 AM
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It needs more torque Captain and a pair of turbo's!


BondMI6BondMI6 - 2/23/2010 12:13:47 PM
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Definitely could use some more torque- HP is fine. If it had say 350-400 lbs we'd bee looking at 0-60's in the high 3's.........


AlexTxAlexTx - 2/23/2010 3:51:46 PM
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It's all about when the torque is delivered....
90% of that torque will be delivered from 1,500 rpm on so it has plenty of Torque at 317lbs.
This is not V-Tech


NeverfollowNeverfollow - 2/23/2010 7:56:15 PM
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Guy's, this is probably the last of the breed of this kind of car. With all the mandates for CAFE mpg and what-not, it is getting harder and harder to justify building this type of engine exclusively for low production hand made cars. It is EXTREMELY expensive to do so and to get them EPA'd and certified for sale in several different countries. Other cars will have to use it in order to justify the expense. That's why it is 4.2 based. The fact that they can squeeze that much power out of that little displacement is very impressive. Not many manufacturers other than Ferrari can say that without adding a blower of some sort. I believe the next gen M3 will be moving away from a V8 for all the same reasons leaving the Audi as the only premium German coupe that'll have one.

This is precision crafted engine building at it's finest. Given the parameters of 4.2 based displacement, fuel economy, and power output, this is excellent work.....an engineer's engine using nothing but natural aspiration and pure combustion. Awesome!


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