Are You Going To Consider Reliabilty AND Recalls In Your Next Vehicle Purchase Decision?

Are You Going To Consider Reliabilty AND Recalls In Your Next Vehicle Purchase Decision?
We all know visits to the dealerships are pain in the butt.  They waste time, money and effort.  Even a simple visit for warranty work will cost you time if not money.

Now a lot of our readers jump on the reliability bandwagon and tout just how much more reliable their rides are than those other seemingly less fortunate souls.  This is fine if it is your way of filling that need to be superior, but some of this is based on fact but more often than not, most is based on perception.  After all a reliable car, is a safe one, right?

The reality is that the best average dependability scores of  2009 at 122 (both Buick and Jaguar) and the worst at 266 (Suzuki) equates to 2 more unscheduled visits for such issues on average over 3 years.  Now this is important, but the fact remains that it is pretty easy to own a Buick that ended up in dealership 3 times in 3 years, while your next door neighbor's Suzuki ran flawlessly for the same time period.  It is all about chances.

Reliability benchmarks have their place, but those figures really need to be considered as part of the purchase process not as the sole criteria for choosing a brand.  My reasoning is simple, not every car is a winner when it comes to reliability.  Some models have significant issues, while others stroll along without an incident.  In other words do your homework.

Now we all know the public in general is becoming hypersensitive to recalls.  The tides have changed, and brand awareness now is at an all time high, not for reliability, but for the possibility of a recall safety is the key issue here. 

If you have owned any vehicle for several years your chance of being affected by a recall is pretty darn good.  By looking at the figures, it is easy to some brands out theremay be experiencing 2 unscheduled visits to the dealerships for reliability issues, but if you look deeper, they are also at risk 2 to 3 visits in the same time frame for a recall as well.

This is only going to get worse as the NHTSA tries to cleanup their act over the next few years, and at the same time automakers will scurry to cover their legal risks.  Be reminded that recalls are for safety defects and therefore are extremely important.

With all of this being said.  When you make your next purchase, are you going to weight in the likelihood of a recall in your purchase decision or just let the chips fall as they may?

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theman440theman440 - 2/25/2010 4:49:01 PM
+4 Boost
Exactly !


Joe_LimonJoe_Limon - 2/25/2010 4:49:08 PM
+5 Boost
no... I'm going to buy what I see the most of </sarcasm>


theoptimisticpessimisttheoptimisticpessimist - 2/25/2010 4:54:27 PM
+6 Boost
They are on the list of things to consider, but not a the top. Fun to drive is the top of the list, I am willing to put up with a few problems for a more enjoyable drive.


BHumpBHump - 2/25/2010 6:08:45 PM
+2 Boost
In this day and age, you should be able to have both at the very top of the list!


JRobUSCJRobUSC - 2/25/2010 7:11:07 PM
+3 Boost
bhump, when the difference between the "best" and the "worst" is (on average) two unscheduled service visits over a three year timespan, I think you ARE getting both. That's why these lists are so silly now -- many car shoppers will see the list and just go "oh well, BrandXYZ is crap, I'm crossing them off my list" without bothering to put what they're seeing into context.


g2okg2ok - 2/25/2010 4:55:55 PM
0 Boost
Yes, but also consider if the problems have been resolved.


Joe_LimonJoe_Limon - 2/25/2010 5:35:27 PM
+1 Boost
How would I go about getting a list of all the non resolved problems?


enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 2/25/2010 7:44:19 PM
+2 Boost
there's really no need to even think about this matter any longer. as the above explains, the difference between the BEST (buick) and the WORST (suzuki) adds up to 2 unscheduled repair visits over 3 years.



uaw_laxuaw_lax - 2/25/2010 7:50:03 PM
+1 Boost
I work for GM and if it was ten years ago I would have considerd another make but now there are a lot of good cars comming fron GM making it very hard to want another brand plus the stumbles of todays foregin cars.


gkearns56gkearns56 - 2/26/2010 10:51:16 AM
-2 Boost
UAW_(ex)Lax or UAW1, whatever you call yourself nowadays; you're still the fool making senseless post. Obviously you should be able to obtain both when buying a new car. I don't understand how the government can be unbiased when it has a major stake in GM. BTW: Maybe you should read yesterday's headlines about GM going to discontinue those crappy smaller trucks - the Canyon and Colorado - piece of junk built by your UAW Kronies


uaw_laxuaw_lax - 2/26/2010 3:21:03 AM
+3 Boost
"You mean foreign cars like the Made in Mexico Fusion, SRX and Escalade, designed in China LaCrosse. Maybe some future Italian Chryslers?"


They are not foreign if they are owned and made by an American company and the profits stay in America.


uaw_laxuaw_lax - 2/26/2010 5:04:33 PM
0 Boost
consistant lack of automotive knowledge!


enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 2/28/2010 10:52:40 AM
+1 Boost
by your logic huu, toyotas are american cars as they are produced at several plants across the united states. agree?


enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 2/28/2010 10:53:24 AM
+1 Boost
and the lexus RX is a canadian car because that's where all the north american RXs are produced...


XYZZXYZZ - 3/2/2010 3:52:38 AM
+1 Boost
some toyota models have INDEED been rated as having a HIGHER NA parts and labor content than ALL d3 branded competitors.


delandelan - 2/25/2010 10:35:45 PM
+3 Boost
I was millimeters away from getting a Touareg until I read the reviews on Edmunds, Cars.com, Consumer Reports, Forbes, Cnet, Consumer guide and USnews. There was an overwhelming percentage of owners who just downright rue the day they bought one. Sucks!


uaw_laxuaw_lax - 2/26/2010 3:22:26 AM
+3 Boost
Have you read todays headlines Badgewhore?


JRobUSCJRobUSC - 2/26/2010 10:29:30 AM
+4 Boost
I can't tell for sure, but I think he's being sarcastic. At least I'd hope so for his sake.


rxh8me9000rxh8me9000 - 2/26/2010 3:19:58 PM
+1 Boost
These should always be on your mind when purchasing a new vehicle. I'm a fan of the "never purchase a model in its firs year" club. I've bought too many cars the first year they came out and have had too many problems.Than stealerships wont fix most of them.Bullshit.


uaw_laxuaw_lax - 2/26/2010 5:08:37 PM
-1 Boost
never buy the firstyear of any car no matter who makes it GM, Ford, BMW Toyota anybody! becuase there is a very good chance the bugs are not worked out.


gkearns56gkearns56 - 2/27/2010 9:51:35 AM
+1 Boost
Especially if your "UAW1 buddies" built it.


XYZZXYZZ - 3/2/2010 5:14:10 AM
+1 Boost
"The reality is that the best average dependability scores of 2009 at 122 (both Buick and Jaguar) and the worst at 266 (Suzuki) equates to 2 more unscheduled visits for such issues on average over 3 years."

this about the worst oft-quoted "fact" that simply IS NOT TRUE.

a far better metric, is the CR chart that displays problems by mfgr. as vehicles age. one axis lists number of problems per 100 vehicles. the other, vehicle age.

focusing across the 100 problems line, you get the number of years each brand's cars will run before there is a problem with EVERY car produced. (being an average, of course some cars will go a few years longer before ANY problem appears. but others will have SEVERAL problems before that age.)

for most brands, that 100/100 point comes between 4 to 6 years of age. fords are good to 7 years. hondas, just over 10 years.

toyota is off the chart. by extrapolation, one could estimate that that point is only reached after 17 years.

so the worst vehicles will see shop visits FOUR TIMES MORE OFTEN than the average toyota will.

and one can expect even buicks' and jaguars' curves to climb steeply after 90 days. or at the most, after 3 years.


XYZZXYZZ - 3/2/2010 5:31:02 AM
+1 Boost
and i can back this up with personal experience. my 15 year old toy truck has NEVER BEEN BACK to the dealer.

while i never checked with him about repairs, my neighbor has a toyota truck that is ~23 years old. and it's a DAILY DRIVER.


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