With So Many Issues Out There, Are You Still In The Market To Buy A New Car?

Yes I am but not a jap crap!

The word Jap is derogatory, you in-bred bigot.

just bought one not long ago

what did you buy?

Toyota got it's ass handed to it because they didn't come forward by themselves, and they still came up with a half assed solution that apparently still doesn't work.

ALL carmakers try to downplay problems and ESPECIALLY ones that generate adverse publicity.

toyota still does MORE voluntary vs. involuntary COERCED recalls than most. and unlike others, they actually INVESTIGATE EVERY warranty claim, so they can track down bad parts to the source. part of their basic philosophy.

i can just imagine a Lemon Motor Company of the future, making this announcement:

"Unlike our competitors, who recently had issued a massive recall after 300 of their customers got killed; we PROUDLY ANNOUNCE A RECALL aftr a mere 34 people got killed in Limon cars. and we will recall EVEN MORE vehicles on top of that!"

"toyota still does MORE voluntary vs. involuntary COERCED recalls than most."

prove it. Just from this one incident I see 8.5 million forced recalls. And it looks like it may be forced again and Toyota's hand held through the recall process to make sure they actually fix their problem this time.

you need to research the DIFFERENCE between voluntary recalls and other types. and the record for ALL companies with regard to each.

and for recalls of all types, toyota is still far surpassed by ford and gm.

Badgewhore,,,Toyota has raised the bar for ignoring a huge electronics issue that even they don't know how to fix. Your loyalty to Toyota is admirable but your reasoning is questionable.

If money was gm's main consideration, wouldn't they have killed off the uaw decades ago? Not saying GM is innocent in the matter, just saying that Toyota appears to be more monetarily motivated (i.e. 30% supplier cutbacks half assed zip tie solutions, and blocking pins so the pedals can't be pressed all the way). And no, I think Honda is a good company, especially their motorcycle devision, and really want to have a gtr/370z, Toyota still makes nothing of interest.

lol badgewhore, I don't have the time or resources to prove what I think is wrong. I believe it's a software/hardware glitch. Think of it this way, sometimes windows based computers get bsod's with absolutely no repeatability. The reason why Toyota is having this issues is because there is a glitch in their code that they haven't found yet. Why haven't they found it yet? Because it isn't glaringly obvious and repeatable.

"That's like the govt. saying kill off all it's citizens and workers to save money."

History has shown that non-union companies are stronger.

"If Toyota is telling suppliers to cut cost, it's becuase they were looking out for the suppliers future survival."

LOL! hell no! If your boss cut your paycheque by 30% and gave you that same sorry ass excuse what would you say?

"If Toyota was so concern with saving money, wouldn't it be cheaper to just do what GM and Ford use to do by ignoring, denying and settling court cases"

There is plenty of evidence supporting that Toyota did just that till the government stepped in.

GM just recalled 1.3 million vehicles for power steering failure, I posted this article here yesterday but the agents must have deleted it because it takes attention away from Toyota.

Then I made a post similar to this on another thread and they deleted it!

Agents thanks for the help with my article and the pictures are great.

Just a little trimming and ad a pic. The article was a great basis to start with.

The Japanese taught the world how to make a good reliable vehicle. Truth is most all cars are Japanese including Taurus and Malibu. I don't think we have the turds that were being sold in the 80's by any maker. Are there problems, yes, but most companies do acknowledge them and the buyer really needs to utilize that warranty if they happen. I think the Camry is perfectly safe for a family vehicle.

Sorry to burst your bubble but the Malibu is more German than anything.

g2ok is mostly correct. what he really meant is that all reliable vehicles, including ford and gm products, are that way because they adopted THE TOYOYA SYSTEM of 'just in time assembly' so that a bad batch of parts don't get blindly installed in THOUSANDS of cars. (which mite still happen, but far more rarely).

in contrast, gm had been installing bad manifold gaskets in TENS of THOUSANDS of their engines. and several YEARS' of production got sold before complaints finally got back to where someone could fix them.

xyzzYou are right about GM and Ford learning the just in time system however that is not the reason why or how it works. Basicly R and D is by far the most expensive part of building a car and materials is second. When we order materials we pay for the parts and interest on thousands of parts being stored in a wharehouse somwhere not being usesd. "just in time" saves that money.

uaw, the toyota system also allows problems to be caught before being EMBEDDED in later assembly. reducing floor space needed for "set asides" as well as few to NO lemons getting let loose on the public.

could you explain please, your comment about malibu being german?

I'm still in the market. But not for another year. I am watching whats coming. It seems more new models and total updates/redesigns/etc. will be available late 2011-2012 model years and I will be in line by then.

If they can offer the new hatchback Focus with the leather trim, Syn, heated seats, sunroof, 6spd. I am really in the market. If they can offer it with the 2.0L Eco Boost engine then I'm a buyer. Of course I'll see what else is out there, but my commute and my future don't allow me the priveledge of getting a two door sports car, something too luxury, or a guzzling SUV.

don't u worry, Japanese will make good come back, I drive myself a 2005 armada and 2009 GL450. I am sure Toyota will come back better than ever

There will always be issues with Cars. I have no problem with buying a new vehicle.

Wow, you guys all seem to miss the point.
A. Toyota does have a problem that is killing people
B. They should have put safety measures into the car (like Germans) to override acceleration if the brake is also activated. That is just a smart thing to do.
C. They did try to cover up the problem, ignore the problem, and make the problem seem less serious than it was/is.
D. They did not issue a recall until forced to do so. Yes, they have done well in the past, but they screwed this one up big time and are now paying for it.
E. It does not matter if GM, Ford, or anyone else also has had recalls. That does not absolve Toyota of sin or make their recall any less serious.
F. The current fix does not seem to be an ultimate fix by any measure
G. Unions did have a great place in this country when corporations were abusing workers. However, like the corporations themselves, the unions became corrupt as the money and power rolled in. It happens. Unions are less important now then ever and it is probably time to change the way they are utilized.
H. There is a relatively minor brake problem in the Prius that causes reduced braking power on bumpy surface. Not a feel, but an actual reduction in braking power. It was fixed on models made after January, but some others need to be recalled.
I. Toyota is not perfect and no company gets to lie about a safety issue, put consumers at risk, and then walk away without punishment.