Which Luxury Sedan Do You HATE Most And Why?

Cadillac DTS. It's the last truly ugly Caddy, it burns me up inside knowing that Cadillac is making such great strides, yet they still aren't there on all fronts yet.

Excellent choice, but there are many others as well...

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The DTS is not necessarily ugly, its just the only Caddy sedan that doesnt have the new DNA in its blood.

LOL!

at least until recently, lexus never offered lowly FOUR-BANGERS like all of the supposedly "prestigious" euro brands do.

and you don't see lexus TAXI-CABS in japan either!

or old, slow, stinkin' smokey diesels all over the planet. (it IS to mb's credit that some of those dogs have survived SO LONG. by the same token however, MB itself should round 'em up, pay off the owners, and put 'em all thru a crusher. it will save them some embarassment as well as clean up the air.)

XYZ : "at least until recently, lexus never offered lowly FOUR-BANGERS like all of the supposedly "prestigious" euro brands do".

"Lexus" actually does offer lowly four bangers. They're called Toyota Corolla.
Another way to look at it, Toyota offers wannabe "luxury" cars called Lexus. Even Hyundai is now offering so called luxury cars.

"at least until recently, lexus never offered lowly FOUR-BANGERS like all of the supposedly "prestigious" euro brands do."

Those Euro brands have a history and heritage that Lexus can only dream about. Also, those Euro brands are specially adapted to global markets where a 4-cylinder engine is nothing to be ashamed about. Lexus claims they are a global brand but in reality their cars are still targeted at silly Americans who demand a V8 but drive like they're better off with a 4-cylinder.


"and you don't see lexus TAXI-CABS in japan either!"

You don't see Lexus cars being used as taxis because they're gas-guzzlers and relatively cramped (GS especially).

And I don't understand this hate on luxury cars that are used as taxis. In the case of Mercedes their use as taxis has actually enhanced their image from a durability and quality perspective. It's great advertising for the brand. I live in Munich and I see Mercedes, BMW and Audi taxis ALL THE TIME. I see and also work with tourists (mostly Americans) who ride in them and on a few occasions I've heard them comment positively on the experience.


"or old, slow, stinkin' smokey diesels all over the planet. (it IS to mb's credit that some of those dogs have survived SO LONG. by the same token however, MB itself should round 'em up, pay off the owners, and put 'em all thru a crusher. it will save them some embarassment as well as clean up the air.)"

This has got to be the dumbest post ever. Oh, and learn how to spell "embarrassment" and "through" properly. It might help your credibility.

As if anyone doesn't know my choice would be.

BOTH examples I had owned were disappointments.

My original LS ran great and was reliable, however the paint and leather wore out at alarming rates. Appeals to Lexus were met with disbelief and unwillingness to back the product. After 4 years of ownership, this garage kept vehicle almost looked like it had been in the elements for 20 years with zero care.

The RX my wife had to have, barely lasted a year before the threat of legal action persuaded the car to go back under the lemon law. This is the only car in the last 20 years to leave me stranded on the side of the road (twice). Every time it went to the shop the end result was "issue not replicated". The last time it was in they replaced the ECU which seemed to resolve the issue, however it was too late.

Lexus may be perfect for some people (my dad in particular, loves his)however I would rather have something a bit more "less perfect" that at least I feel confident in.

This thread is definitely a safe heaven for the mer fanatics where they can crowd together for the warmth of camaraderie <LOL> for they are all wearing the Emperor's new clothes (hint: mer).

So Agent009 which of those two cars are Luxury sedans from the last 2 years, the RX or the LS which you owned for 4 years. Do you even read the question or did you simply see the word "hate" and get excited at the possibilities.....?

Chrysler 300

who considers the Chrysler 300 to be a luxury sedan? it has the size and the power, but it doesn't have the badge, and that rubbermaid interior doesn't cut it by a long shot.

@pushrod27: that's the joke...

i agree with rxh8 the brooklyn bentley aka the chrysler 300c. it only looks like a bentley until one pulls up next to you. any new acura how can good cars be so ugly?

I hate the Lincoln town car, just because of it's styling. It looks like it's half boat, half car. I never understood the proportions or the theme of that design. It has the steep rear window, like a cougar from the 80's, I always hated that look.

Strange question, I don't think I "hate" any luxury cars but one thing I am very critical of is Lexus for their lack of headroom. I am 6' 1", and the ONLY Lexus sedan I can sit in without my hair brushing the headliner is the LS. And even then, the headroom is quite limited.

Don't hate any of them.

All FWD "luxury" cars, including those that have the proportions of FWD cars (long front overhang) even it they are AWD. That includes older design Cadillacs like the DTS (and, unfortunately, the new XTS concept), all those new Buicks and Lincolns (based on FWD platforms), all Acuras, Lexus ES and HS (and coming CT), Saabs, Volvos, and even most Audis (A4+ have improved proportions lately, but are still FWD platforms).

So many bashing Lexus and Mercedes but the real eye sores are a lot of Lincoln cars and the confusing names they have.

VW Phaeton

http://www.volkswagen.de/vwcms/master_public/virtualmaster/de3/modelle/phaeton/gallerie/phg.html

Because I just don't like VW!

I was actually looking into a used one of these, just to go against the grain. They still command a hefty price on the open market though.

Perhaps, a "used" Phaeton is not as a slick deal as a brand new mer.

bargain shopping continues...

I must admit I love a good bargain, especially ones coming from mers.

The Lexus ES. Too me it's too identical to a camry in all aspects. It basically brings out the badgewhores.

The 7 Series is one of my most hated cars peridod..Even the new generation..Why would any sane person buy one over the A8 or S class? Even the LS is superior..

Appreantly the Spies hate the second generation Acura RL after it has not been completely cleaned of snow/ice. Especially those Canadian ones, they just burn you up huh?

I'd have to say Mercury and Lincoln. Lincoln just cannot seem to get their feet off the ground despite two generations of new model lineups, nomenclature changes, etc.

And even though Ford is doing really well. Mercury has no image, they are regrilled Fords. There is no distinction that makes them stand out. At least with say an Infiniti and a Nissan you can see the differences. Ford/Mercury? Save the cash and get a loaded Ford.

Do they still make the Lincoln Town car?

You know what I think they do. I know the Crown Vic, Grand Marquise, and Town Car were all still in production. According to my September 2009 Motor Trend with the 2010-2011 New Cars issue. The Town Car at least is going on production for this year, and maybe the next. Ford at the moment apparently has no plans to cancel or update the cars other than some updated features. BTW those models are the first in history to claim 5 star ratings in all 5 categories for safety for the last 7 years.

This is soo hard...I hate the Acura TL and The Lexus ES 350 and The BMW any Series. But at least the Japs are reliable so I hate the BMW any series more! lol Deboost away I don't care I was burned by the Germans.

Acuras - Just Awful. Lincolns - Overpriced, Except MKS. Lexus, pretty much all except IS and GS. Caddy STS and DTS. MB RWagon, any station wagon in general. Thats about all for now.

The Acura RL, more expensive than the TL, less power output than the TL, same interior size as an Accord, but the most expensive....Makes no sense.

AND DONT FORGET ITS FWD...(NOT LUXURY LIKE)

Cadillac DTS, Acura RL, NEW Acura TL, Bentley Mulsanne-Love everything but that FACE...wrecks the whole car for me, Maybach.

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Acura RL, Acura TL, Lexus GS, BMW 5-series (E60). There's more but these are the ones that I dislike the most.

Oh, Why?

Acura RL = Read DeeDogg's comments.
Acura TL = Gow Awful Looks. Average performance.
Lexus GS = Awful mis-proportioned bubble design.
E60 5 series = BMW's worst design (inside and out) this side of an "M" coupe.

• Lexus ES (because it is the primary poster boy for "look, its a toyota with a Lexus badge).
• Anything (new) Buick (going for a 'younger' audience with their 'new' designs somehow translates to really bad grills and a 4 banger in their 'new' sport-sedan...and they're ugly) (Lincoln is just about as bad)
• Benz R350- Eyesore(hey, but the Benz dealers now have lots of loaners)
• Audi RS5 - okay, I only hate you because I can't have you ;-)

Don't worry Janizary, you'll get your RS5. It will come.

New 2010 Mercedes E class. Only because of the design. How can a car of such category/price range looks so ugly. A 5 year old Hyundai Sonata looks better.

JUGNU

Rest assured, the next Lexus GS will be an E class clone and then you will be all over it...

I doubt very much they would copy the Merc since it does not exactly have glowing reviews.

I hate the Lincoln town car, just because of it's styling. It looks like it's half boat, half car. I never understood the proportions or the theme of that design. It has the steep rear window, like a cougar from the 80's, I always hated that look.

ACURA RL-horrible design, least power of all Acuras, did i say horrible design, front wheel drive, oh and horrible design, over priced
ACURA TL- horrible design from front and back & front wheel drive isnt a luxury quality
ACURA TSX- 4 cyl/ fwd=Luxury???? I dont think so
THE ALL NEW MERCEDES E CLASS- Looks like previous version of the Honda Accord

Lincolns
Caddies that were already listed
Lexus ES (which is really a camry)
Lexus GS
BMW E60 and E65/66 - I really like BMW but these were some of their most daunting cars to look at.

merc.


Everything about this organization is a scam, a propaganda machine, an opportunist for so-called innovation and reinvention when the organization itself doesn't even have a clear vision or mission about the direction of its organization, and last but not the least, its living-in-a-primitive-cave cult fanatics with an egocentric view of the automotive industry.

Whenever quality and reliability issues of this orga. is being questioned, taxi drivers, in particular, are the ones who are being used as their propaganda mascot and as the so-called evidence and proof to demonstrate their quality and reliability as chosen by this particular occupation. They had done so 100 years ago, 75 years ago, 50 years ago, 35 years ago, 15 years, and still doing it these days. I'd been to Munich and Stuttgart several times every year and rode in different taxi cabs. Not one driver had ever mentioned the reliability and quality of this orga as the major factor of their occupational transportation. Simply put, some of them didn't have a choice, whether it's for economic reasons or others (such as they belonged in a fleet service that has contract with certain orga). Last but not the least is its die-hard fanatics, on this forum or elsewhere, who have such a distorted view of this rotten company. If you didn't agree with them, you are either assassinated or are the dumbest person in the world. Some members here reminded me so much of the forum members on Mbworld, benzsport, and other merc forums back in its very early days. If you said something negative about it (such as its fishline thin window regulator and flaky harmonic balancer), then you are dumb and hopeless because there will never be anything wrong about this orga and its products, period. For these reasons, this company may be perceived as one elegant luxury brand, but deep down it is rotten to the core -its organizational and membership cultures.

Now, flame suit on...

Are we to assume that you don't like Mercedes Benz then ?

You should take a trip to Inglostadt. You'll get some nirvana there.

I think Im with "blackbr". I dont really "hate" ANY luxury car. If you asked what luxury car wouldnt I buy with my hard earned $$$, I would have an answer for you. As a matter of fact, the list would be pretty long.

Please stop posting links about the long history and heritage of this organization. Everybody can recite it by memory. That's how thorough their propaganda campaign is.

Yea I have to agree with The lincoln towncar from 1997 - present!!! They could have at least redesigned the damn thing. And the Crown Vic. Boy I am glad they just stopped producing those things. At 14mpg, what was ever appealing about them??

No offense (well maybe a little)but I find these kind of articles to be extremely pointless. It reminds me of people who needs to put down others in order to make themselves feel better. Instead of bitching about cars, how about make constructive critism.

As we all know autospies or the people that go on autospies have a general favoritism toward a certain "brand" of cars and those who say otherwise gets called trolls for purely putting their own opinion out there. So why do we feel the need to make these unnecessary articles about what do we hate when I'm pretty sure we all know what the majority of people are going to say again.

Just saying....

Ah...BMWRU..Reality check! Most wealthy and affluent people drive Mercs over BMWs, so you might wana go easy on those long blogs and save yourself the embarrassement.

Yeah and Willis, what chu been smokin man? Dude, Lexus is going to trump the E-class with the next GS anything...Watch and see what I tell ya!

Reality check! Most wealthy and affluent people own a collection of expensive vehicles, not just mers. To them, mers is just a pocket change as well as a slick deal.

And even wealthy people are bargain hunters...

the phD sociologists who wrote "The Millionaire Next Door" reported that the MOST COMMONLY OWNED vehicle in that class, is the humble ford F-150. there are also fair numbers of otherwise 'ordinary' cars that 'enthusiasts' would turn their noses up at.

AND.... the majority of MBs, Audis, and esp bmws are owned by noveau riche types, showing off their wealth. AND, also middle/upper-middle class types NOT QUITE in the millionaire class yet. but pretending they are.

I have to defend the Lincoln Town Car, a little bit. It's not a modern design, but for what it is, it's not bad...styling-wise. I can't comment on the drive/performance (thankfully...?) but the styling is at least cohesive and age-appropriate. It's kind of an automotive interpretation of Art Deco. Nice.

Many of the other new Lincoln exterior designs are nice, too...they've done a nice job of balancing retro cues with modern updates. The interiors are mostly crap, agreed--but they're not completely ugly on the outside.

As far as which ones I hate...
1) Lexus RX. I know it's popular. But it's ugly.
2) Audi anything. I just don't get it. The weird lines, and the LED "eyebrows" are way too gimmicky. They were leading the pack, but I think they choked under the pressure.
3) Jaguar anything. Another whole line up that I just don't get. They have an incredible heritage, but their current designs are squandering it. Pick a style...any style, and stick with it.
4) Acura anything. I don't even know where to start. Terrible.
5) Infiniti FX. They're just weird looking.
6) BMW 7-series. Even the redesign. Damn you, Bangle. Serious.

http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1471309
Our company got several Es and Cs from a dealership with whom we have been doing business for several years. The price we got was even lower than what most people got in that thread, believe it or not - and for several model years now. The only think I feel about driving this crap is maybe - and maybe - I feel like I pretend to be a wealthy and affluent individual, which is the case for some mer drivers. And one thing I hate is being pretentious.

Nothing is more embarrassing than being on the headline of a bargain hunting forum in July 09 and named one of the worst depreciating automakers by CNN (it was a discussion I watched on CNN, so no source). In such a case, my rant of mer is miniscule compared to some of the pretentious drivers who drive a Camry-wanna-be vehicle - which is the real life tale of The Emperor's New Clothes.