Battle of Japanese Supercars: Lexus LFA vs Nissan GT-R

Battle of Japanese Supercars: Lexus LFA vs Nissan GT-R

The phone rings. It's Bill from down the street, with an offer he thinks we can't refuse. While he's normally our local fix for luxurious, relaxing trips (that sometimes cause drowsiness), today he proffers something vastly different: all the speed we can handle for 12 hours. The catch is this deal needs to go down in the next three days. Miss that window and his special shipment gets loaded into a crate and flown back to the Far East. Think about it he says, and get back to me.

What is there to consider?

Bill, you see, reps Lexus and is offering a 552-horsepower dose of nose-candy-colored LFA. We're intrigued, but also irked at the short notice and implication that we're easy and desperate for such a rush. Like we'd just drop everything and clear our schedule for a taste of this $375,000 LFA.

We call him back and arrange to meet the early the next morning at an industrial park off the freeway in Riverside, California.


They say the first hit is free, but this one is going to cost us a bit of our soul. Lexus USA owns but one LFA, a jet-black model used for advertising and potential customer events. This white one is on loan from Japan at substantial cost to the company -- air freight alone is some $40,000. Its time is up and it needs to go back ASAP, hence the last-minute notice.

It is also a preproduction prototype -- a crusher in industry parlance. It has no VIN or license plate, and sits on non-DOT-approved tires, so we can't drive it on the street. When we're done with it, it gets shipped back to Japan where it will likely be reduced to a fine, expensive powder. To ensure we don't facilitate an earlier end on this side of the Pacific, two watchful handlers will accompany us while we have it.

So, just how are we supposed to assess the LFA's street value with such draconian measures in place? We have a few tricks up our sleeve, but first we need verify its potency. Off to the speed shop.






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dlindlin - 5/10/2010 11:55:45 PM
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QUITE DIFFERENT APPROACH, ALL RUNNING UNDER 7:30. I BET THE FIRST OF THOSE THREE TO CATCH UP, W/ HP UNDER 560, IS

AUDI. IN 5 YEARS.


Joe_LimonJoe_Limon - 5/11/2010 1:22:22 AM
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Okies, lets compare motor trend numbers

0-60 in 3.8s for both the LFA and Z06
1/4 mile in 11.8s@123.7mph for the LFA and 11.5s@127.1mph for the Z06
60-0 in 94ft for the LFA and 100ft for the Z06
1.05g's for both the LFA and Z06

And these numbers are with non road legal tires on the LFA... sorry my head isn't spinning, I actually expected it to have more than 430hp.

This thing isn't a super car. It's almost on part with a z06, so it's only a very expensive sports car.


Joe_LimonJoe_Limon - 5/11/2010 1:23:19 AM
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almost on par*


dlindlin - 5/11/2010 1:56:37 AM
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We all know Joe's SUPERCAR definition is..... TOYOTA MR2.

I'd like to think Cayman. :)


uaw_laxuaw_lax - 5/11/2010 2:44:44 AM
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GT-r wins becuase much like the vette it is almost affordable.


bmwdrvrbmwdrvr - 5/11/2010 9:26:17 AM
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Ive never heard anyone refer to the Z06 as a supercar especially "the ZR1 is the top model." An overpriced truck with a cheap interior is wrong on many levels that prove other than being able to type you no little to nothing about cars lol. What a joke, Im no vette fan but lets be real a 7.0 liter 500hp sports car that still gets relatively gas mileage will run you as much as a boxster or cayman s with options will run with the 911 turbo and still docile enough to be driven as a daily driver any REAL CAR enthusiast can appreciate this car. Its interior certainly needs works but given its price point if you were expecting the Ferrari 599, or Murclielagos interior clearly you arent realistic


Joe_LimonJoe_Limon - 5/11/2010 9:56:55 AM
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"So why do they keep calling the ZO6 a supercar then?"

I for one don't consider the Z06 a supercar, and I'm a fan of the car.

"It's just an over priced truck with crappy seats and an econo interior!"

Lexus has an econo interior, the few "luxury" features it does have are options that cost as much as a small car to put in.


LexSucksLexSucks - 5/11/2010 10:41:14 AM
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"So why do they keep calling the ZO6 a supercar then? It's just an over priced truck with crappy seats and an econo interior!"

- Anyone who says something like this is a stupid idiot.




pennfootballpennfootball - 5/11/2010 11:51:00 AM
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When was the last time a truck had an aluminum frame with carbon fiber body panels and optional ceramic brakes Badgewhore yum yum? I mean last time I checked most trucks can't pull over 1g on the skidpad. The Corvette is not a painters dream machine anymore, sorry you need a real job to afford one and it spanks many cars that cost more especially your beloved M3's and base 911's.


pennfootballpennfootball - 5/11/2010 4:33:23 PM
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Mr. Master Bateman You fail to understand that I am comparing new prices yum yum....used is a matter of supply and demand, I see a lot of used M3's for 40 grand and no one wants them becasue they need a valve job every 30,000 miles that is thousands of dollars after that little 50k grace pre paid "service" period ends!


WorldofLuxuryWorldofLuxury - 5/11/2010 12:45:05 AM
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Me want LFA!


rom64rom64 - 5/11/2010 1:08:16 AM
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Of course the LFA won the 1/4 mile, no driver was weighting it down.

Sorry, I just had to... LOL!


LexusLexus - 5/11/2010 1:22:22 AM
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Both the Lexus LF-A and Nissan are master piece of automotive engineering. I be happy with either one of them. I would love to own the Lexus LF-A same as the one in the post = )


LexusLexus - 5/11/2010 1:43:59 AM
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Correction, Nissan GT-R


als723als723 - 5/11/2010 3:09:08 AM
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Having actually heard the car in person, the LF-A truly is a remarkable machine


kpaxxkpaxx - 5/11/2010 9:00:50 AM
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Yes the first criteria for purchasing a car is how it sounds this makes the car perform well!


bmwdrvrbmwdrvr - 5/11/2010 9:20:43 AM
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well sarcasm or not clearly in this class of car how the engine sounds is important...huh really?? lol people dont buy sports car based on how they sound where have you been


als723als723 - 5/11/2010 1:17:56 PM
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People buy a car because of the emotion it evokes in you. Ferrari, Lamborghini, and Porsche all have a distinct exhaust not on each car, and you can usually tell when one is about to whiz by. No exception here. The LF-A has an amazing sound that creates this spontaneous savagery that can only be explained when you hear one for yourself.


Joe_LimonJoe_Limon - 5/11/2010 7:07:26 PM
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lol with all the savageness of a honda cbr250. The tone is identical.


maikoazumaikoazu - 5/11/2010 4:18:41 AM
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The GT-R looks ugly and LF-A looks dated. Next


agent507agent507 - 5/12/2010 9:36:29 AM
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Yep. The ugly and the unwanted. You can choose which one is what.

I would take a BMW M5 over both in a heartbeat.


LexSucksLexSucks - 5/11/2010 10:35:10 AM
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Didn't I say that the LF-A wouldn't be able to outperform a Z06?


LexSucksLexSucks - 5/11/2010 1:27:36 PM
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"You could trick out a Civic or Acura to beat a Vette, what is your point? Can a Vette beat a Ferrari? Can a Vette beat a Lambo? Yes and Yes....now does that make it better, more desirable and deem the other 2 vastly overpriced? No."

-The Vette and the Lambo combined doesn't cost as much as the LF-A. LOL! And we're talking about factory cars, not modified civics. So that analogy doesn't apply at all dude. And they are Ferraris (458 and even the 430)and Lambos (lp-560) that can beat that vette. It's just that the lexus cant beat the vette, yet cost more than all of them. LOL! Why waste money on the more expensive, lower performing, less prestigious LF-A?

LF-A = Lexus Fails Again.


Joe_LimonJoe_Limon - 5/13/2010 11:00:01 AM
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If Lexus shouldn't have to beat a vette with their $370,000 not so super car, then what appeal does it have? It certainly isn't for its very expensive and lacking interior options.


LexSucksLexSucks - 5/11/2010 10:43:24 AM
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LF-A = Lexus Fails Again.


pennfootballpennfootball - 5/11/2010 11:51:59 AM
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If the Lexus BEATS the GTR that is a WIN not a Fail Yum yum.


LexSucksLexSucks - 5/11/2010 1:30:43 PM
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One car cost $80k while the other car cost $375,000. The $375,000 car didn't significantly out perform the $80k car. And that's what you call a "WIN"? Let see what happens when the LF-A picks on a car its own size like the Ferrari 599.


800over800over - 5/12/2010 9:37:23 AM
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What exactly significantly outperforms a GT-R? I mean it's all subjective. Can you really list anything that is that much better? (again subjective)


LexSucksLexSucks - 5/12/2010 12:29:32 PM
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All subjective? Lap-times, braking stopping distance, lateral Gs, 0-60, and 1/4 mile times are not subjective measures. How do you figure that those things are all subjective?

As for which car significantly outperform the GT-R. There are a few, one of them isn’t the LF-A. LOL.

Here are some of the cars that significantly outperform the GT-R on Top-Gear’s test track. These are not subjective measures. I used the criteria of being 1/2 a second faster per lap than the GT-R. If a vehicle is 1/2 second faster over a lap, then after 10 laps that vehicle would be 5 seconds ahead. That is a solid booty whipping. All of the cars listed are more than a 1/2 second a lap faster.

Here are the cars and lap times.

Ascari A10 1.17.3
Koenigsegg CCX (with Top Gear spoiler) 1.17.6
Noble M600 1.17.7
Pagani Zonda F Roadster 1.17.7
Caterham R500 1.17.9
Bugatti Veyron 1.18.3
Pagani Zonda F 1.18.4
Maserati MC12 1.18.9
Ferrari Enzo 1.19.0
Lamborghini LP670 SV 1.19.0
Nissan GT-R 1.19.7






800over800over - 5/13/2010 1:28:45 PM
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You moron, "significantly" is subjective. YOU decided that half a second a lap is "SIGNIFICANT"= subjective. I'm not saying it's not.....I am saying it's up to you!


pennfootballpennfootball - 5/11/2010 11:52:29 AM
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"It doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile A Win's a Win!"


LexSucksLexSucks - 5/11/2010 1:36:07 PM
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What next for the LF-A then? A win over a Cobalt SS? I mean the difference in price between the LF-A and the GT-R, you might as well been comparing the LF-A against a Cobalt SS. But a Win's a win? Right Vin? The LF-A can only beat cars that cost about 1/5 of it's price. What would happen if you put the LF-A against say a 599 or a Vette ZR1?


pennfootballpennfootball - 5/11/2010 4:31:09 PM
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Price no matter Lexus won....suck it up!


LexSucksLexSucks - 5/12/2010 12:18:46 PM
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Price no matter? LOL!! Bragging about the LF-A beating a GT-R is the same as an Adult Male bragging about how he beat up an Adolescent.


PerformanceGuyPerformanceGuy - 5/11/2010 1:13:48 PM
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The fact that these two cars pretty much ended the race neck and neck, proves my feelings of the LF-A being overpriced. I will take the GT-R any day.


FanboyOfTheTruthFanboyOfTheTruth - 5/11/2010 3:04:06 PM
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The same can be said for just about any other European supercar. Oh and go buy yourself a Mustang and save tens of thousands if your definition of "neck and neck" is in a drag race.


F1_DriverF1_Driver - 5/11/2010 5:22:32 PM
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LF-A costs more than 4 times a GT-R and is only .1 sec faster in the quarter mile? LF-A = epic fail!


Need4SpeedNeed4Speed - 5/11/2010 6:07:45 PM
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This whole GT-R vs "Entire World" thing is getting really tired. The GT-R's best feature is that fact that it excels at managing grip better than most cars out there..if not every car out there. It is not the holy grail of performance machinery...it does not have the fastest 0-60 times (stock), it does not have the highest top speed (stock), it does not have the fastest quarter mile (stock), it does not have the shortest stopping distance (stock), it doesn't have the best interior, it doesn't have the best sounding exhaust (stock), it's not the most exclusive car out there, it doesn't have the fastest 0-200 mph time (stock) and it certainly is not the best looking car out there....it simply has an excellent powertrain matched to a capable engine and powertrain. If you only use price, 0-60, and 1/4 mile times to base your buying decision...then that's you...others may take everything else I mentioned into consideration before spending THEIR money!...It kills me how many people want to pass judgement on those more financially capable than them or anyone else and feel its their right to dictate how they spend their money. I might add that exclusivity commands a very big premium...if your brining in millions of dollars and your not out to race every idiot at a stoplight in a GT-R...why not get an LF-A!...You have nothing to prove and most of the general public wouldn't know whose faster to 60 anyway. Nowadays even Hyundais are breaking sub 6 second 0-60 times...how much longer are you gonna hang onto those numbers when technology is making it very easy for just about any car manufacturer to produce some really fast cars. People...grow up and realize that the true factor in deciding to buy anything should be your own personal taste and not some frail insecurity that causes you to have something solely for bragging rights. Appreciate what you can while your still alive because when your dead you’ll have eternity to hate everything!


monstermonster - 5/11/2010 10:34:52 PM
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Calm down man. which side if the bed did you get up? Excellent comment though.


LexSucksLexSucks - 5/12/2010 3:06:33 PM
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Need for Speed,

In other words; Let a fool be a fool (even if they are rich) and don't question how rich people spend thier money.


freshseth83freshseth83 - 5/12/2010 3:53:37 PM
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Lexsucks- The LFA weighs 3263lbs. this car tested weighed 3570lbs. It is a prototype and is a 'trasher' car by Lexus' definition. This means it's not a production car and it already bested the GTR.

You cited Lap times for the top gear track. Try putting up the wet times. The LFA bested the WET track time held by the Gallardo by 3 seconds. With a 5 second handicap for the wet, one could say the lap time by the LFA would be around 1:17- as fast as the Noble and Koenigsegg. With much less HP. Proof that you don't need 1000HP to set blistering lap times. All you need is a capable chassis and superior dynamics, which the LFA has. If it bested the GTR than it'll best the cars the GTR has bested, which is needless to say, the 911 Turbo, the F430, the Gallardo, The Audi R8, the Z06, and the list goes on.


LexSucksLexSucks - 5/12/2010 4:33:55 PM
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Lexus wouldn't put a car out there that they didn't think was able to compete. And how do you know what the LF-A actually weighs? I’m willing to bet that it will weigh closer to the 3570lbs than 3263lbs. A vette weighs less than both those numbers. So much for Carbon fiber tubs and lightweight materials. LOL!! And don’t think for a second that a Production LF-A will perform any better. That’s just a dream, like the dream that LF-A fans had about the LF-A being the sports car benchmark. Keep dreaming. The LF-A’s preliminary performance numbers are out. And they aren’t really special (given the cars price).

And I doubt that there's a 5 second difference between wet and dry laps on the top gear track. Lewis Hamilton was able to match other F1 drivers dry time while doing a lap in pouring rain. I’d say 2.5 seconds is the most it will gain.

Also, The cars that you’ve mentioned (the 911 Turbo, the F430, the Gallardo, The Audi R8, the Z06,). They all cost about 1/2 of what the LF-A costs (some less than 1/3 of the LF-A’s cost) but are able to give the LF-A a run for its money (the Z06 is actaully faster in 0-60 and 1/4 mile times than the LF-A).

The only way that an LF-A can compete and win is against much cheaper competition. It takes a $375,000 lexus to be able to barely outperform a $80,000 GT-R. Pathetic.



Joe_LimonJoe_Limon - 5/13/2010 8:45:45 AM
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Hmmm don't think so...
GTR 1/4mile = 11.9s @ 118mph for $84,060
Z06 1/4mile = 11.5s @ 127mph for $67,599


LexSucksLexSucks - 5/13/2010 11:02:21 AM
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PatrickBateman,

How did talking about a car turn into this? Getting personal? LOL!!! I guess when you talk bad about a car that an insecure person loves, and that insecure person doesn't have a valid argument, they turn to personal attacks.

It’s just a car dude, not your girlfriend. People should be allowed to criticize cars without someone attacking them personally. It just seems like I’m dealing with children at times.

And me being able to afford the car or not, doesn’t take away the fact the LF-A is already an also-ran. Seems like you are having a rough time dealing with that, with your personal attacks and all. It isn’t a good look for you.

Can we stick to the subject of cars? Or would you rather turn this into a back-and-forth adolescent insult fest? Sure seems that way. Grow up dude!



LexSucksLexSucks - 5/13/2010 11:31:25 AM
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Badgewhore,

— Joe_Limon just OWNED you. LOL!!!!

Here's the exchange in which you dont have a reply.

".....and it takes a still truckish Vette that cost over 100K only to barely outdrag a cheap GT-R. WHen will GM ever learn?

— Badgewhore"

"Hmmm don't think so...
GTR 1/4mile = 11.9s @ 118mph for $84,060
Z06 1/4mile = 11.5s @ 127mph for $67,599

— Joe_Limon"


LOL!!!!!!!


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