Who Do You Believe? Feds Find Toyota Claims Of No ECU Issues Hard To Swallow

Congressional Democrats sharply questioned on Thursday efforts by Toyota Motor Corp to investigate vehicle electronics to see whether they are linked to unintended acceleration of its vehicles.

Henry Waxman, the chairman of the House of Representatives Energy and Commerce Committee, led an aggressive critique of Toyota and its engineering consultant, Exponent Inc, at a hearing centered on Toyota's professed belief that its software-driven throttle systems are sound.

Waxman and other lawmakers said that Exponent has not produced sufficient documents to congressional investigators to support Toyota's contention, and that submitted material does not fully answer basic questions.

"The results of our examination raise serious questions," Waxman said. "Toyota has repeatedly told the public it has conducted extensive testing for electronic defects. We can find no basis for these assertions."

Jim Lentz, Toyota's U.S. sales president, said in written testimony for the hearing that Exponent has completed more than 11,000 hours of testing and analysis of electronic throttles, and that separate tests also have found no problems.

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Joe_LimonJoe_Limon - 5/20/2010 1:35:48 PM
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it would be nice to actually see these documents...


91z4me91z4me - 5/20/2010 1:42:23 PM
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It would be even better having an outside expert in the field evaluate the data and documents.


800over800over - 5/20/2010 4:23:03 PM
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Yeah like that guy ABC hired who hotwired the Toyotas to fail....That kind of independent guy.


Joe_LimonJoe_Limon - 5/20/2010 5:31:10 PM
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I thought the only thing that guy was proving was that Toyota's don't have any warning alarms in place if their sensors go. So to look at the cars computer and say nope, nothing wrong happened here would basically be pointless since it can't sense it in the first place.


Joe_LimonJoe_Limon - 5/21/2010 12:35:24 PM
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"If things happened in a natural manner like rust or moisture got into the system, it will do so in a certain way sensors will detect and Toyotas vehicles will go into limp mode."

*cough cough* bullshit

He found that Toyota wasn't able to detect a throttle position sensor screwing up. This isn't an emissions sensor that is constantly monitoring the exhaust to put the vehicle into limp mode...


SteveSteve - 5/20/2010 2:02:16 PM
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Well, we all "know" that Toyota is guilty, so anything to the contrary is an obvious lie. Y'know, start with the conclusion and work backwards.

Does anyone here remember the Audi "sudden acceleration" debacle? It ran for years with all sorts of evidence pointing to Audi as making cars that suddenly took off, out of control, and couldn't be stopped. Audi kept saying "we don't make runaway cars," but they made revisions to "address the issue." In the end, a public inquiry concluded, just as Audi had been saying, that the cause was, and I quote, "pedal misapplication", which is a nice way of saying "driver error."

Let's all get back together on this when the dust settles, and the facts come out over the coming years. Shall we? :-)


LexSucksLexSucks - 5/20/2010 2:14:01 PM
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The Audi story is completely different from the Toyota Story.


mplsmpls - 5/20/2010 2:50:22 PM
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same..


mplsmpls - 5/20/2010 3:03:49 PM
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in a sense, but Toyota has extensive manufacturing capabilitiesd in USA, unlike Audi which were all imports.. It's also in USA's interests to sort it out.. bui then again since the government owns GM, it'll try and do everything possible to strike down Toyota..


KZ258KZ258 - 5/22/2010 7:19:25 PM
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didnt the stupid gov't just receive more money that thet gave to chrysler and GM combined all from toyota from that dumb fine? and they're still gonna "investigate" some more?? what bs


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