WTF? Obama Claims Bailout Foes Are Un-American And Plotting Against Him!

The only reason he was even in Chicago was so he could campaign on behalf of a Democratic senatorial candidate who was behind in the polls. The visit to the Ford factory just allowed him to bill the taxpayers for his expenses as opposed to the Democratic party, for whom he actually made the trip. It's just another example of the man's dishonesty.

Can you show me who was actaully billed for the expense (taxpayers or Democratic Party)? Is there a public record? Or are you just speculating?

Deboost for me but no actual proof of the first reply above? Shouldn't he get deboosted for posting something that he couldn’t back up?

Amazing… I guess being truthful doesn’t matter anymore. Just make crap up to justify dislike for the President. Some people here are pathetic.

Lexsuks - I think this is the first time i've agreed with your comments. Whether it's politics or cars, people will make stuff up to justify their biases.

Lex Sucks, you need to consider the fact that your great savior may actually be leading this country down a path which it may never return from. Whats going to happen when Ford is run out of business as a result of the unfair competition by government backed automakers, will they buy Ford too? It is unconstitutional for the Government to own stock in companies for this very reason. As far as proof, it is hard to prove anything Mr. Obama does because he covers his tracks better than any president in history. He must have a lot to hide. I can site this source though - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38573054/ns/business-autos/ But I suppoose that they don't have any proof either.

That article doesn't say anything about who actually got billed for the trip expense (Tax payers or Democratic Party). You said in your first post that the Taxpayers got billed. Again, where did you get that info from? It's obvious that you made that part up.

Now you are saying that Obama "covers his tracks better than any president in history". Not enough for you to make stuff up about him? I think you need to recant what you said about who got billed for the trip expense and move on. As far as proof is concerned? I’m not the one making false assertions, you are. So the burden of proof is on you.


"Whats going to happen when Ford is run out of business as a result of the unfair competition by government backed automakers, will they buy Ford too?"

Wow! That statement is beyond funny. I don’t see UPS or FED-EX being run out of business by the Post-Office (which is a GOV’t organization). Or better yet, how can someone as incompetent as Obama run GM so well, to the point that it will run Ford out of business? You see the flaw to your logic?

Are you agreeing with me? Sure seems like it.

Next time you hear our president speak count the number of times he says "I"...

And that means what?

It's all about politics and he's been behind in the polls. Frankly from
a political perspective it is what he needs to do to try to help his fellow Dems in November. But he is right in stating that there were many Republicans who felt GM and Chrysler should go under and let the chips fall where the be.In fact there are enough people on this site that hold that very opinion. In my opinion I feel that those people and Republican lawmakers where wrong. The idea that this country has no major manufactoring of it's own and essentially becomes like Great Britain depending totally on foreign investment makes me frightened. For I think a country like that becomes weak with no power whats so ever. Like it or not auto manufactoring is if not the largest then one of the largest type of manufactoring you can have in a country. It was clear that the big 3 had been doing many things wrong for many years.
However provided there is a new direction going on the big 3 need to be supported. I have other issues with Mr. O(such as the health care reform bill)but not the auto bailout. Oh and what politician do you know that does NOT end up billing the taxpayers. Mr. O is no different then any other politician.-Full Of Smoke and Mirrors!

UAW: checks is forehead.... not hot checks his pulse... blood still pumping. Then why and the hell am I agreeing with badgewhore? Because he is right for once!

Patrickbateman

Please understand that there are people from Outside of the USA on this forum and the War on Iraq was ILLEGAL even by UN Standards.

So please cut the BS.

"Fully Supported by the United Nations"

That has got to be the most moronic statement i've heard all year.

Sounds like something Bill O Riley or some other Fox News Cretin would say.

Where does he claim that bailout foes are plotting against him?

Has Autospies turned into Politicalspies?

If it's car related and interesting, it's news we will cover.

001

Agent001 - with all due respect, when the headline of this thread uses expressions like "Un-American" and "..Plotting against him" which at best are misrepresentations of the NY Times article, then clearly politics are at play.

Here is the quote from the article "he suggested that his adversaries were virtually un-American in standing against his policies."

001

Spoken like a true socialist!

Hey all, I've been viewing this forum for years but never taken the time to sign in. When I saw this post I had to put in my 2 cents. While I'm not typically one to criticize our leaders, I have to say I'm not very pleased with our President's policies. I really don't agree with any bailouts (even some started with Bush) and learned today that Obama is going to offer a bailout to homeowners who took on too much debt and can't pay it back now? How is that fair to those of us who are not given a government handout for being responsible and paying our mortgage. When will the bailouts end?

The bailout is not for the people, it's for the banks and institutions that hold the mortgages of those people. People who can't afford to pay their mortgage, can't afford to hire a lobbyist.

As for any President, you're only as good as the advisors you hire and trust. No one knows what it's going to take to get economy back on track. The only things you can count on is that it will never be like it was in the 80's and early 90's again, and no matter which side of the political debate you fall on, they all go to the same people for advice. The people that fucked the economy in the first place.

You are under the allusion that he is running the country, love him or hate him, he is just following orders, just like the rest of the presidents, although Bush was one of the puppeteers.

Hey everyone......I've been reading this website for a few years now, but I sort of preferred it when this website focused on just the cars, and stayed politically non-partisan.

I mean....what's the next political/automotive question? Does gay marriage affect American car sales? Oh wait...if we let 2 men get married, they might want to marry their car next !?!

On a side note, if any of you Autospies readers are from West Hollywood, let me know if you were the hunky guy who winked at me this afternoon at the La Cienega & Robertson stoplight, in your silver Porsche 911 Turbo S drop-top. You didn't have a t-shirt on, and you were sooo hott.....

I didn't think any one ever noticed me driving my Porsche, and the auto bail out is the political side of cars and still relevant on Autospies, although the description of me in my car is not car related, that belongs on another site.

I get what you're saying by keeping it politically non-partisan. Okay, now accept that someone coming onto a site and naming themselves "Gay Car Guy" is obviously looking for backlash for proclaiming his gayness...as if his sexual orientation had a damn thing to do with cars.

Please practice what you preach!

- Yours Truly,
HeteroMaleLexLover

@_Gay_car_guy

I appreciate you trying to get yours like any other person has a right to on this site, and congrats on the over-turning of Prop 8, but can we keep the discussion just on cars? Besides, if you wanted a ride in that 911 Turbo convert, you should have made it happen then.

The headline that 009 has used here is misleading and irresponsible. I have often heard others "disrespect" you, 001, and 00R and I have steered clear of that sort of thing. But if this is the sort of garbage that you will be propagating perhaps I shall have to review what I deem to be "disrespect" and call it what it is. You, sir, are out of line and have sunk to a level of journalism the likes of which can only be compared to a pig sty. Nasty, untrue, and manipulative. I for one was not fooled by your little trick because though I am not an American (and you can tell because I'm far more pro-American than a great number of you Americans around here actually are) I know Obama's style very well and he doesn't make those kinds of statements.

Americans being pro American? cant wait until that happens!

That is very typical of Agent009.
Agent009 is ant-American.

dude if you counted all of the UAW votes it would not be enough to elect anybody so stop with your blatant stupidity

Obama is the man,farmore so than his detractors, he is preserving the country. Let's keep this to cars, before I'm forced to move on.

Words/situation taken out of context, misleading headlines....where have we seen this before...hmmm let me think.

Interesting...the quote in the article was this when we picked up the story

"New York Times: Visiting his third auto plant in the last week, Mr. Obama painted his efforts to save the industry as an act of patriotism, and the opposition to them as a fundamental expression of pessimism in the country. Even more than he did during a swing through Michigan last week, he suggested that his adversaries were virtually un-American in standing against his policies."

NOW, the same article has been changed on the NY times site and the quote NOW reads

"Visiting his third auto plant in the last week, Mr. Obama portrayed his efforts to save the industry as an act of patriotism, and the opposition to them as a fundamental expression of pessimism in the country. Even more than he did during a swing through Michigan last week, he suggested that his adversaries lacked confidence in the resilience of American workers and the American economy.?

Seems, they changed it after publishing the first version...

001

OMG! AM I AGREEING WITH THIS GUY AGAIN?!















x10

"I the president" vs "We the people". My money is on the latter and so is yours. If the former wins the only change you have will be what is left in your pocket.

this is funny....better him then our last air-head president....FACT

November cannot come soon enough...maybe we can then get some real change and put an end to this downward spiral that started under the latter Bush years and has been extremely accelerated with Obama's policies.

You want to vote back in the retarts that put us in this postion in the first place? The "Tax cuts for the rich", "No regulations for corporations" republicans are much worse than what we have now. Obama though not perfect, is a far better solution than anything from the Right. I've yet to hear a single idea on how the right proposes to fix this situation.

Who said I hated Bush? And you are right, Bush didn't take a few months to "stratergize" a plan, instead he rushed and attacked the wrong country(Iraq).

Both parties are Horrible, the Right more so. I'll stick with the Harvard Professor. The Right can stick with Palin.

Here is my source http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38573054/ns/business-autos/
In your mouth Lexsucks

That article doesn't say anything about who actually got billed for the trip expense (Tax payers or Democratic party). You said in your first post that the Taxpayers got billed. Again, where did you get that info from? It's obvious that you made that part up.

So it's Fail again for you kornholio.

I guess you are too busy judging people who you don't agree with you to even read the article or you would have found this little tidbit at the end"Pairing an official event such as the Ford plant visit with political appearances allows the White House to bill taxpayers rather than the Democratic Party or individual candidates for most of the president's travel costs."
I win one to Nothing

"Pairing an official event such as the Ford plant visit with political appearances allows the White House to bill taxpayers rather than the Democratic Party or individual candidates for most of the president's travel costs."

- Speculation is speculation. Doesn't matter where it comes from. You don't know who was actually billed. But since its Obama, it has to be the least favorable one? Right.

Why do you keep bringing up his race?

Wheather you want to or not, all you are doing by mentioning his race (time and time again) is letting everyone know the real problem that you have with him. I'm done.

"It's obvious that you made that part up. "
"Speculation is speculation. Doesn't matter where it comes from. You don't know who was actually billed. But since its Obama, it has to be the least favorable one? Right."

I'm beginning to believe that LexSucks IS Barack Obama because the double talk coming from him is unreal.

"Lexsucks", show some class and give "Kornholio" his props. He backed up his argument and clearly won the debate. Be gracious in your defeat. Put your blind partisanship aside as have the millions of independent voters that voted for Obama and have since come to regret their decision for reasons that are clear to all but the most biased and intellectually dishonest people. Or, keep drinking the Kool-Aid and refuse to believe anything negative concerning Obama.

Speaking of kool-aid drinkers, "uaw-lax", I suggest you change your screen name if you want to be taken seriously. The UAW ceased to be a positive force decades ago. The careless greed and parasitic behavior of your organization has caused untold damage to the American automotive industry, as well as the political and fiscal health of this nation.

"Put your blind partisanship aside as have the millions of independent voters that voted for Obama and have since come to regret their decision for reasons that are clear to all but the most biased and intellectually dishonest people. "

- So now you’re speaking for the "millions of independent voters"? Which clearly you are not. The only regret we have (yes we, I am an independent voter) is with the Government as a whole. Voting in a Republican isn’t going to make anything better. This Independent voter thinks that voting the Republicans back in will make it worse. There's a reason why they were voted out in the first place. It was because of the crappy job that they were doing.


"Or, keep drinking the Kool-Aid and refuse to believe anything negative concerning Obama."

- I’ve said plenty of times that I’m not 100% happy with the Obama administration. There are indeed things that are negative about this administration. But there are far more negatives on the other side. Do you believe that there is anything positive concerning Obama? I’m able to see the good with the bad, can you? You are being "intellectually dishonest" if you believe that Obama hasn’t done some good things. Funny how people call Obama Supporters as being a blind partisan, while at the same time they are doing the exact same thing. Hypocritical much?

As far as kornholio? Still speculation.

" So now you’re speaking for the "millions of independent voters"? Which clearly you are not. The only regret we have (yes we, I am an independent voter) is with the Government as a whole."

Lexsucks, clearly it is you who claims to speak for independent voters. Even worse, you're not doing a very accurate job of it. Obama could not have won the election without the votes of the independent majority. Now, the overwhelming majority of independents reject Obama and his policies. And this isn't me putting words in the mouth of independents. Here's the poll:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/poll-obama-turns-off-independent-voters-98031934.html

Let's be clear. The issue here is your instinctive impulse to reject any negative facts regarding Obama, such as the issue presented in this Autospies post. I would gladly commend Obama for any positive achievements. Unfortunately, as more and more truly independent voters are realizing, the negatives (out of control spending, corrupt party, shameless racial politics, broken promises, extraordinary waste, anti-business policies, lack of responsibility, lack of honesty, lack of transparency, etc.) have, up to this point, far outweighed any positives (improved golf game?) LexSucks, perhaps you should consider taking a vacation to clear your mind, to gain a fresh perspectve. It seems to be Obama's strategy.

"Obama Claims Bailout Foes Are Un-American And Plotting Against Him"


That's a hysterically wrong interpretation of the NYT article.

Agent009 just achieved a new low again, posting articles that are Anti-Obama,Anti-American as usual.
I think you need to find a new shtick- you are so predictable.

comment bait headlines. rhetorical questions seeking rhetorical answers. thanks for the interesting read.