Hybrid Hype? Study Indicates Only ONE of All Hybrid Models On The Market Is Actually Cost Effective

Hybrid Hype? Study Indicates Only ONE of All Hybrid Models On The Market Is Actually Cost Effective
Twelve years after Honda introduced the first gas-electric hybrid vehicle into the mass North American market, car buyers have yet to see the kinds of price reductions that were predicted to occur as hybrids gained popularity and market share. Even with technological advancements, and increased sales and model selection, consumers continue to pay a premium to purchase a hybrid. And, with the introduction of the HST and the corresponding elimination of the provincial sales tax rebate on hybrid vehicles, most hybrid models continue to cost more to own and operate than their conventional gas-powered counterparts.

According to British Columbia Automobile Association's (BCAA) annual Hybrid Cost and Savings analysis conducted in July, several models come close to their conventional cousins when costs are compared over five years, but only one – the $105,000 Mercedes S400 Hybrid sedan-is less expensive to own and operate compared to its conventional equivalent.

BCAA's study placed 16 hybrid models available in B.C. and their conventional equivalents side-by-side and compared the purchase, financing and fuel costs over a five year period. The analysis assumes a constant gas price of $1.17 per litre and a driving distance of 20,000 kms a year. The main differences between the 2010 and 2009 cost studies are the elimination of the provincial sales tax rebate and the provincial luxury vehicle tax, and the price of gas, which last year was $1.04 per litre. New models this year are the Lexus HS 250h and Mercedes-Benz S400.
BCAA's Hybrid Cost Analysis revealed the following:

* The $105,000 Mercedes S400 Hybrid sedan is the only model less expensive to own and operate compared to its corresponding conventional model. The S400 is approximately $5,000 less to own and operate than the closest conventional model, the Mercedes S450.
* The hybrids that come closest in cost to their conventional counterparts in purchase and operating costs are all the Toyota models (Prius, Camry and Highlander Hybrid), all the Honda models (Insight and Civic Hybrid) and the Lexus HS250h.
* Over a five year period, the hybrids that are the least costly to own and operate are the Honda Insight ($38,326), Toyota Prius ($40,324), and Honda Civic Hybrid ($42,664).
* Hybrids with the greatest greenhouse gas (GHG) emission advantage over their gas-powered equivalents are:

Toyota Prius (55% fewer GHG emissions)
Ford Fusion Hybrid (38% fewer GHG emissions)
Honda Civic Hybrid (37% fewer GHG emissions)
* The hybrids with the lowest overall GHG emissions (kg of carbon per year) are:
Toyota Prius (1748 kg/yr)
Honda Civic Hybrid (2070 kg/yr)
Honda Insight (2162 kg/yr)
Ford Fusion Hybrid (2352 kg/yr)

"With the elimination first of the federal tax incentive and now the provincial tax rebate, it appears it's still going to be a while before hybrids offer a cost advantage over standard vehicles," says Trace Acres, BCAA's director of corporate communications and government relations. "What we are seeing however, is manufacturers starting to offer price breaks for things like cash sales, so an environmentally conscious consumer may still be able to make a hybrid purchase work financially by shopping around."

When considering a switch to a more environmentally-friendly vehicle, Acres encourages drivers to examine emission ratings as well as sticker prices to ensure the hybrid they choose will provide them with the environment savings they expect.

"BCAA's research shows that cost is not typically the main motivator for someone looking to purchase a hybrid," explains Acres. "We believe that many consumers are willing to pay a bit more to go 'hybrid' if it will reduce their carbon footprint."






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LexSucksLexSucks - 8/10/2010 1:38:53 PM
-3 Boost
It's all Obama's Fault!!


Agent009Agent009 - 8/10/2010 1:57:12 PM
+1 Boost
LOL - More like a failure to advance the technology.


LexSucksLexSucks - 8/10/2010 3:17:52 PM
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Yep. Not only is Obama supposed to be the president, he's also supposed to advance scientific technology and provide direction to scientists years before he's even taken office. LOL!!

009, as much as you would like to, you cannot blame everything on Obama. It isn't a good look.


Agent009Agent009 - 8/11/2010 10:16:25 AM
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Obama can't be held to the limitations of a short sighted technology. He isn't at fault here.


LexSucksLexSucks - 8/11/2010 10:33:12 AM
+2 Boost
I mis-read your first reply. Sorry.


drell1emcdrell1emc - 8/10/2010 2:22:27 PM
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I waiting for INFINITI version of the hybrid, They are late to the game but if they can get 60 to 100% improvement in MPG,it's a good start. I just wish they had combined it with their 3.0l diesel. But EUROs like everything diesel, I hoping MB BMW and AUDI force their hand on the diesel-hybrid


JRobUSCJRobUSC - 8/10/2010 3:07:17 PM
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the S400h? Seriously? That's the worst hybrid on the market -- the fuel economy is virtually identical to the non-hybrid (and much better performing) gasoline powered BMW 740i and Audi A8. The only reason the S400h is "the most economical hybrid compared to the gas-only version" is because they S-class they used as "the closest comparable gas-only model" was the more expensive, more powerful, better performing, V8-powered S450 instead of the gas V6-powered S350 (which either Benz no longer makes or they don't sell in whatever market this article came from), and the hybrids that are really ARE ecomomical don't HAVE a gas-only version (see: Toyota Prius). Literally the ONLY reason to get an S400h is so you can pat yourself on the back for buying a hybrid. If you want to see how the S400h really stacks up, compare it to the diesels from Benz and their competitors. The S350 diesel (which again, they don't sell here) gets better fuel economy than the S400 hybrid, and if you really want the best of both worlds, the BMW 740d (another car we don't get) absolutely crushes both S-class models in both performance and fuel economy.

I'm not railing against hybrids here, as there are some good ones out there. But the car they chose is a poor example, it's simply not especially good at anything. Doesn't perform great, doesn't great fuel economy -- it's only impressive if you're not comparing it to anything, you know, "comparable".


thetruth01thetruth01 - 8/10/2010 4:14:20 PM
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And another instance of me agreeing with someone today with whom i usually argue. i certainly don't support diesels over hybrids, but the point is true. the S400 is being compared against higher end models. This is imply a new way of marketing your hybrid, make it the economy version of your range. problem is that it isnt even the most economical one in the range. the study is of course flawed, because it doesn't compare the S400 to lower end models (diesel or gas).

The Prius will always win because it really is a no-compromise car. It doesnt have a longer payback vs its comparable gas-only counterpart because (as you have pointed out) there is no gas-only Prius. But it is one of Toyota's mid-sized offerings, so it is way cheaper than the comparable Avalon. Or the V6 Camry. And it gets better gas mileage. And it has a better resale value. Or it is at a huge disadvantage because the most expensive tricked out Prius is some $10-15,000 more than a stripper I-4 Camry. See how ridiculous this is.

One must evaluate the usefulness of hybrids for all that they do or do not offer, and compare them to what is comparable for other vehicles with the same feature/price ratio. And one cannot just choose random comparisons. Haha, a San Francisco paper (of all places) stated that the Prius had horrible payback because they compared it to.....wait for it...... yes.... a Yaris. Yaris. Really.

This article is a total fail.




WillisWillis - 8/10/2010 7:12:53 PM
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I don't think anyone buying an S400 Hybrid is looking for "performance". Most S550 owners don't even hammer their cars. These cars are bought as status symbols and most owners, not all, but most drive them in a relaxed and dignified manor.

And the EPA fuel economy rating of the S400 Hybrid are underrated. Go to Benzworld where owners are easily reporting much high mileage figures, which of course vary according to driving style.

Furthermore, the S400 Hybrid isn't even a real hybrid. It's a MILD HYBRID. It's basically a V6 S350 that has help from an electric motor from 0-50 kph which are the typical city speeds and which use up the most gas. This car can't even be driven on electric power alone. The electric motor simply brings the car up to speed (50 kph). That's it.


JRobUSCJRobUSC - 8/10/2010 8:14:50 PM
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Willis, when an S400 hybrid does 0-60 in 7.2 seconds and gets 19/25mpg and a BMW 740i or Audi A8 do 0-60 in 5.1 seconds and get 17/25 or 17/27 for less money, it renders everything else you just said moot. "S-class drivers are buying status. S-Class buyers don't hammer their cars. It's only a mild hybrid." Those are excuses. The S400h SHOULD get better fuel economy. It SHOULD be quicker. It just isn't. Food for thought -- do you know what the 2011 7-Series hybrid is rated at? To refresh your memory that's a 455-hp twin turbo V8 MILD hybrid that does 0-60 in just over 4 seconds. It is rated at 17/26. 17/26, and the S400h gets 19/25? Are you kidding me?!? Here, I'll even throw you a bone, let's ignore the hybrid BMW since, well, it's just not fair to the Benz and I want you to have a fighting chance. The NON-HYBRID 740i and A8 are already neck and neck with the S400h in fuel economy (the A8 actually betters the S400h's highway fuel economy and ties it overall) and run rings around it. And those are the NON-HYBRIDS.

Listen, I'm not harping on hybrids. And I like Benz's. But the facts are the facts, and the numbers don't lie. That's simply unacceptable for a hybrid S-class, mild or otherwise. All you've done is confirm what I said -- that the only reason to buy an S400h is because you will only buy Benz's (and thus wouldn't consider other brands) and want to pat yourself on the back for buying a hybrid (even though you could get the same fuel economy and better performance with other brands, including a hybrid). So yes, you can get an S400 hybrid. If all you care about is being able to go to a party and tell people condescendingly "my Mercedes S-class is a hybrid" then great, it's the perfect car for those people. You admitted it's an image thing, and I'm agreeing with you. That's ALL it is. Personally I would take ANY other car in the class over that car. Literally, and that includes EVERY OTHER model of S-class, 7-Series, A8, etc. I'd take the diesels, the regular gas models, the hybrids, whatever. Every single one makes more sense than the S400h if you have any goal OTHER than being able to demonstrate that you're just as snooty as a Prius owner, you're just too rich to drive a Prius. Because they ALL have image. The others just have more going for them than image alone.


WillisWillis - 8/11/2010 4:53:25 AM
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Like I said, owners of these cars on various MB forums are reporting much higher gas mileage figures. It seems that the EPA always screws up with MB gas mileage claims. I'm saying this based on experience. In fact I don't even listen to the EPA anymore. There are so many cars out there whose gas mileage figures are better than what the EPA claims they WILL get.

Also, since when are 7.2 seconds to 60 mph slow? The electric motor in the S400h isn't geared towards performance or quick acceleration. It's there to simply bring the car up to 50 kph from where the gasoline V6 will take over. The performance most people will really require from any car these days is midrange acceleration. And we know that an S400 Hybrid won't be slow in that regard either. 0-60 is completely irrelevant in daily driving. No S400 Hybrid owner will clock themselves from 0-60 hoping to obtain the best times. No S400 Hybrid owner will race at the lights. And no S400 Hybrid owner will care about a 7.2 0-60 time. If they did care, then rest assured they wouldn't be driving an S400 Hybrid.


JRobUSCJRobUSC - 8/11/2010 9:40:04 AM
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Willis, you're missing the point -- if the S400h was sacrificing a little bit of performance to maximize fuel economy, that would be one thing. I could understand and accept 0-60 in 7.2s compared to the 5.1s (and faster) of the other cars if the S400h got some incredible fuel economy figure the others can't touch. But it doesn't. It gets the same fuel economy as the other cars, AND it's slower. It should be better at something, anything, JUST ONE THING than the other cars in the class, hybrid or non-hybrid. But it's not. It's too much of a compromise at everything to be good at any one thing. And frankly even the most diehard fanboy has to admit that something is wrong when your V6 mild hybrid gets the same fuel economy as your direct competitors twin turbo V8 mild hybrid. I mean, that's just not right.


WillisWillis - 8/11/2010 1:06:04 PM
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The S400 is a MILD HYBRID. Essentially it's an S350 that gets help from 0-50 kph from an electric motor. Perhaps if it was a dedicated hybrid the mileage would be better.

STILL, owners are achieving much better mileage than what the EPA claims. Check out various MB forums and verify this claim. It's true.


SteedPubSteedPub - 8/10/2010 3:33:17 PM
+3 Boost
For me, at the end of the day it is still hard to beat a VW Jetta TDI or the Golf TDI when it comes down to the math, efficiency, or longevity.


Agent009Agent009 - 8/10/2010 4:08:47 PM
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TDI is the future


LexSucksLexSucks - 8/10/2010 4:09:46 PM
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"TDI is the future"

- No. Obama is the future.




thetruth01thetruth01 - 8/10/2010 4:15:20 PM
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TDI is (part of) the present. It is still 100% reliant on oil, so is definitely not the future. Surely you jest.


uaw_laxuaw_lax - 8/10/2010 8:49:02 PM
+1 Boost
TDI is known to cause cancer.


Joe_LimonJoe_Limon - 8/10/2010 9:11:59 PM
+2 Boost
so do cell phones, meat and sunshine.


LexusKindaGuy12LexusKindaGuy12 - 8/10/2010 4:11:10 PM
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WHO put the idea in peoples' heads that buying a hybrid meant saving money? WHO? Completely the wrong reason to buy a hybrid. I think its self explanatory what other reasons there are so I wont list them. With this type of mentality (hybrid for saving money), I hope you all enjoy your global warming


MorePowerMorePower - 8/10/2010 5:17:43 PM
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Toyota put this idea in people's head with their marketing campaigns and press tours, a lot of "journalists" have as much integrity and common-sense as a four year old.

As for the article, the Prius has a "normal" powertrain equivalent? If it doesn't, it should have been excluded from the study.


toyfantoyfan - 8/10/2010 6:02:11 PM
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Not all hybrids have a premium!!!
A Prius is a midsized sedan that performs like an average 4 banger and gets 50mpgs, priced like an avergae 4 banger that gets 30mpgs or less!
Where is the premium???



Joe_LimonJoe_Limon - 8/10/2010 7:37:29 PM
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What 134hp 4 bangers start at $22,800?

Lets see... the prius's midsize 4 banger competitors...

Kia Optima, 175hp $17,995 (+41hp -$4,805)
Nissan Versa, 107hp $9,990 (-27hp -$12,810)
Ford Fusion, 175hp $19,695 (+41hp -$3,105)
Toyota Camry, 169hp $19,595 (+35hp -$3,205)
Chevrolet Malibu, 169hp $21,975 (+35hp -$825)
Subaru Legacy, 170hp $19,995 (+36hp -2,805)<- and this one has an awd platform on top of being a more powerful and cheaper then the prius.


MorePowerMorePower - 8/10/2010 7:19:31 PM
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While the EPA may classify the Prius as a mid-sized sedan, in reality, most people would consider it a compact. It is only because of it's interior volume(high roof and area behind the seats) that is barely squeaks into the mid-size category.

The Prius' performance is no-where near the average four-banger in performance. It's about the size of a small sedan in size and the performance of a sub-compact with the price the four-banger equipped mid-sized or large sedan.



toyfantoyfan - 8/11/2010 11:27:44 AM
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Have you heard of something called torque? Well it's got plenty of it!!!
And if you've ever driven a Prius, it drives like those other mid-sized sedans. Believe it or not but I'm sure you're not going to rush out and drive one. So how can you say it doesn't?



I95SPEEDINGTICKETSI95SPEEDINGTICKETS - 8/12/2010 8:34:32 PM
+1 Boost
I have driven the Prius.

If you have driven a diesel engined Vehicle you would know the prius has no torque compared to the 4cyl diesels.


I95SPEEDINGTICKETSI95SPEEDINGTICKETS - 8/12/2010 8:45:26 PM
+1 Boost
VW Golf/Jetta 2.0 TDI

170hp 350nm (258ft-lb)

Can carry 5 Adults in relative comfort for a few hours and drives fantastically and cruises happily at over 100mph.

And Prius has no chance against the prius in the Highway or combined Mileage stats.


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