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Can never be as safe or as composed as a Veyron at those speeds and would never hit 0-60 in less than 2-and-a-1/2 seconds like the Veyron even if you give it 9797439 Horsepower!

orly?

do you realize biased you sound? Did you know the original ssc is 82inches wide? That's slightly wider then a Hummer H2. Why did they make it so wide if such a width will increase drag and lower top end speed? To ensure high end stability. The original ssc was also designed to be stable at high speeds but they didn't use raw vehicle weight to help damp its movement.

So this picture has 1350hp and can do an unclaimed 275mph? Sounds like the occasional gixxer rider that claims his bike has 200hp from a slip on and can do 200mph and just shows a picture of the bike. Neither can back it up.

Any Shelby, Any time:)

Joe_Limon : You are 100% right. veyron1001 : I do not judge till I see. Did you see it on the test track?.....This looks as winner for me and it have more hight tech than the old Aerotech, whichw was able to set a record in close circuit of 257 mph back in the 90s..

Mr. Limon, a Veyron is a high tech piece of engineering made by one of the larger companies compared to Shelby - Porsche, Lambo, Bentley, Bugatti, Audi - They are all under the same umbrella. Would you please tell me if Shelby spends more money in safety research (actually any R&D) than a small company which people outside North America have barely heard about. Things like the spoiler which acts as an air brake (I thought planes have air-brakes) and a superflat underbody contribute to more stability. If I make anything wider than a Hummer, will it automatically have great stability at high speed?

The alternative argument can be made as well. It takes a lot more time to develop product in larger companies so the overall amount of quality engineering that went into a project will be less. Fewer design iterations can be made and the overall mass of the engineering team can actually be a hindrance. If you want a truly innovative company do not look for a big mega corporation, look to the 3-5 man engineering teams starting up enterprises.

Your assumptions over engineering based on company size are baseless and it shows that you are a bade whore to the highest degree.

But what do I know I'm probably supporting a company who put together a car that looks cool out of the cheapest quality components, because that's all they could engineer. </sarcasm>

Oyeh you are right, Bugatti is a bulk producer and has so many model lines to choose from that I can't even count. The cars are all made in bulk on production lines and nothing is hand made by some of the most talented engineers. Shelby definitely has better R&D than Bugatti cuz Shelby is a century old but Bugatti is just a start-up a few years old, they have no experience and cannot dream being innovative :-)
Have a nice day!

You just used your own argument against yourself.

"Veyron is a high tech piece of engineering made by one of the larger companies"

I never once commented on engineering for the masses so why would you introduce sarcastic comment about being a large company that goes against your earlier point?

I for one would never want a car that is hand made by engineers. There are skilled trades people that make things for a living to do that job. I hope for Buggatti's sake that they aren't making engineers build the cars.

And you don't understand my comment about being innovative. I wasn't saying that large companies don't or can't innovate. I was saying that due to their large size it takes them far longer to innovate. So where a team of 100 engineers in a larger company could analyze a problem to nth degree, a smaller team in the same time would be able to efficiently iterate their design around that and a few other problems.

BTW thanks for calling me names, are you the Joe Limon everyone LOVES *sarcasm*
(P.S. Personal retorts are a loser's final resort but why do you want to fight a losing argument?)

what exactly did I call you?

ahh, badgewhore I see it now. Can you think of another name for one who bases their opinions over a cars "engineering" and technical merit based only on the badge they wear that they would be willing to foo foo the options of smaller companies as being under developed, as anything else?

Aaah you guys need to stop spamming this thread!!

Sorry about the Spam techgeek
Joe-You are calling me a brandwhore which is not exactly true as on another thread of R8 vs Gallardo LP560, you were acting like a brandwhore so look who speaks. Were I a brandwhore, I would have picked the Lamborghini instead of the Audi isn't it?

can you explain the difference between the two? They seem identical.

And no, I believe your choice of the R8 over the Gallardo is still a brand whore option. You've stated that the R8 is the more comfortable and practical car while agreeing that mechanically they are the same car and that the Gallardo is plusher. Money taken out of the question, I still have no idea why you would prefer the R8.

and I definitely feel lambo racers sarcasmic comment about Bugatti over there wonderful!!

The R8 over the Gallardo cannot be a brandwhore option cuz even a homeless person knows in terms of brands Lamborghini>Audi - simple analysis. Mechanically an M5 is an M6 with 2 less doors - Which one is more comfortable? I found an Audi R8 more comfy than the Gallardo - to each his own.
Also, one just cannot take money out of the equation as EVERYTHING COSTS MONEY.
If it weren't for money, everyone would be driving around an LP560 as the interiors are very PLUSH isn't it?
Have a Good Night!

:) if you can't take money out of the equation, then I turn your own original argument back on you. The ssc does not cost 1.5 million dollars :)

So let me see if I have your argument correct now.

You believe the Veyron is a more capable more stable high speed cruiser... because Buggatti has the engineering force of VW at it's back to design everything. You have an engineering degree, yet think it's stable at high speeds not due to weighing 2 tons and damping, but due to having a flat floor panel and the associated "engineering" that only a large company can do. They designed a car that costs over twice as much as the ssc at $1.5 million, how much of this do you think is overhead from having a larger less effective engineering team? And how can you not call yourself a brand whore?

Here are some other interesting facts in where the Veyron engineering team fell short.

The coefficient of friction of the Veyron in the least drag configuration is still 0.36 with a frontal area of 22.3ft^2. Or a CdA of 8.03ft^2

The SSC even being wider then a hummer has a slightly less drag coefficient at 0.357 and a frontal area of 19.0ft^2. Or a CdA of 6.78ft^2

Meaning it has 16% less drag force.

Furthermore, the air braking wing on the veyron isn't that amazing. The SSC also has an air braking wing with 8" of articulation.

So if the Buggatti engineering team that managed to create a car that is 30% heavier with 16% more drag and 22% less power and half the interior features for twice the price. I'm failing to see where Buggatti's so called superior engineering effort paid off. Was it in using a few Bentley engineers to design their heavy featureless interior? lol!