Toyota Issues TSB To Repair Incorrectly "Fixed" Gas Pedal Assemblies On Recalled Vehicles

Toyota Quality!

Actually in all of the hoopla about how simple the fix was, it was interesting to see they had to follow up with a TSB to readdress them. So far about 500 cases have been reported. We typically don't report a TSB but this one was interesting.

lmao, so you can't even trust Toyota's fixed vehicles.

There are quite a few incidents even after the proper fix.What if its an Electronic problem and not driver error.

Actually, there are an extremely *small* number of incidents compared to the total number of Toyota vehicles on the road, the vast majority of these vehicles being completely unaffected! So far, the preponderance of evidents points to "pedal misapplication," but I'm waiting until the dust settles, and the government enquiry comes to its conclusions. I speculate they will concludes, as in the Audi fiasco, that "pedal misapplication" is the culprit. But just to make sure all the hoopla was not wasted, they will legislate a number of changes, none of which will work if the driver is mashing the gas pedal while *believing* they are standing on the brake.

Just as a reminder for those who are too young to remember, when the Audi Unintended Acceleration fiasco was under way, Audi jumped through hoops to demonstrate they were doing everything possible. They even redesigned their brake pedal, even though only a tiny minority of Audi drivers experienced the problem. Eventually, a government enquiry determined the cause of the problem: "pedal misapplication" (AKA driver error).

We're pretty much seeing a replay, this time with Toyota being extremely careful to make sure nobody perceives them as "not doing enough."

There is one flaw or overlooked detail in your story that is missing. If it truly is pedal misapplication. What on earth did they fix the first time? And what are they trying to fix this second time while trying to hide it in a tsb? Pedal misapplication is all fine and dandy, but I feel that this excuse is merely an excuse for faulty product, blaming not the company that designed it, but the people who have forked over their own cash to buy these overhyped cars.

@Joe_Limon: Your flawed assumption goes like this: If Toyota is actually doing something, then they must be guilty.

Review the Audi unintended acceleration fiasco, and you will see *all* of the following common elements...
(1) Assertions are made by a relatively tiny number of people that the vehicles took off as though the pedal was held to the floor, while (they allege) that they were standing on the brake pedal.
(2) Condemnation of the auto maker by the media and the general public.
(3) "News" stories showing how the unintended acceleration "could" have happened.
(4) No evidence at all -- that being none, zilch, nada -- that there is an *actual* defect in the vehicle that *actually* caused the alleged unintended acceleration.
(5) The auto maker frantically grasping at straws, and making revisions, in an attempt to fix what the problem *might* be, without anyone, that being the auto maker, Crime Scene Investigators, or any other agency, being able to identify an *actual* defect that *actually* caused the vehicle to accelerate unintentionally.
(6) A government enquiry investigates the issue.

That's where we are today. In Toyota's case, even NASA looked into it and also came up empty-handed. In Audi's case, when the government enquiry was completed (still in progress in Toyota's case), it concluded that "pedal misapplication" was the culprit.

I am NOT asserting that Toyota is innocent. I am merely noting the similarities, and I'm reluctant to condemn Toyota as the public condemned the innocent Audi. We'll see when the dust settles.

You're right there is a hole in my argument, Toyota could still have no idea what is causing it. And in that case they are even worse, they are providing placebo recalls that serve no purpose other than to mislead the public. That actually makes things worse in their case...

Credibility? The crurrently-charged-with-racketeering Recall King tells us their latest Prius recall (650,000 '04-'07) isn't a recall, and now we learn that their technicians stripped bolts while attempting to fix recalled Camrys and Avalons: http://tinyurl.com/35g3tah

Lousy service at Toyota dealerships is no surprise to me: http://uc2.blogspot.com/2009/04/shoddy-service.html Toyota makes a great acronym for The One You Ought To Avoid, but not to worry. The Recall King can always "recall" the good 0l' days...

And what does this report suggest from lefthand news..Please read.Is this still driver error.Give it up Steve and Sportbike80

Toyota Avalon displays unintended acceleration without floor mat.

In a rather bizarre instance, a driver reportedly began to experience unintended acceleration from his Toyota Avalon and was able to drive the car to a nearby dealer with the vehicle still displaying wide open throttle, despite having the floormat removed. Dealer techs witnessed the problem and have reportedly offered to repair the vehicle free of charge.

According to a report from The Safety Record, on December 29, 2009, the driver of a 2007 Toyota Avalon experienced a bizarre case of sudden and unintended acceleration while driving on the highway, just miles from a local Toyota dealer. The driver managed to switch the vehicle between Neutral and Drive multiple times, while en route to the dealer in order to show the dealer the problem as it was still occurring.

The driver was able to reach the dealer, place the vehicle into neutral, and allow it to continue operating at wide open throttle. The dealer sent out a tech who verified that the floor mat was removed, and pushing the gas pedal had no effect on the acceleration. The dealer was unable to stop the wide open throttle and was forced to shut the vehicle off.

This incident was apparently not the first for the driver, either, who had been to the dealer before about the problem. The first time the unintended acceleration occurred, the driver was able to slow the vehicle with the brakes and switch the vehicle into neutral – where the engine continued to hit maximum rpms. At the time of the first incident, dealer diagnostics revealed no problems in the computer.

The dealer eventually offered to replace the throttle body, accelerator pedal and associated sensors free of charge for the driver after the second incident.

This incident may prove to be a crucial step in finding the true cause of the many reported cases of unintended acceleration in Toyota vehicles. Toyota began its largest-ever recall in 2009 to replace the floor mats and accelerator pedals in over 3.8 million vehicles that could experience unintended acceleration. Critics and survivors of unintended acceleration cases argued that the problem was not a result of the floor mats or accelerator pedals, but instead insist that the computer controlling the acceleration of the vehicle is at fault.

The Safety Record also reported on a one-car crash that occurred in Dallas, Texas the day after Christmas involving a Toyota Avalon. According to the accident report, the vehicle inexplicably left the road and ended up crashing through a fence, and landing upside down in a pond – killing all four occupants. The floor mats were found in the trunk of the car – ruling out the possibility of the floor mat causing the accident.

The official cause of the Dallas crash has not yet been determined.

It should be the independent incidents, rather than the national issue. Thousands of Toyota mechanics were involved in the repairs, and they have different experience and conpetency. If the shop managers didn't supervise their staffs closely, Toyota is hard to control the quality. If you insist this is Toyota issue, then you should be also be more precise as well. THIS IS TOYOTA NORTH AMERICA ISSUE.

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