Performance CR-Z To Drop Hybrid And Add Turbo

Last time I looked racing speeds and driving on the street involve two different velocity scenarios.

lol for some reason, I can't find any cr-z on track with ricer wings. The only ones I can find are like the one shown below. The only reason why they display wings at the show is for the visual appeal, stupid people such as yourself look at it and go oooh ahhh that must be fast! And it must be put on to handle all of the rediculous g forces it pulls! lol

http://www.my8thgen.com/forums/showthread.php?1970-Spoon-Race-Honda-CR-Z

lol I read your first post, and I see no pictures that they are actually using a rear wing. As to the civic the magazine ran. Do you expect me to take a magazine's racing team as an authority of vehicle design? lol I think not! For all I know the car could have been converted to a rwd or awd platform.

Here, let me show you how it works. In a nice simple diagram.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v39/joe_limon/lever.jpg

If you still don't understand it (which wouldn't surprise me given your comments thus far). The big arrow on the right corresponds to the force of the spoiler. The triangle corresponds to a pivot point where the rear axel is, and the small arrow on the left corresponds to the effective force that the big arrow does to the front wheels. It decreases the amount of force on the front wheels, in a standard rear wheel drive car this isn't too much of an issue as it will help eliminate oversteer and the front wheels are simply meant to guide the car. But in a front wheel drive car, these are the driving wheels! Less weight on them means they have less tractive effort. Since you have such a hard time with simple physics, less tractive effort to the driving wheels means the car won't be able to accelerate as fast both off the line and out of every single corner.

lol, you don't even have a rebuttal. Can't argue with physics eh?

It a good start but I think they nee to give it around 220 to 250 hp instead of the 200 hp plans.

Now where talking Honda!

I'm agreeing with UAW??? I guess I am.

A car in search of a market segment...

Honda is determined to sell this car if it kills them. If they can't sell it to green hybrid buyers then maybe they can sell it to the rice burner crowd. If not, I am sure that Honda will bring it back for a third try as a diesel or a plug-in electric.

I always thought wings on FWD were unnecessary until I bought my second MINI. My first was an '03 S set up for the BMW CCA spec racing series. My current is a the 2007 MINI Cooper S JCW works lightweight GP, with a similar suspension set up, but has a MASSIVE CF wing on the back. The car is sooo much more stable at speed than my last MINI, so it must work.

stability... by inducing understeer? lol whatever works.

lol I like how you have no idea how anything works, yet you jump on the stability band wagon the moment it gets mentioned. Fyi, when you increase stability by increasing understeer, you won't go as fast on a race track as the car will plow through corners, or you reduce the speed to something the front wheels can manage. lol

yes, cause the audi tt is a race car. lol the most common methods available to induce under steer are as follows.

Slap a spoiler on er, this is aesthetically appealing to people such as yourself who want a sporty car, overall performance can suffer as long as it's satisfying peoples desires better.

Point the front wheels together, however this creates losses in fuel economy as the tires drag more and excessive toe leads to premature tire wear. Audi has a hard enough time with the comparatively poor fuel economy it has, it doesn't need to make a non race car with poor fuel economy.

Make the front tires skinnier, this is essentially the same thing as putting a spoiler on, it degrades performance and people don't like the way it looks.

Add more front camber, by leaning the wheel in more, the tire travels on it's inside, this decreases front traction when you aren't cornering hard, yet when your car rolls over under hard cornering the weight is more evenly distributed. This increase in camber for your average daily driving scenario causes tires to wear out very quickly on the inside edge, something most consumers don't want to have to deal with. As far as fwd race cars go this is a far superior option, but for daily life, the ricer spoiler will allow your tires to last longer.

Further, do you realize that commodity cars are designed to understeer horribly? The optimum over/under steer required for daily use is not even close to what is optimum on a track. For a race car, a close to ideal balance of over/under steer happens when you balance a car to get as close to spinning out at a certain speed. At speeds higher/lower then the intended speed or range of speeds to be used by the car over steer doesn't matter. A commodity car on the other hand needs to never understeer, even if you osscilate the car back and forth a properly designed commodity car will never spin out.

Unfortunately however, I believe this point will blow over your head as you lack the intellectual capacity to grasp such concepts.

ughh, such a troll...

mistyped, the MINI GP is a 2006

CRZ looks nice and very unique. With a turbo motor it could be a good Civic Type R Coupe successor.

JUGNU

lol you know what's the funniest thing about that car?

http://www.sae.org/mags/aei/mtrsp/9089

“It was our very first attempt to build a racecar,”

"The CR-Z Hybrid R Concept was styled by the Honda R&D Design Studio in Los Angeles."

So basically, it's a farm team, and the "aerodynamics" were designed by a bunch of art grads lol!

If you do some research into that Design studio, it's Honda's main market research center and styling center for the USA.