Fiat Poised To Pull ALL Production From Italy If Union Won't Cooperate?

Why not? Just move production over to the US. Probably cheaper and there is a lot of excess capacity with Chrysler.

Think about it...A Ferrari built in Michigan..

Who would have thought that one up?

Why not? Just move production over to the US. Probably cheaper and there is a lot of excess capacity with Chrysler.

Think about it...A Ferrari built in Michigan..

Who would have thought that one up?


sounds like a wise decision until your main customers (Italians)stop buying your products because you out sourced Thousands of Italian good paying jobs.

They would stop selling cars in Italy.

"sounds like a wise decision until your main customers (Italians)stop buying your products because you out sourced Thousands of Italian good paying jobs."—uaw_lax

Right, "uaw_lax", just like Americans stopped buying cars made in other countries. (sarcasm). While there may be a few Italians who would boycott Fiat, there are plenty that wouldn't care and would actually prefer the lower price point achieved by producing the car with lower cost labor. uaw_lax, you've got to get out of the uaw echo chamber and learn how the world really works. The era of bloated, unsustainable, subsidized unions is coming to an end that is both inevitable and self-inflicted.

Wake up brother all of the prospering countries in the world have a huge amount of manufacturing jobs generating wealth and creating a middle class. Look at what China has become today and how it has destroyed the US over the last 30 years. Cheaper goods is not always better when you have a huge shortage of jobs.

how can people not see this? There are a lot more wealthier Chinese thanks to goods going over seas from the States where people had once good paying jobs but now have exchanged them for low wage jobs at Walmart selling the once made in America products now made as Chinese goods back to the Americans.

uaw_lax,

1.You've only succeeded in reaffirming my point. As you assert, developed countries have lost manufacturing jobs to countries like China. Of course, this wouldn't be possible if domestic populations weren't willing to buy cheaper, foreign-made products, even at the expense of domestic jobs. Clearly that wouldn't happen if your theory that "your main customers (Italians) would stop buying your products because you out sourced Thousands of Italian good paying jobs." were valid. Again, where's the critical thinking, "uaw-lax"? You're contradicting yourself. I realize logic and rational thinking are a rare commodity among uaw supporters, but at least make an effort.

2. Where did I ever say that cheaper goods are better despite a huge shortage of jobs? I'm merely pointing out the flaws in your Pollyannish theory that domestic populations will boycott manufacturers that don't bow down to local unions.

Tisk tisk tisk MBCLS07 so predictable one you will try to insult me second you will come with a convoluted and factless reason while you are right, sorry but you are not. Why would ANY automaker make cars in the US if our wages cost more? Why not just build them ALL in Mexico or China ans ship them here? Fact is automakers have known the buyers psychological reasoning that will create a few more sales of repeat buyers: The friends and families of the workers. for every worker there are relatives and friends that will support that worker, perhaps up to 7 more sales for one worker. Not to mention that there are cities across the entire world that would not have became cities if certain car companies would not have had a presence before the city was made.
So to an even larger extent the city or in most insistence a state will support it's workers by buying it's cars. none of the automakers that produce cars in the US need to make cars in Canada there are plenty of highways to move cars from a to b, they just do so to help the Canadians buy from them it's that simple and if fiat leaves Italy they can kiss most of there Italian sales arrivederci.

Sorry but UAW_lax is correct this time just pulling out of your market could be financial suicide for an automaker.
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market ... Meaning home market!

"uaw_lax", once again, you've missed the point entirely and failed to see the obvious contradiction in your argument. You can't, on one hand, decry the loss of jobs to cheap labor in China and then, on the other hand, claim that domestic populations won't buy products manufactured by outsourced labor. Clearly they do, otherwise the US wouldn't lose manufacturing jobs to China! This is simple logic, "uaw_lax". Even a uaw member should be able to grasp this. Instead, you construct tangential arguments touting the advantages of domestic manufacturing, while ignoring the disadvantages (increased overhead costs, constant hassles/threats from greedy, corrupt union thugs) which of course, do nothing to eliminate the contradictions of your argument.

Those who think that the UAW is unique in pressing agressively for benefits and wages have clearly never lived in Europe.

The chances of the Italian government permitting Fiat to shift all production out of Italy are about as great as the Vatican re-locating to Omaha.

Not to mention the 30 hour work week a retirement age of 61 and much longer breaks by American standards. Everyone here is an expert i just sit back and laugh.

"LauderdaleDriver",

1. Who's claiming the "UAW is unique in pressing agressively for benefits and wages"? Or are you just a fan of fallacious straw man arguments?

2. I have been to Europe and witnessed first hand the negative effects of public unions on their respective countries in the form of poor work ethic, constant strikes, high taxes, ruined budgets. The US is headed down the same road with their public sector unions. Wherever unions push their corrupt, greedy agenda, disaster follows. The UAW is no exception.

"Everyone here is an expert i just sit back and laugh" - even you right (Ex)Lax; even you!!! For what it's worth, uaw_lax only post comments when it has something to do with his UAW union or kronies. Keep smoking that wacky tobacco or pot like your union buddies did on TV lunch break and maybe you'll wake up from your terrible dream.

Again with no facts at all you use a generic anti union cliche and insult. did i insult you? NO! yet this is you intelligent and meaningless comment. So predictable.

@ (EX)_LAX - "So predictable". The ONLY thing predictable is your stupid comments about unions; Why do you think it was noted, you only "comment" on blogs dealing with the UAW stories or American made cars. The last UAW blog you rambled some stupid sh@t and didn't even answer the topic presented. No wonder you ALWAYS have negative votes.

Since you never have anything constructive to add to Autospies discussion AND your so bias/predictable on what your comment will be, please stop posting on Autospies website. Maybe you should join your UAW members in their "Toking and Pot Lounge" for your break.

I think that if the US had health care systems more like those in Europe and Japan, the UAW would look less dreadful. GM's largest cost, prior to the bankruptcy, was insurance, and it was on the hook for gazillions in pension benefits, as well. The bankruptcy freed GM from that burden, and also prevented that cosmic econoturd from being dumped on the US taxpayer.

The UAW has been carrying cost structure created in the post WWII world, with employer provided benefits, inflexible work rules, and other obsolete structures. I don't defend any of that.

At some point, though the unions are also a marker for the wages of US workers, and things don't look healthy..........a bad sign for the US economy, as a whole.