First photo: Brabus does the Chrysler 300c

that looks good, although I can't get over the rapper appeal of the car, a little too ghetto fab for my tastes.

I don't think so-ghetto fab--the grill and front spoiler is sporty/lux--rims OK. It looks good, the rapper appeal is just associated with the car no matter what is done to it.

Now all they have to do is put some 26" spinners and then maybe!!!

So we're still not ready for the benefits of a diesel sedan here in the states, besides the $50,000 MB? We're kinda slow.

Yes when will they learn..

Is Startech under brabus for chrysler cars? Kinda got confused by the title and the pics of the Commander. The Commander and the Jeep aren't as successful in looks as compared to the 300C.

All these new cleaner diesels should be introduced widely in north america, since is relatively cheaper as compared to the octane 91 and is brings out great milege. Why are people still stuck and using normal gasoline for big trucks etc?

bluetech, biodiesel, ethenol etc should be better implemented in North American to ease off the oil crisis. Electric Motor Hybrids are "good" but the batteries only lasts about 10 yrs (as some studies suggest), so you will need to find a way to either reuse it or it will end up in the landfill and takes thousands of years to decompose. Also, the hybrid batteries are quite harzardous when it comes to collision.

Good point Dakota....I was pondering that one myself.

THAN I AM ALL FOR THE "GHETTO" LOOK!

if you need a definition of ghetto you are the type of person that would drive this bling-mobile. It's gotti, it's too much, it's a rap video car, need I say more?

So any car (or any thing) done in excess these days is ghetto, when the only excessive point on the car is the grill (and I don’t see it incrusted with diamonds) .<br>
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Ghetto as you put it is very different then saying “Ghetto Fab” (I saw the VH1 special). I found people get offended by the term ghetto because of its association with its "True meaning"—which is slightly derogatory (first towards the Jews and now towards black people—history lesson aside) we have to look at both sides of the fence. When people start labeling anything that is slightly “binged” or something (as you put it) should be more or less in a rap video as “ghetto”, it just sounds like you are saying that it’s black …and I’m dropping the subject there. We have to look at both sides of the fence.<br>
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O and the whole point that car looks great, turbo-diesel---and the GOTTI grill ---I will take it in a blue please. <br>
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What is it with the US regulations and emissions for diesel cars, it’s like they want to just cripple every one with this gas thing. Better fuel economy, better torque, and (from recent studies) better emissions. Sounds Like a great alternatives. <br>
GOD BLESS THE U.S.A <br>

Don't bring the race card into it, real poor arguement. To each their own, but this car in general is a wannabe Rolls or Bentley for gangsters who can't afford a real one. If you like it so be it. To me, it's overstated and lacks class.

I dunno where you live (prolly in the states), but in Canada we use Octane 87, 89, 91 and even 94. And Diesel is around the price of OCTANE 89. The last time I went to New York and New Jersey and Buffalo (by car), they had OCTANE 90. So please don't criticize others when your knowledge is limited. Did you also know many places aroudn the world uses Octane 96, 98 and even 99 (in Japan it has octane 99) The price of that compared to diesel would be in folds. Diesel might give the impression of dirty/polluting the environment. But under today's technology on current cars like MB CDI, VW TDI and from Bimmers, Toyota etc Diesel cars are as clean as cars using gasoline. It is actually even cleaner with Biodiesel, BlueDiesel etc (more expensive but more efficient: example Europe where both GASOLINE and Diesel are 2-3 times more expensive than in the US).

Also if u can do math, Diesel gas is much more efficient on milege and in the end you are saving 40-60% of the money spend on gas. Ordinary Diesel is relative to the price of gasoline, more expensive than the lower grade gas and cheaper than the higher grades (91,94 etc)

simple math: price of diesel/ litre or gal for states multiply by the full tank of gas and divide that by the distance traveled. that will give u the price/distance traveled. Do the same equation with gasoline. Normally a 60litre Tank on a E320 CDI can run for about 1100km by diesel. While a 60Litre Tank on a E320 does aroudn 600.

What i meant by LARGE trucks are the Caddy Escalde, Tahoe and various SUVs ranging from Explorers to Hummers. These trucks are highly inefficient as compared to automobiles, and a large portion of these vehicles only carry the driver (usually). If you don't believe me u shoudl watch the news more, CNN had a recent story about the Demand of Gas and US Consumerism, where these large trucks are not used efficiently.

I know that commercial trucks had used disel for decades. I apologize if the wording threw u off.

Since you are from the states, I wonder if u had heard of CAFE? http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/portal/site/nhtsa/menuitem.d0b5a45b55bfbe582f57529cdba046a0/ they set the standards for auto and truck efficiency. B4 the standards for Cars and Trucks (pick up trucks, vans and commercial trucks) have a much different standard. Cars are more strict in terms of efficiency and they placed a very tough standard for import cars as well. While for light trucks etc their standards are very loose, a reason being is the US economy are dependent on these light trucks to transport goods and support the economy. Pick up trucks are the means for the construction industry etc. Given this to make the trucks more efficient would slow down the Us economy. But in 2008-2010 as showned in the link above, the standards are tightening. Now they have come to the conscience of stricter industry standards due to the demand of fuel/gas. If u want more info I can explain the situation for you, since i have just done my thesis on the issue.

"Given this to make the trucks more efficient would slow down the Us economy."

It would cost the automakers more money to make their large trucks as powerful and efficient. Think of a V6 hafing the power of a 6.0 litre V8. The price fo the truck would increase as compared to using a BIG v8 that produces around 200ish-300 hp. In the end the price fo the trucks would be very expensive for businesses to buy, so cheaper priced results more units sold and less efficient. But that is not the case today. The light trucks, SUVs etc are more efficient and hybrids are used.

We do have turbo diesels, VW TDI and MB is bringing their Turbo Diesels over with the existing CDIs

Alright, this is my last comment on the issue and then I'm done, because it is getting off the topic.

How is that a poor argument, when it is part of the argument? You subject a word and categories it with a race and the negative life style that goes with, i.e.-if you call it red-neck, would I think you were talking about an Asian market. It has a racial under-tone as I read "for gangsters who can't afford a real one...overstated and lacks class." (Disagree as you may, or get defensive, whatever). I think I got your definition, thanks. But I brought it up because it was a debate in on of the economic classes I had a couple of years back, and I wanted more feed back on the term/reference, but to each is his own.

The Car looks executive.


Will MB's CDI pass emissions standards for the next year, because I heard that no Turbo diesels in cars quailified for sales in the US-that true?

For the figures given, it might initially look more expensive for using diesel (based on the local price Dakota had given). If u did the mathematical calculation, the use of diesel still gives u a cheaper price for every miles or km driven. In the whole it still gives out better milege.

if you read this article again, the info suggests the use of Diesel/ the diesel engine design gives out better performance, fuel consumption lower and it is environmentally clean.

Let me show u the math. Suppose ur gas tank is 60 litres or 16 Gal tank. 2.89/gal of GAS and 3.29/gal of DIESEL.
So 1 tank = $46.24 for GAS and $52.64 for DIESEL.
Full tank gives u around 600km or 373 MILES for GAS
while Full Tank of Diesel gives around 1100km or 684 MILES.

$46.24/373gal = $0.1239 per gal GASOLINE ENGINE
$52.64/684 gal = $0.0769 per gal for DIESEL ENGINE

U can save 40% of money by using diesel with the figures given by Dakota 2.89 for gas and 3.29 for Diesel.

That is the end of my discussion.

A local MB dealer tells me that they are bringing over the CDI engines for the ML, R and GL class in this fall (ahead of schedule). As we all know these cars are all built in the states, so presumably it shoudl be ready for US regulations. Lets just hope it works out.

Your point is taken, however this is not a debate of classes or a sociology class. The term "ghetto" refers to a lifestyle, not a particular race. There are ghetto whites, blacks, asians, and everything in between. This is hugely off topic and I apologize to the others that have to read people spout off and try to make themselves sound intelligent.

Yea, I guess they can get away with those models because they can fall under the SUV category-(easier emission standards)--but no word on an E-class or C-class with CDI? I saw the E-class (bluetech I think) with a metallic finish at the NY auto show, it really made me appreciate MB.

Phantom you don't have to try to sound intelligent for me, I love you anyway you little lug nut.

I believe they already have a E320 CDI on the current E bodystyle for the Canadian Market and it had been introduced 3 years ago. Also an article in one of the major car magazines (forgot if ti was R&T, C&D or Automobile) tested a group of E 320 CDI for durability on a 24 hours non stop cross country driving from the west coast (los vegas to Texus or something). It was concluded that everythign worked exceptionally well even under the hot temperatures and each car made at least 650 miles. The only problems was the occasional wear and tear on the tires.

I guess the best way is to check MB's site. I hope bluetech will make it to North America Sooner!

Right. I left out the VW's. I get the impression that their cheaply built and don't hold thier value well, but that't just my impression right now.

The new MB's coming here are a good start. But what I was hoping for was a C class diesel. It seems more economical to introduce a small passenger car as a diesel here, than a $50K SUV. And I'm greedy!! I want the BMW diesel's here too!