Toyota aims FT-86 coupe directly at VW.

Toyota aims FT-86 coupe directly at VW.
The new coupés are aimed directly at VW’s successful Scirocco – but have several built-in advantages. Toyota insiders say that as well as having rear-wheel drive, which better suits handling adjustability than the Scirocco’s Golf-derived front-wheel drive, their new FT has a considerably lower centre of gravity (even lower than a Porsche Boxster’s) and is around 200kg lighter.

With such talk, Toyoda and his henchmen are sparing no effort to break through the current view of Toyota products as worthy but dull, while giving the car a general air of day-to-day practicality.

There has been much talk of creating the aura of the ultra-rare 1960s Toyota 2000GT, but a much more relevant comparison is with the rear-drive Corolla AE86 coupé of the mid-1980s, whose rear-drive compactness, high power-to-weight ratio and great controllability soon made it a favourite with good drivers.


In all likelihood the car will come to our market in two trim versions, with the entry model priced a little under £25,000. They will share the same power output and manual gearbox; price differences will be made up by interior equipment, body decor and wheel/tyre specifications.

Market experts say the demand for cars in this sector is around 60,000 cars across Europe, and if successful the pair could account for 9000 units or so. Of these, 3000 to 4000 could be expected to come to the UK, which means that next year FTs could be taking to our roads at around 80 a week.

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SteveSteve - 4/14/2011 11:41:27 AM
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Looks like a Tuner-Kid Toy, right out of the factory. All you need is a noisy paint job.


800over800over - 4/14/2011 5:23:34 PM
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Never new I was a "tuner kid".....looks good to me so I guess I am.


LexSucksLexSucks - 4/14/2011 5:35:02 PM
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Same here. Guess I'm a 44 year old Tuner kid because I am big on the looks.


MorePowerMorePower - 4/14/2011 11:56:31 PM
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This car needs a little hp boost as well. It should come from the factory with at least 260 hp.


dumpstydumpsty - 4/15/2011 11:49:27 AM
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I kinda like it. Is this the rebirth of the Celica?

I'm a bit confused though --- is the FT-86 a common platform that will be shared by different models from Toyota, Lexus, Scion, and Subaru? If so, will all of them be a coupe or will there be a small 4-door model in there as well? Hybrid trims? WRX (AWD) trim for Subie?


LexSucksLexSucks - 4/14/2011 12:14:01 PM
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If Toyota gave this car some decent power then they would have a winner. But this car will be all show and no go. The engine is going to be a 200hp Subaru built 2.0l flat 4. Unless the car weighs in at 2,700 lbs or less, it will be about as fast as a ScionTc.

Will Toyota ever build a true Supra Replacement? Or at least build a car that offers Nissan 370z level performance. Toyota doesn’t even have a car that can hang with the HYUNDAI Genesis Coupe. Pathetic! All Toyota builds are boring appliances. But now they are building semi-attractive boring appliances. How about something that actually performs? I'm willing to bet money that Subaru will give thier version the full STI treatment, while the Toyota version will perform a little better than a Corrola.

I’m tired of the dullness (and complete lack of performance) that Toyota has been releasing for the last 14 years. What a lame car company. Toyota's current lineup is nothing more than a Japanese version of GM.


carE10carE10 - 4/14/2011 12:55:10 PM
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"Toyota's current lineup is nothing more than a Japanese version of GM."

Isnt VW just a German version of GM?


xjprouxjprou - 4/14/2011 1:06:41 PM
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No, definitely VW is not a boring car company! Just look at the product line up in Europe. If they build crap for US market is another thing!
And YES, definitely Toyota's products are the most boring and pointless vehicles in the world!!
You are completely right LexSucks!!!


carE10carE10 - 4/14/2011 1:09:07 PM
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I think the new jetta and passat would qualify as crap for the us market...


bmwdrvrbmwdrvr - 4/14/2011 1:23:17 PM
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Toyota a Japanese GM? what about VW they give platform and badge engineering a whole new definition. At least Lexus has had platforms unique to them except a few models, up until recently Audi couldnt say the same. VW dna is all over everything they make including their ulta luxury vehicles so VW is way worse than GM ever has been or will be tack on their poor resale values, terrible reliability and there really is no worse company..


LexSucksLexSucks - 4/14/2011 1:31:35 PM
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bmwdrvr,

VW sucks too. At least they do in the US.


LexSucksLexSucks - 4/14/2011 1:39:11 PM
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"Isnt VW just a German version of GM?"

- Yes. And I wasn't singing the joys of VW. IMO they are just as awful. Which begs the question; If Toyota is shooting for VW, then how good will the Toyota's eventually end up? Answer: Almost as good as a VW or maybe a little better. Not a good business model. Toyota will never again be the largest car company.


They should follow their own ideas and not rely on VW to give them inspiration. Which gives credence to the belief that Toyota and Lexus are just copycats.


800over800over - 4/14/2011 5:31:00 PM
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Lexsucks....Do you even remember the price of the last model Supra? We're talking about a sum 30k sports car not a supra. Do you come to a Sentra thread an complain it isn't a GT-R? If you don't like it....cool. But comparing it to a Supra is nuts.


800over800over - 4/14/2011 5:33:00 PM
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94 Supra was Almost $60k new.


LexSucksLexSucks - 4/14/2011 5:42:47 PM
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800over,

How about comparing it to the 370z? Or Genesis coupe. I was expecting more than a scionTC replacement. I'm not hiding my disappointment for anyone.

I mentioned the Supra because there was a time when you could get a Toyota that performed, and the 1994 supra wasn't $60k, it was $42,800 new.



800over800over - 4/14/2011 11:42:32 PM
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stand corrected...got my numbers from a canadian website..
http://www.auto123.com/en/toyota/supra/1994?carid=946102302

But either way....apples and oranges. Toyota never said this was a Supra replacement.


800over800over - 4/14/2011 11:50:00 PM
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and 100 hp per liter....what a slug.


LexSucksLexSucks - 4/15/2011 10:39:22 AM
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"But either way....apples and oranges. Toyota never said this was a Supra replacement."

- Well how about competing with the 370z or Genesis? You didn't answer that:) If Toyota chooses not to cover those players then they aren't really a car company that cares about the driver (at least Lexus is giving it a shot).

And 100hp per liter doesn't mean anything if the car doesn't actaully perform. I mean an Ant is like 12 times stronger than a human. Guess who wins that fight?




800over800over - 4/15/2011 12:01:34 PM
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Base Supra only made 230hp....200 is no slouch for something not designed to be in the same category. You keep complaining about the car not being what you want.....I guess Toyota doesn't read autospies...


800over800over - 4/15/2011 12:10:25 PM
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Pretty sure the Genesis coupe makes 210hp to start....those 10hp are easily covered by weight/power curve. What else do you want? If Toyota told you it had 211 hp would you compare it to something else?


LexSucksLexSucks - 4/15/2011 2:07:00 PM
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Genesis coupe was available with 300hp V6 from day one, Same goes for the 370z. Nice try. Why can't Toyota do the same? It boils down to this. If I need a 300hp Sports coupe I'd have to go to Nissan or Hyundai. Toyota doesn't have one. Those are facts.


LexSucksLexSucks - 4/15/2011 2:51:22 PM
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So now an IS350 is a Toyota? Last time I checked the IS350 doesn't have a Toyota Badge. We're talking about Toyotas yet you bring up Lexus? This is too easy. Let me ask again WHICH TOYOTA HAS 300hp OR MORE THAT COSTS LESS THAN $300k. Were talkin about TOYOTA Not lexus. Man you are stupid


Ferrari365PFerrari365P - 4/14/2011 1:44:27 PM
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Styling, styling, styling. How is it that, time after time, the Italians "get" sports car design and gorgeous icons are born. When the Asian makers try it (in this era specifically), it just comes out looking like another angry nemesis from a graphic novel?


Joe_LimonJoe_Limon - 4/14/2011 1:46:01 PM
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lmao 200kg lighter then a Boxster? I thought this was supposed to be a sub 2000lb vehicle, not a 2400lb vehicle lol. And lexsucks, I thought it was suppoed to have 170hp, I'm guessing $22,000 for the 170hp version and a 200hp version to be phased in later at $27,000.


LexSucksLexSucks - 4/14/2011 1:59:38 PM
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Joe_Limon,

I actually like what I see from a design standpoint. The front looks mean and the entire exterior is nice. I like it a lot. And I’d bet that the interior is first class. What upsets me is that despite the aggressive looks, all it is in realty is a ScionTc replacement. They should have gone after the 370z with the FT-86 and not the VW Scirocco. I guess it was easier for Toyota to go after the Scirocco because of the weak engines that Scirocco’s have. Going after the 370z would have required for them to develop a 300+hp engine. Which is something Toyota seems to not be able to do anymore with cars that cost less than $300k. They couldn’t even develop this engine, they had to go to Subaru. Toyota is really stinking up the joint lately.


94geo94geo - 4/14/2011 2:04:43 PM
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Its almost 500Lbs lighter than the scirocco.


LexSucksLexSucks - 4/14/2011 2:08:41 PM
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Which Toyota is that?


LexSucksLexSucks - 4/14/2011 5:33:21 PM
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I'm not talking about trucks. I said "cars" moron. LOL!!! Now I know why you didn't mention which vehicle it was. Look stupid much?


LexSucksLexSucks - 4/15/2011 2:50:42 PM
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So now an IS350 is a Toyota? Last time I checked the IS350 doesn't have a Toyota Badge. We're talking about Toyotas yet you bring up Lexus? This is too easy. Let me ask again WHICH TOYOTA HAS 300hp OR MORE THAT COSTS LESS THAN $300k. Were talkin about TOYOTA Not lexus. Man you are stupid.


LexSucksLexSucks - 4/14/2011 2:12:50 PM
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"Toyota vehicles get you from point A to point B. That's hardly pointless"

- LOL!


g2okg2ok - 4/14/2011 2:03:48 PM
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I still prefer the Nissan Z-car.


WillisWillis - 4/14/2011 2:21:06 PM
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I'm interested in knowing how the FT-86 will be aimed at the Scirocco when the Scirocco isn't even sold in the US.

Sure, the FT-86 might be sold in Europe, but Toyota sells dull and boring economy cars there. One halo car like the FT-86 won't be enough to lure a number of customers seeking performance to the brand. In fact, Japanese performance cars have always done poorly in Europe in terms of sales. People in Europe buy Toyotas based on value and quality - not because of design or sport. I predict the FT-86 will be a failure in Europe, no matter how good it might be. The vast majority of Toyotas sporty fanbase is clearly in North America.


LexSucksLexSucks - 4/14/2011 2:29:51 PM
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"The vast majority of Toyotas sporty fanbase is clearly in North America."

- They're arent any sporty Toyotas anymore. That doesn't stop the fanbase from making up stuff. Stuff like a $25,135 310hp Toyota.


LexSucksLexSucks - 4/14/2011 4:04:26 PM
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The 310hp Toyota that costs $25,135 exists only in your head. What model is it? I know better than going to Toyota's website looking for something that doesn't exist. Name the model or shut your delusional pie hole.


LexSucksLexSucks - 4/14/2011 4:55:40 PM
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"BTW, you can get a 381hp version of the same vehicle for @26,410"


- Get off the drugs man. The car isn't even out yet. Toyota only mentions the 200hp flat 4. But from out of your delusional mind they're going to release it with a 381hp version that just costs $26k? This is beyond funny.

And you said that it was on the website? Where? Post a link or continue to look like you are making up stuff.

The more you talk about an almost 400hp Toyota for $26k the more you look like a delusional fanboy that makes crap up. I'm starting to think that you are just playing with me. You can't be that stupid.

Post the link of the 381hp Toyota that cost $26k or continue to look stupid.


LexSucksLexSucks - 4/14/2011 5:00:18 PM
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I looked on the website knowing that you were baiting me to do this. Couldn't find nothing. Where is it?

Now watch you come back with something like "Did you enjoy the wild goose chase that I sent you on?".

You call me stupid yet you're the one making up crap and not showing any proof. Typical Toyota Fanboy Loser.


LexSucksLexSucks - 4/14/2011 5:14:20 PM
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He's talking about the Tundra folks. A freaking truck!! LOL. No wonder why you refuse to mention it. What a joke. Who cares about a 310hp slow as balls truck? We're talking about the FT-86, performance, and CARS. If the Tundra is what you are using to define Toyota performance then you are even more stupid than I thought you were.


LexSucksLexSucks - 4/15/2011 2:16:43 PM
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"LEXSUCKS, you still sticking to your ignorant, uninformed claim that to get over 300hp, you must spend over 300K?"

- It isn't ignorant if its true. You are the one who's ignorant by attemtpting to bring a truck into the conversation. So let me make this clear; IN ORDER FOR ANYONE TO GET A TOYOTA "CAR" WITH 300hp PLUS YOU HAVE TO SPEND OVER $300,000. I said CAR this time just like I did the last time. Show me a TOYOTA CAR that costs under $300,000 that has 300hp plus? You still haven't done that.


LexSucksLexSucks - 4/15/2011 2:29:04 PM
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Here's my quote from above:

"Going after the 370z would have required for them to develop a 300+hp engine. Which is something Toyota seems to not be able to do anymore with cars that cost less than $300k."

- I said CARS. Don't blame me if you don't know the difference between a car and a truck. And I'll ask again. Show me a Toyota "CAR" that has 300hp (or more) that costs less than $300,000. You still haven't proved me wrong, yet you call me ignorant.



LexSucksLexSucks - 4/15/2011 2:39:20 PM
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So now an IS350 is a Toyota? Last time I checked the IS350 doesn't have a Toyota Badge. We're talking about Toyotas yet you bring up Lexus? This is too easy. Let me ask again WHICH TOYOTA HAS 300hp OR MORE THAT COSTS LESS THAN $300k. Were talkin about TOYOTA Not lexus. Man you are stupid.


Arsen89Arsen89 - 4/14/2011 3:20:34 PM
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Numbers are one thing, but I think we must actually wait until the car is test driven to actually pass judgement, better yet, until one has test driven it personally. I think this car will be the next AE86 corolla and that is just as big as saying that a car would be the next supra. The design looks attractive and so far I believe this is car is still very promising.


poot66poot66 - 4/14/2011 3:32:28 PM
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I'm sorry but I think those were flukes considering the fact we all can name and count on one hand all the good Toyota's. On the hand look at all the other cars and attempts at greatness that turned out to be tiny Camry's which in it self isn't a bad thing but when talking about performance I don't think there is a bigger insult.


poot66poot66 - 4/14/2011 3:27:18 PM
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What really irritates me is this car should have been on the road already I've been hearing about this crap forever. Toyota is making it seem like building a sports car is some impossible task put a freaking engine in the thing already and sell it. They keep going back and forth because Subaru's engine releases to much emissions and then they want to make it a hybrid. Nissan didn't cause this much fuss over the GT-R and I know this won't come remotely close to that the Z and may not even be as good as the Altima coupe. Honestly I am over it and Toyota


JUGNUJUGNU - 4/14/2011 6:53:49 PM
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Lexsucks

Calm down. This Toyota-Subaru project isn't insignificant or small one so i expect to see plenty of options and engine choices offered by Toyota and Subaru when FT86 will be officially launched or not too late after launch. Considering Subaru's STI produces 300BHP+ and also newer mainstream engines like Hyundai's 2.0T pushing close to 300BHP, i expect to see very competitive I4 engines in new Toyota-Subaru budget Sports car.


LexSucksLexSucks - 4/15/2011 2:21:37 PM
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I'm still laughing at the fact that you haven't showed me a single Toyota CAR that costs under $300,000 that has 300hp (or more). Or are you going to bring up a slow ass Truck when I specifically said cars. Show me any Toyota CAR that puts out 300hp that costs under $300k or shut the hell up.


LexSucksLexSucks - 4/15/2011 2:35:52 PM
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I'm also laughing at nonofyobus trying to make up his own facts (300hp Toyota car that costs under $300k). Typical Toyota Loser.

SHOW ME A TOYOTA CAR THAT COSTS UNDER $300K THAT PUTS OUT 300hp OR MORE? Not answering the question isn't going to make you correct. If you want I can print out the complete Toyota CAR Lineup and we can look at the numbers together? Or are you going to continue to think that delusional fanboy B.S trumps actual facts?


LexSucksLexSucks - 4/15/2011 2:44:42 PM
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"My GOD you are a stupid fucktard LexSUCKS.
Please shut your ignorant trap. Go to the Lexus Website. You can get a 306hp IS350 C and it is way less than the $300,000 price you claim"

- The IS350 isn't a Toyota you dumb ass. Or is it? Either way it doesn't have a Toyota badge. So I'm not sure why the hell you are bringing up Lexus? That's like a VW fan claiming that the Audi A8 is a part of VWs lineup. But even Audi fans aren't that dumb. This is beyond funny.


mini22mini22 - 4/14/2011 7:00:13 PM
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If the car weighs in at 2700 LBS and has 200HP it should have a better power to weight ratio then most of it's competition.


SSP350SSP350 - 4/14/2011 8:16:18 PM
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I love how people just jump to conclusions about Toyota not being able to perform or build cars to perform, anymore. Toyota is not a car company that would give off a perception of racing heritage. But what's different, now, is that they want to change or tweak their image so they would be appealing to a younger crowd, instead of building cars that would get you from point A to point B. We all have to start somewhere and Toyota is starting it with a FT-86.

LexSucks, you keep spewing all this non-sense about Toyota's lineup, which is completely irrelevant, what you should be focusing on is how Toyota is going to change their lineup.


LexSucksLexSucks - 4/15/2011 2:47:46 PM
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"LexSucks, you keep spewing all this non-sense about Toyota's lineup, which is completely irrelevant, what you should be focusing on is how Toyota is going to change their lineup. "

- So Toyota's current lineup is irrelevent? So I shouldn't be paying attention to the cars that you can actually buy, and instead pay more attention to cars that aren't even out yet?


poot66poot66 - 4/16/2011 12:57:12 AM
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Toyota only recently stop making sporty coupes The Celica has been a long time failure and of course the MR2 and their one success Supra. They put all their eggs in the Scion basket which skyrocketed and has recently within the pass few years began to tank. It's wishful thinking to think that Toyota is all of a sudden going to get it right because they have been doing it wrong for so long and as I said they have yet in all this time been able to produce a product. They could have started with a four or a four with a turbo added on hybrid later put the 3.5 from the IS in there let Subaru build the engine but no they want to keep re-releasing the same photos again and again.

Mark my words when Toyota is done with this it will be one of two thing a sexy Prius like that Lexus CT or a sexy two door corolla. If it's anything more than that it will be close to 30k which to me translates time to get a 370Z because it will be better and by the time this thing release Nissan will have already remodeled it.



MorePowerMorePower - 4/14/2011 11:59:09 PM
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People who buy VW's are not going to buy this car. Toyota should be targeting the Genesis 2.0T coupe, V6 Camaros and Mustangs.

The FT does not have the horsepower of the Camaro or Mustang, but a lot of people, read Parents, would prefer to drive a Toyota than an American brand.


800over800over - 4/18/2011 11:08:03 AM
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I know a lot of kids who would prefer to drive a car that looks like this instead of a Mustang...no matter the power.


mini22mini22 - 4/15/2011 1:32:24 PM
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The FT is probably also going to weigh in at 900 LBs less then most Mustangs(which is the lightest pony car at the moment).At 2600 or 2700 LBS 200 HP can still be resonably quick. My old 78 Porsche 911 SC had less then 180 HP and still hit 0-60 in the low sixes.It weighed in at about 2700 LBS.


LexSucksLexSucks - 4/15/2011 2:50:00 PM
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Better than being the village racist.


JUGNUJUGNU - 4/15/2011 3:38:42 PM
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Lexsucks

Toyota Mark models, Crown, Avalon, Aurion...etc produce close to or above 300BHP. In fact Lexus IS was the first car in it's class to have 300BHP V6 back in 2006. Funny all the time you say Lexus is just a Toyota but now not counting Lexus IS as Toyota because it produces 300BHP.
Also the reason there are not many Toyota cars producing above 300BHP is because there is very small market for such models. Toyota don't want to make failures like Phaetons. At 300BHP point people just buy Lexus.
For Toyota it is not a case of ability, they just chose not make many sporty cars(was too focused on sales, profits and becoming #1) but now they are changing and bringing sporty cars back. You should be happy and more open minded.


lexusrox123lexusrox123 - 4/15/2011 9:34:22 PM
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Holy flame war! I like this car a lot. Best looking Toyota in a while.


SSP350SSP350 - 4/18/2011 11:09:41 AM
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Yeah, I guess 'he' didn't get my post either. What a dumb POS.
my 2 cents.


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