Which One Of These 3 Doesn't Deserve To Be Even Compared On The Same Page As The Others?

Which One Of These 3 Doesn't Deserve To Be Even Compared On The Same Page As The Others?
One of the more painful experiences these days is reading what's left of the car magazines.

To me the quality and relevance gets worse month after month.

About the only excitement is trying to guess which ones won't exist a year from today.

So when I saw this article in Motor Trend as I was waiting for my Starbucks pour over to brew at the supermarket I was dumbfounded when i saw this article.

Instantly I said to myself that ONE of these vehicles isn't fit to be compared to the others from a DESIGN perspective only.

I say that becuase the article photo is shot outside of a design center so the question i posed is STRICTLY regarding EXTERIOR design.

The theme of the article is that it is a trio of three of the WEIRDEST cars albeit when was the BMW X6 called a car???

Here is just one quote from the article:

"All three vehicles are also patently absurd, in the very best possible sense of the word-so bizarre that we had to road-trip them to the only American city capable of standing up to this trio's epic level of whoa: Las Vegas."

Another quote I do not understand is about the CTS-V wagon.. "Prayers do get answered". Please tell me WHO on earth was praying for a Cadillac Wagon?

Or regarding the X6M... "Earns it M badge in every aspect save one: desireablity"

REALLY?

The X6M is NOT desireable?

What planet is THIS writer on?

That said I'm more interested to hear YOUR opinions...the people that actually matter.

So WHAT vehicle doesn't deserve to be on this page of the three?

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pennfootballpennfootball - 5/9/2011 10:17:57 AM
-3 Boost
The Cadillac CTS V will beat anything brutal master BMW makes on any track and has proven to do so...it also has a dedicated chassis no Chevy uses!


pennfootballpennfootball - 5/10/2011 9:31:32 AM
0 Boost
Yes it will beat an M3 GTS whatever on the track and has over 556 horsepower to do it....Also the Cadillac SRX is on the chassis of the equinox, not the CTS chassis.


upwardsupwards - 5/11/2011 3:31:21 AM
+1 Boost
The STS will be replaced by the new ATS


uaw_laxuaw_lax - 5/9/2011 7:18:06 AM
+1 Boost
Why would Cadillac need to make a car to compete with Porsche? Porsche has only one car that may be crossed shopped by potential buyers. Also the Panorama only beats the V in the quarter mile and has a lower top speed than the V so after a quarter mile the v will out run the panorama.


85bmw745i85bmw745i - 5/9/2011 11:43:13 AM
0 Boost
The M5 and RS6 have a higher top speed than the CTS-V, they are limited to 155 but both can top 200mph. Never the less you can't knock the CTS-v. and these are cars that came out years before. The New M5 will be faster and the next CTS-v will aim to be faster than the current M5 and so on.


uaw_laxuaw_lax - 5/9/2011 11:56:28 PM
+2 Boost
"The M5 and RS6 have a higher top speed than the CTS-V, they are limited to 155 but both can top 200mph"

You honestly don't think the CTS-V is governed down as well?


85bmw745i85bmw745i - 5/10/2011 1:47:00 AM
+2 Boost
After 100mph the M5 actually starts pulling ahead of the CTS-v. Look at the trap speeds in the quarter mile. The torque from the super charged V8 give the CTS-v an advantage at the lower speeds, but as speeds increase the Parasitic drag of the supercharger takes its toll. Bottom line they are both amazing automobiles. Each has their advantages/disadvantages, and in this segment speed along won't make you the victor. The M5 has a much higher redline, which allows lower gear ratios to be used, which multiply the engines power better. At high speeds, the shorter gearing on the M5 multiply the engines power better, so the high rev limit allows lower gears to be uesd, making the M5 pull harder when you dip well into the triple digit speeds. This also explainsd how a bigger heavier car like the M5 with 50 less hp and significantly less torque than the CTS-v can go over 200mph, which is more than the CTS-v can do limited or not. ( from what the GM dealer says, the CTS-v has no top speed limiter



veyron1001veyron1001 - 5/8/2011 10:17:44 PM
+2 Boost
the ruler needs to leave


chewychewy - 5/8/2011 11:30:34 PM
+1 Boost
All three are quite awesome because all three stuff extremely powerful engines in vehicles not necessarily designed for ultimate performance (not including Panamera) So I guess Panamera is the odd one out as you would expect performance from a Porsche but not a wagon or a SUV looking coupe/hatch.


valhallakeyvalhallakey - 5/9/2011 12:18:30 AM
+6 Boost
Point 1: OK so what? Point 2: There are a lot of factors that affect "times". In this case MT test times. In any case maybe you should study up a bit, 4WD can make a difference, tires can make a difference, gearing can make a difference. Pathetic! Point 3: That claim is regarding official times around the Nurburgring. There are a zillion sources out there that show the CTS-V being faster than the RS6, M5 etc... at 7:59 vs 8:29 and 8:13 respectively. Of course I don't think any reasonable person would jump to the conclusion that since Cadillac played up that fact it means no sedan will ever go quicker... reasonable person being the key. Point 4: I would agree a bit on this. They need to work the details in a few areas of the interior and exterior however overall it is not a POS as you seem to be implying. Point 5: Not sure what that is about other than a rant. I have owned a bunch of cars, spent a number of years in Germany driving a number of interesting cars including a BMW CSL and I currently have an M5, but I also have a 1970 454 Corvette and yes I am an American... so what! I love any car wherever it comes from if it at the end of the drive, when I get out, I have a smile on my face!


valhallakeyvalhallakey - 5/9/2011 12:18:59 AM
+2 Boost
Oh for a link to those times... here is one there are many others http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nürburgring_lap_times



85bmw745i85bmw745i - 5/10/2011 2:15:37 AM
+1 Boost
Amazing the Zr1 was only .3 seconds faster than the 09 GTR, and the 2011 beat it by 2.2 seconds in semi wet conditions. Imagine if it had been dry. I was actually surprised just how fast the GTR is. I am still in disbelief looking at its horsepower and its lap times. It is down 200hp to the Zr 1 and is only .2 seconds slower. the 11 model is down over 100hp and beat the Zr1 by over 2 seconds, which is sort of close on a long track like this


Lamborghini_vs_Ferrari_RacerLamborghini_vs_Ferrari_Racer - 5/9/2011 3:28:37 AM
+2 Boost
Valhallakey, blazinboy is talking about the new BMW Bi-Turbo M5 with the engine from the X-6M, the new E-Class Black Series coming out and the RS-6 which will be launched with the high output V-8 to be shared with Bentley,as well as the Panamera Turbo S which has another 50 horsepower over the Turbo amongst other things.

None of these cars have been tested against the CTS-V but judging by the fact that an SUV was keeping up with the CTS-V, the same engine in a lighter car (M5) will leave the CTS-V for dead. Besides, the old M5 has been around for what is only slightly less than a decade, but that 507BHP V-10 sings and still goes over 200mph unrestricted carrying you and 4 of your friends as well as all your luggage in comfort =)


aboodestaaboodesta - 5/9/2011 4:56:08 AM
+2 Boost
The V10 in the M5 is truly an engineering marvel.


85bmw745i85bmw745i - 5/9/2011 11:45:08 AM
+2 Boost
Indeed, and I think the Audi RS6 Avant shouldn't have been left out. It is perfect to compare with the CTS-V wagon.


valhallakeyvalhallakey - 5/9/2011 1:07:49 PM
+2 Boost
I have not seen any tests of these new cars so where does this come from??? "when clearly the Panamera Turbo in the article is faster not to mention the just released Panamera Turbo S and subsequent releases of the M5, E63 Black and RS6. " Purely speculation at this point, although yes I would hope the game moves on and they are faster.


85bmw745i85bmw745i - 5/10/2011 1:53:20 AM
+1 Boost
I agree. Americans rely on giant low tech, low specific power to size pushrod V8's. They create monster torque and thats What American car companies are famous for, Like German cars are famous for superb handling and high speed stability. America could never design an engine like the V10 in the M5. It is not in their blood. the last high tech V8 came in the C4 vette Zr-1 and that engine was co developed with Lotus. 400hp was alot in that time, especially in something that didn't have a ferrari porsche or lamborghini name plate on it.



eSparkInfoeSparkInfo - 5/9/2011 5:00:56 AM
+1 Boost
You never joke about 007. But, I love 007. What about 2nd one.


85bmw745i85bmw745i - 5/10/2011 1:55:20 AM
+2 Boost
an M5 gt woudl be a great competitor to the Panamera. While I thing the Panamera would have the best driving dynamis for its size, the M5 gt would look so much better. the Panamera looks great until you get to the C pilar back.


wcbrownwcbrown - 5/9/2011 9:25:43 AM
-4 Boost
Blazin Boy, and you are obviously an idiot.



WhelanWhelan - 5/9/2011 10:47:31 AM
+1 Boost
Do I desire an X6M? No. Do I desire an X6 in any aspect? No.

Do I desire a Cadillac CTS-V Wagon? YES. Would I take a CTS non V Wagon? Probably not, I would go for a nice well maintained Volvo V70R w/ a six speed.

I'm a wagon fan MUCH more than I am a crossover, bloated, lift-kit your hatchback fan. I have no need to be 6 feet in the air and have a barely usable cargo area that cannot hold anything taller than a duffel bag without folding the seats down. Nor do I want something with less rear leg room than a wagon could provide.




Agent001Agent001 - 5/9/2011 11:42:01 AM
+2 Boost
I would venture to guess that if you had the money for the Caddy wagon you would NEVER, EVER spend your own dough to buy one. You would buy something else.

Has there ever been a car with so much hype that's sold so little?

Oops, the Volt.

001


WhelanWhelan - 5/9/2011 1:13:51 PM
+1 Boost
"I would venture to guess that if you had the money for the Caddy wagon you would NEVER, EVER spend your own dough to buy one. You would buy something else."

Your first question is mute because I already answered it. If it was a regular CTS Wagon then I would really strive to find a nice Volvo V70R. Funny thing is I do have the money to afford (not buy because there is a big difference between buy and afford) the Caddy in non V trim. But I would rather pickup the use V70R.

Now if I had the money, some $60k available to pickup a CTS-V Wagon. There is not much else I would consider, and given that this article is comparing a Porsche Panamera that does not appeal to me in the least, a BMW X6M that in any version makes me ill, or the CTS-V Wagon; I tried to stay on point with what was given to me for options.

So sure, you can "venture to guess" all you want. But I don't have any brand loyalty or hard decisions in this particular comparison to discuss. And having not driven any of them, I can only speculate based on what I read, see, hear. As a journalist it would be your job to persuade me one way or the other, however your persuasion doesn't seem to have worked on me thus far.


LACMANLACMAN - 5/9/2011 10:48:30 AM
+3 Boost
The theme of the article is that it is a trio of three of the WEIRDEST cars albeit when was the BMW X6 called a car???

Car meaning transportation period. The CTS is a wagon and the Panamera is a 5 door hatch and they arent cars either if you want to get technical.

Another quote I do not understand is about the CTS-V wagon.. "Prayers do get answered". Please tell me WHO on earth was praying for a Cadillac Wagon?

No one was exactly praying for a Cadillac wagon but I know A LOT of car enthusiasts who hoped for the day we would see a high performance wagon of ANY sort over here in the states. I would rather see/own an M3 wagon but thats not possible.

Or regarding the X6M... "Earns it M badge in every aspect save one: desireablity" REALLY? The X6M is NOT desireable?

Even the regular X6 isnt desireable the "average" consumer. the few of us who DO want one dont count. Just because I like the 5GT (and would buy one) doesnt mean its now a desirable vehicle.

Come on 001, as a car ethusiast, you sounded a bit elementary (or like you were nit picking). The point of comparo's, or articles, like this is for PURE entertainment. No one really compares these three vehicles to each other. They are all high performance vehicles for different purposes and different people. As a matter of fact, sometimes I wish THIS site did comparo's like this instead of reporting TMZ-like news as often as it does...

@ wcbrown: Yes, blazinboy is an idiot ONLY when he isnt taking meds.


85bmw745i85bmw745i - 5/9/2011 11:46:56 AM
0 Boost
The Audi RS6 Avant would beat the CTS-v in acceleration with its 576hp twin turbo V10


LexSucksLexSucks - 5/9/2011 1:51:41 PM
+1 Boost
"Three Loko"

Am I the only guy that gets that?


internationalmanofmysteryinternationalmanofmystery - 5/9/2011 2:43:16 PM
+2 Boost
"Which One Of These 3 Doesn't Deserve To Be Even Compared On The Same Page As The Others?"

Why, the X6M!! It's in a league of its own!!



internationalmanofmysteryinternationalmanofmystery - 5/9/2011 2:44:16 PM
+2 Boost
And it's BIG!! EPIC, as Clarkson would say!


uaw_laxuaw_lax - 5/10/2011 12:00:26 AM
+2 Boost
Funny same thing happened when i was x6 hmmm go figure


85bmw745i85bmw745i - 5/10/2011 2:02:36 AM
+2 Boost
UAW your love for American cars as made you blind. I love all cars, and BMW is one of my favorites but I don't call everything else trash. You are a blind patriotic American. The type that would think America builds the most advances reliable and best handling cars on the road. We do make some good cars, but aside from the CTS-V If I want a performance sedan with an interior that is not made of materials rejected by tupperware, Germany has not let me down. Just pull on the interior door handles and look at how much everything flexes in American cars. Wiggle the center console in an American car and the whole thing moves back and fourth as if it were held down by 3m double sided tape. I will say American cars have improved tremendously, but Like the Japanese, they lack the driving dynamics of the German sedans (CTS is the only worthy competitor American has to Offer) Think about it. The only answer we have to Germany is the CTS and CTS-V. The Zr1 Vette may have the performance but the luxury is just plain crap compared to the other exotics. Other then The CTS, We have nothing to compare with Germany.


upwardsupwards - 5/11/2011 3:34:53 AM
+1 Boost
And you are apparently illiterate or just slow, none of my post called everything else trash or had anything to do with personal attacks.


upwardsupwards - 5/11/2011 3:37:27 AM
+1 Boost
Sorry replying to blazing girl


85bmw745i85bmw745i - 5/10/2011 2:07:18 AM
+1 Boost
And I really like the CTS by the way. I am actually impressed with it, however I expected better acceleration than upper 6 second acceleration froma 300hp engine since BMW can do better with less in the 530i. With the new GTR, the ZR1 is now outclassed. Had the interior been built better and GM didn't put a Cavalier steering wheel in it with other pars from the GM parts bin it would win in my book. the GTR is the new king of bang for your buck. I hope the next Vette has an interior worthy of the cars performance capability. It is a truly great machine and deserves an interior and deserves beter made panels to match its awesome performance. Have you ever pushed in on the back end of a vette?


valhallakeyvalhallakey - 5/11/2011 12:31:32 AM
+1 Boost
The new mustang motor is pretty sweet, and the boss enhancements just add to it. Not to mention it can take on the M3 in a lot of ways at 40% off. Not as highly stressed as some of the recent motors from BMW but even they are backing down a bit. Turbo charging, lowering rpm red lines etc... I like em all and I for one am glad everyone is not just copying... would be pretty boring if every performance sedan was a clone of the M5...


85bmw745i85bmw745i - 5/11/2011 1:00:01 AM
+2 Boost
+1. I am impressed that the mustang is as fast as the M3 on a track. Guess all that high tech suspension is useless. Of course that suspension does make it easier to drive the BMW at high speeds and it is far more predictable as far as handling is concerned, but can't deny that in the hands of a professional it is as capable as the M3.


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