SHOWDOWN: 2011 Porsche Turbo S Vs. 2012 Nissan GT-R, Thor And Godzilla Do Battle

GTR and an SUV for the family or a 911?

GTR of course.

If you bring in "price" then you really missed the point of this comparo.

My response is: 911 and SUV or GTR and SUV? 911 of course. Because if I could afford a Turbo S, most likely I could afford to throw another $60K at a SUV.

If prices really matter that much, you would not really be looking at spending the $ for a Turbo S.

Nissan GT-R any day of week. You can see in the video when they racing each other, they were going back and forth. I want to see more reviews by automotive magazine. But incredible cars.

or if actually read the race rules

i guess you should read the race rules. do you have any idea how many different classes there are? Porsche entered the race with a non permanent awd car and almost won the race last year, VW is throwing in an awd golf this year, GT3 cars, one of creations, ALMS cars and sub 2 L cars, you'll find everything among the field.

Awd is NOT an excuse, they should stop acting like high school girls and back up their marketing. The GT-R wouldn't even need a restrictor cos of its godzilla like weight.

Why don't they use their GT-R for racing? it's the same reason why Porsche doesn't use a Turbo: these cars aren't meant to be raced, but Porsche doesn't claim the opposite or take your warranty away if you do so.

The GT-R is an awesome daily driver, nobody doubts that, but don't make it better than it is.

+10 if I could...

your a marketing managers dream the idiot that buys into stuff like that. Its funny it took 50 years for Porsche to take what was originally a pretty horrible unbalanced overheating unreliable sports bug into an overpriced, low rent interior sports car that is completely outdone by the GTR in most respects. IF the fact that Porsche chose a layout that is flawed and as a result has had to spend this long time working out the bugs worth thousands of dollars despite the fact it shares so much in common with the lesser cars in the range and the GTR handily hands its record to it go right on ahead.....there is one born everyday...

and as far as porsche refinement knock on the sea of same colored plastics, silver toned aluminum draped over the same interior as the base boxster in a car that cost over a 100,000 and partial leather seats while your bouncing over bumps to witness the true refinement of the porsche....

I'm ticked off at Nissan for making this car so ugly I can't even consider it. It is exactly in my price range (the Turbo is certainly NOT), but it looks like something put together as a kit car.

@t_bone

Have you sat in one or driven one?

I don't know what you define as a "kit car" but the GT-R is most certainly not kit-car looking.

I had seat time in a 2010 and I found its interior to be pretty nice. It definitely has an Infiniti-quality interior, as it should for over $70,000 bucks.

@Agent00R

Sitting inside a GT-R, I felt my vision impaired because the seat is so low relative to the windows. I don't like it. The visibility on the 911 is more natural and requires less time to get used to. No doubt the GTR is an engineering achievement, but they really need to work on the human interface.

And how much does the Porsche Turbo S cost again? With money I save on buying the Nissan GT-R mod it to a Nissan GT-R P850 and pretty destroy any Porsche out there.

Tuned v. tuned - I'd take this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqQGprL2lsc

And where would you "destroy" the 911 Turbo? Around town from stop light to stop light?

It's more common that a VW GTI "destroys" Corollas and Fits on a regular basis during commutes and traffic stops, but at what venue are you going to be separating yourself from a Turbo? There's not enough distance between traffic lights and you're not going to be accelerating over 90MPH around the freeways. Your mod would be a complete waste of time unless you regularly track your car against the best, Ferrari's and 911's.

I'd hate to drive around the GT-R as my regular everyday car, but the 911 Turbo is made to be a comfortable everyday commuter.

In the video it look like the Nissan GT-R beat the Porsche Turbo S but the Porsche barely beat the GT-R to the quarter miles race. And on the track they were going back and forth so it a driver race.

I got the 2010 Porsche 911 Turbo and it's plenty fast for me. I've seated and driven the GT-R's because we're part of a group that goes for drives along the coast here in the Pacific Northwest. Both are amazing vehicles. I don't care what the figures are. End of the day it's the driver 51% and 49% vehicle. The performance numbers can be good but each driver reacts differently to different things and situations can be different every time.

I think it's best to drop the flame war and appreciate both these cars. While both these cars are super fast, they are bargain purchases compared to everything else in it's class. 458 Italia, Gallardo are it's direct competition if you discount the price point. Both the Turbo S and the GT-R are great buys. However once you get to the Turbo the price soars with the Turbo S and GT2 RS and whatever is to come above that.

But for what they are, awesome cars. I'd love to have a GT-R in my garage but that space is taken by my 07 S550 still. It's not practical to have two super cars.

"I don't care what the figures are. End of the day it's the driver 51% and 49% vehicle"

it's rather like 80/20. people who hold the steering wheel with one hand, cos it looks sooo much cooler, think it's 51/49, but reality is quite different.

this video of a 1300cm³ Porsche killing suzuki swift keeping up with an F40 should be evidence enough.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXtmILKF1mg

visit the ring (or any other track) on an ordinary sunday and you'll be suprised what a difference the driver makes.

The ring and everyday driving is entirely different experiences. Most of the owners of my ride are on the track or somewhere pushing the car to its limit. I said 51/49 so the fanboys won't be mad if I go more towards the driver's capabilities.

I've driven the GT-R and own a Porsche turbo so I know that the car won't prevent you from crashing in to a nice concrete wall but in these reviews and comparisons it's the driver that makes the car look good.

@100octane...not knowing either driver, you can tell the F40 did not know the track evidenced by his early braking, double tapping of brakes, wrong entry points and terrible lines. Listening to the throttle of the suzuki, u can tell he knew the track, he pushed it to the entry point, hit the brakes hard and pushed out of the corners.

Lastly, suzuki driver was driving a bit reckless especially around the Mcycle at the end.... how can you justify grabbing an inside line LATE to get around a Mcycle,,, that could have ended ugly.

good drivers(on race tracks) study the track for days prior to a race....they know their entry points, entry speeds, lines, dips, blind hills etc. This guy was a good driver with balls who knew the track. Put him on a track that he doesn't know and it'll be a different story.

WIth that said, 80% driver and 20% car on a track, I agree.

That was fun to watch. I think the two are almost identical performance wise.It would just come down to the driver, and Tiff is probably the better driver of the two.

...best observation here...

911 turbo S is my dream car... the gtr is amazing, but porsche is just more refined.

if i was looking to spend 100k on a car, i think id still rather get a 911 carerra S over a GTR and wouldnt mind getting smoked, id accept the fact that GTR is faster but the carerra is better.

I have an M3 and when i get smoked by tuned EVO'S on the street, you should see how these guys smile... they look thrilled that they just beat an M3... i know deep down if they could afford the m3 they would rather get it cause these tuned cars are junk with crappy interiors..

on the flip side, these guys also know if i want, i could down grade and afford their " fast" car, i think same goes for porsche vs gtr. ANYONE driving a porsche 911 could get the GTR, they all choose not to.

Sounds like an EVO embarrassed your snobby ass. And I would pick an EVO over an E46 M3 any day. And after getting your butt whooped you still display EVO ignorance. LOL!!! Maybe it’s time for you to "Upgrade" to an E90 M3. Because the E46 M3 is played out, dated looking, and doesn’t even perform any better than a 335.

You sound like the typical know-nothing-about-cars BMW A-hole. Anyone who tries to diss an EVO is showing the world that they know nothing about cars. And anyone who says stuff like this is a jerk; "deep down if they could afford the m3 they would rather get it". How the hell do you know that? Not everyone wants a snob mobile that can’t even beat a car that costs 50% less. But hey, At least the interior is nice.

Get off your high horse dude. Its people like you are the reason why I would never own a BMW. That and the fact that BMW's are overrated, overpriced, quirky cars that spend more time in the service department than I would like.

I should have said "Own another BMW". I used to own a 330i that I loved. But then I started driving cars that actaully performed. After driving rally based turbo cars that blew my 330i away, the 330i started feeling like a boring appliance, which is what it really was.

not for nothing, but lexsucks, you are taking it a little personal, no?
"Snobby Ass"?
"BMW A-Hole"?
"Jerk"?

Its a forum 'DUDE'... calm down... Different people have different preferences...

"not for nothing, but lexsucks, you are taking it a little personal, no?
"Snobby Ass"?
"BMW A-Hole"?
"Jerk"?

Its a forum 'DUDE'... calm down... Different people have different preferences... "

- Perferences is one thing. But when a person stands on a high-horse about their preference (and thinks that they are better than people because of it) then they deserve to be served. The losers screen name is "iamdabest1" for Christ Sakes. He got what he deserved.

Now to you blazinboy:

"gussied up tin box subaru or Mitusbishi"

- Tin boxes that a BMW won’t outlast. And requires less trips to the service dept than a BMW. And I thought that iamdabest1 was an ignoramus. Lol!


"You obviously don't have that kind of money."

- How the hell do you know what I have? Do you know me personally?

Evo’s and STI’s are excellent cars. Just because you are to ignorant and hardheaded to acknowledge that FACT doesn’t mean that it isn’t true. Pick up a magazine, Go to Youtube, or do a Google search. Do whatever it takes to educate yourself because that Tin-can comment exposed you as a know nothing (about cars). Try reading the magazine "GrassRoots Motorsports".

"American's have poor taste in just about everything. get real."

- poor taste in everything except soap and water.

blazingboy,

You have plenty to learn about cars dude. From a technological standpoint both Mistu and Subaru offer things that BMW simply hasn't spend the R&D on. Thing like AYC (Active Yaw Control) BMW's don't have that, Mitsu does. Twin clutch transmissions (The Evo X MR's transmission is made by Getrag, the same company that builds the M3s tranmission. and Mistu released theirs before BMW). Torque vectoring (BMWs don't' have that yet). Brembo Brakes (BMWs don't have them). Bilstein Shocks, Eibach springs. Aluminum hood, roof and fenders, 2-piece front Brake Rotors. I could go on.

Anyone who dismisses a hardware list like that doesn't know crap about cars. On top of that BMWs don't offer 99% of what I mentioned above. Now you tell me about BMW's technology?

I drove one of these in CT and hired it from
[url=http://www.bookcapetown.com/tours]cape town tour [/url]

How much more money does the Porsche cost than the GT-R again?

Porsche needs some new designs.

lol the Porsche has carpet rear seats. Nuf said lol

Heard a GTR took off at the light the other day, man, it sounded horrible...

Anyway, "iamdabest1" did sound a little like he was on the high horse, but then again LexSucks, if money was no object and you can afford any car in the world, would you still get the EVO? I think what he is saying has a certain validity, even if the presentation of it sucks..

I would park the EVO in my garage alongside those exotics. They are that good.

You cannot tout the Porsche being more luxury oriented and have it lacking so badly in areas such as the seat material. It's like saying a corvette is luxury if you ignore the plastic lol.

hey lexsucks i actually do respect the EVO and i dont have an e46 anymore... it is an E90 series..
you can talk to me about me getting off my high horse the fact is the M3 is more desirable by even EVO drivers... they just cant afford it.

btw im not a snob and i do know my limits... when edmunds compared a 911, gtr and m3, they chose the M3 as the best... Even with me having one i thought they were crazy.. porsche is the best, just because i CANT afford it, i dont go trashing it like you do the m3.

and another thing about high horse, would you really choose an Equus over an LS460 ? only if you couldn't afford the LS...

"and another thing about high horse, would you really choose an Equus over an LS460 ? only if you couldn't afford the LS..."

- If the Hyundai offered everything I wanted, then why would I need to spend more money on the LS460? You don't always have to spend the most money to be satisfied, or at least I don't.

And back to your EVO/M3 comparisons. You will never find an EVO owner that would trade their EVO for an E46 BMW. E90 M3? Yes. E46 M3? No. And racing heritage? EVO's and STI's were built from Rally Racing.

I think that you are overrating the E90 M3. It didn't beat out the GTR. EVO magazine took both the GTR and the editor took his own personal M3 on the track. After 2 laps the M3's brakes overheated causing the pedal to go soft (all the way to the floor) and he flew off the track. GTR was fine lap after lap. That's not surprising though. The GT-R uses Brembo Brakes (so does the EVO) while the M3 uses BMW brakes that are not special at all. The 135 has a better brake setup than the M3. And that's what you call the king?

BMW's are nice but there are other vehicles that offer more excitement that costs much less. I used to be big on car interiors. Now all I care about is the drive. I'll get a 2nd proper luxury car when the time comes for me to need luxury.