Lexus GS-F will not receive LFA's V10 engine! Is this the right choice?

In turn of an engine Lexus actually designed by itself?

I got deboosted because lexus fans know that lexus doesn't have the capability to design a competitive performance engine by itself.

I'm crying...

OH NO NOT THE LEXUS FANS =|
maybe if you dont write such stupid comments you wont get deboosted

and toyota did make the lf-a engine whats your point?

not by themselves they didn't

yes by themselves, where do you get your ideas from? Yamaha(partly owned by toyota) made the exhaust note. your so obssessed with bashing toyota, its sad

nay, you're obsessed

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexus_LFA

"Like the IS F Yamaha co-developed the engine cylinder heads"

I believe they also developed the intake and exhaust, due to resonance patterns this is also part of creating an engine and effects the engines torque curve tremendously.

They wimped out

WOWWW CO DEVELOPED THE CYLINDER HEADS! Yamaha engineers have always been working with toyota, which makes the team at toyota that developed this car and other sport cars from the past.

You've been proven wrong, why don't you admit to it or not post any more?

these Yamaha engineers work for toyota, they have been working together since the 2000gt, its not exactly a completly different company like your trying to assume. these yamaha employess are not the same people making the keyboard and pianos.

besides http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_LR_engine#1LR-GUE

its ridiculous to pass Yamaha as out side help for toyota, they both work with each, and have been for a very long time

http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2006/04/10april06_yamtoy/

Because getting a MotoGP winning motorcycle to help you design your engine is a bad thing in any way? Only in Joe's world would it be any different if Toyota had simply hired the same guys from Yamaha and made them Toyota employees....

Here's a list of companies that "make things" for Ferrari....guess Ferrari can't make cars either? Ridiculous. All companies do it.

http://www.designnews.com/article/4111-Ferrari_designs_a_winner.php

Partners in design
Many of Ferrari's technology partners are well known as leading edge companies in their fields of expertise. Some of these include:

•PTC (Needham, MA) for CAD/CAM design software such as Pro/ENGINEER and Pro/MECHANICA

•Ricardo (Leamington Spa, UK), which worked with Ferrari to develop a dedicated CFD program for engine flows

•CRF (Fiat Research Center, Italy) for data acquisition packages

•General Electric commercial aircraft engine operation (Cincinnati, OH), which developed new materials

•Massachusetts Institute of Technology doing combustion research

•Shell for developing lubricants

•SKF for bearing technology

Ross Brawn, Ferrari technology director, says that as a result of good two-way relationships, partners will often offer new developments for use, or Ferrari may query them, directly or in periodic meetings, for help with a specific problem.



A partner may supply a critical component, so good communications and understanding are needed. He cites, for example, "On a race car, because of the stiff suspension, wheel bearings are critical." But Ferrari had to have good relations with long-time bearing supplier SKF to get the "smaller, minimum weight, maximum efficiency (lowest friction) bearings it wanted to take to such extremes—but which only need to last for 400-500 km." As a result, current wheel bearings are using ceramic balls, along with new greases from Shell—and the partners derive new capabilities from such F1 developments.

I recall Yamaha tuned the audio of the engine and not the engine its self.

The car has to be affordable

wow..., I actually agree with your comment this time that Toyota and Lexus priority is to regain sales lead and make profit again.

Not a fan of the grille either.

Better price it like a 550i instead of a M5.

That's what I expected. Too high revving for the job as well. I think they will likely extract some more power out of the 5.0 V8 in the IS-F.

Yeah I agree. I am sure the 5.0 can get at or close to 500hp, a good bet would be to see the 5.0 tuned to say 450hp and at least a 100hp electric motor and making it a hybrid.

Why not just step up their game and make it a twin turbo 6 or 8 cylinder? It would be nice to see if they really have intentions of bringing back the Supra.

Yes indeed, a nice twin turbo inline 6, say about 3.5 litres should give massive torque and durability, as an inline 6 has 7 main bearings supporting the crankshaft where a v8 only has 5. Inline 6 all the way. Nice NSX by the way. One of my dream cars still, along with an Audi R8 v10.

If the GS-F doesn't make some 550hps, then they shouldn't build it. Look at its competitors M5, E63 and A6 they're all over the 550hps mark!!

Again I'll say to Lexus team, meet with your next door GTR team to learn how to make sport cars.

It doesn't need 550hp to compete with the big boys, it just needs to produce real word numbers performance wise.

I agree that they should take note of what Nissan is doing 'GTR.' If they do this Lexus would be unstoppable.

I would rather a supercharger than twin turbo....

I agree, more of a raw power type feel....

Supercharger creates too much parasitic drag to be efficient at high revs. Great for low end torque but it becomes too inefficient at RPM's over 3,000.

I'm confused by some of the dumb comments I'm reading here, the truth is how many of you have a brand new M-5 ? How many M-5s were sold last year ?

Is the focus right now on who makes the fastest car or who makes the most reliable / affordable / fuel efficent car ? We live in a world where 5 dollars a gallon might be a reality sooner or later so what's the point ? What is the friggin point ? I don't want a V-10 in a GS coupe, most GS's are now sold in V6 form and if a 4 cylinder was available I'm sure people would be running to it like they did the Venza.

You want something that goes fast, try an F-16

You are confused. We are talking about the GS-F, the F designating the performace Lexus. Thus the fastest is a big deal, people buying M, AMG, and F, aren't think fuel economy first.

Do you have a source are you just making things up.

Is it confirmed officially? In the link it says New GS-F will produce 416BHP same as IS-F, that is last generation numbers and a too conservative guess/prediction. Fact is IS-F produces similar power as competitors, LFA produces similar power numbers as competitors, same is true for normal V6s and V8s too so it will be foolish to think new GS-F won't be competitive when there are absolutely no details.

Current generation normal V8 engines like new Mercedes 4.6 TT and Infiniti's 5.6 NA produces 420BHP. I am sure New GS460 replacement will produce similar numbers and GS-F even more.

BTW i agree it is very unlikely to see high revving V10 of LFA in a Lexus Saloon mainly because of fuel economy reasons. Maybe later in a SC coupe replacement or maybe not.

nonofyobus

Please provide me a link to this information.

I love Lexus, but they lack performance and this is a fact. They don't compete in performance aspect with their competitors they're always behind in that aspect. Even the LFA got burned by the new 2012 GT-R. The LFA's price puts it next to the Ferrari 599, Murcielago, SLR, Porsche GT, etc... but with much fewer power!!

This is why to me the LFA was a failure, even if it's filled with technology. It failed to shine like the GT-R did. The same goes for the IS-F and probably the upcoming GS-F.

When you see people wow'ed by a car like what the GT-R is doing, then you know that's a serious competitor, but no one was wow'd by the IS-F, or the LFA. They're good but not that good to kick ass like the GT-R.

How is the LF-A a failure when it handles like a dream and sounds like one, too?

GS-F needs a high-strung 4-cylinder a la Honda S2000! Build it!

and....nobody cares. a performance lexus remains on oxymoron for 99% of the people who buy the cars.