UAW To Press For Raises - But What Is A Fair Rate For An Auto Worker?

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$80k a year including benefits for a fully seasoned auto worker with a high school education. $50k a year including benefits for a new employee with a high school education. Both are more then fair.

In other words, about half of what they cost now. Their wages should be given these limits, and their benefits programs individually agreed upon between both the employee and the company. In other words, if you want full benefits, it'll cut into your hourly salary.

I bet it's okay to limit Bill Gates' salary too? I mean how much does one man need anyway?? You all seem to be down on someone with a high school education making a decent living! Most billionaires I know (and I know a few) dropped out of school! I know you are all fair-minded capitalists so I will infer from your comments that you are both just jealous!?!!

If I remember correctly, the majority of millionaires around the world don't have any higher then a high school education. I don't have anything against them. They were the ones willing to risk their livelihoods on businesses that could bankrupt them if managed improperly. Being a common worker however is different. All of these union members have job security that no employer has. When you're an entrepreneur you trade in job security for the ability to make more. When you aren't an entrepreneur, you have a right to ask for ridiculous wages, but you have no bounds in forcing them via a union.

most billionaires you know lol here we go i here a fiddle. most billionaires that didnt finish college are smart enough to finish they left cause it wasnt challenging. do you think steve jobs bill gates larry elliison the face book kids just cause they didnt finish school couldnt? the facebook kid left harvard so did gates. come on .

They must lose weight and pass a drug test.

A high school diploma, no college, and 50-80k a year with benefits, pension, 401k, etc. sounds like a deal to me!

I went to college, got a BS in business and started making 42k a year out of college. How the hell is having a hydraulic crane that assists you in holding the drivers front seat to put into a car so you don't hurt your back and screw in 4 bolts before the next car comes down the line for another drivers front seat equate to 80k a year?

I'll never understand the logistics behind the UAW.

When I said including benefits, I meant benefits come out of that 50-80k. Not benefits in addition to that large chunk of change.

"...All of these union members have job security that no employer has"

That's not true, Joe! An employee can't close the door to the factory, management does that despite what the workers think or want. And I get the frustration among some who busted their asses to get a higher education and still only make a fraction of what they are worth!! But I am not going to be angry at the man who dribbles a basketball, or hits a fly ball, or scores a touchdown because he is in an industry where he can command that level of salary. If you could hit or play, I am sure you would quit your job and move into a nice mansion and commute to "work" in a Lambo, or whatever you fancy!

Are you trying to tell me that there is more financial risk in being an employee then being an employer? Hahahaha! You crack me up. An employee doesn't need to have multi million dollar loans hanging over there heads with the hopes that their clientele buys their product or service long enough to pay back those loans and make a living. There is no risk being an employee, show up to your job and do your work and you are guaranteed pay. If the company goes bankrupt the employee walks away with all of their savings and assets. The same is not true for most entrepreneurs.

$80k max is MORE than enough for people with no education.

A High School education isn't an education? Some of the biggest fools I know have college degrees.

What was your college degree Lexsux?

I kind of agree, general science and arts degrees are almost as worthless as the paper they are printed on. Trades certificates and any of the professions are definitely worth pursuing though.

"CHINA IS NOT A COMMUNIST COUNTRY"

lol I stopped here, I'm afraid that reading the rest will lower my iq.

Ah, but China doesn't have a free market. The government still controls everything, the only reason why companies foreign to China are allowed to sell anything in China is because they sign away their intellectual property to China to be able to do so.

Although China may not be an ideal communism where there is no dictator, and people magically and evenly spread everything. It's as close about as communist as you can get.

F the UAW.

I will never buy or lease a car built by the UAW.

they want a raise let the uaw sell all that free stock they got from the US tax payers for free then pass it along to the workers. meanwhile the bond holders former stockholders and taxpayer gets screwed.

let me rewrite that. meanwhile all the former bond holders preferred stock holders people with equity stake in the auto companies and us the US taxpayer got screwed while the UAW got free billions in stock a payback from the obama admin for the votes. almost forgot changed the order of payback to the former debt holders of these auto companies. and yes the stock was free for the uaw they have no financial stake in that stock that was given to them. meanwhile gm goes lower and the loss is bigger for everyone else. CTSV was my next car not a chance of that happening now. I will never buy an american car unless its ford.

My favorite Joe_Limon quotes so far on this topic:

"...CHINA IS NOT A COMMUNIST COUNTRY lol I stopped here" So, here you are saying it IS!

"...(China) as close about as communist as you can get." Here you are saying it is close but NOT! Huh???

So they are NEAR Communist? A little bit pregnant?? I mention this point only to demonstrate that some people will say anything, even contradict themselves to make a point. You can't have a serious discussion with logic like that! And there is plenty of "that" on here! That is the level of the dialogue now. Scary!!!

Sorry, Joe! Not picking on ya, buddy!

I realized accentuate was talking about perfect communism. A utopian ideal (to some) none are like that. But if you're that picky then America isn't a free market, Russia never was communist, and Germany never was facist.

And markanthony0419:

Get out of New York! The air is better and you could use the fresh air! And that tingling sensation you will feel is your grey matter reviving itself! (If that is possible!!) ;)

A while back I watched a TV program about the Chevrolet Z06 assembly line. The host went up and down the assembly line, completing most UAW workers' tasks after about three minutes of each laborers' 'education' regarding said task. It appears that any requiring lifting now includes a hydraulic lift (thank the UAW and OSHA). Further, any task that requires a bolt includes a pneumatic wrench with a preset torque limiter.
If I can 'train' someone to do my job in three minutes and that job really only requires me pushing a button or holding a torque wrench, that job is not a career. Instead, it is trivial manual labor, which last I checked, demands minimum wage. Sorry UAW.