Priced Out Of A Job? BMW Under Fire For Not Renewing California UAW Contract

I will be following this situation carefully.

In my opinion Barbara Boxer is wrong for America, wrong for California and now wrong for Germany, too.

I will never again buy a car from a company that uses Union Labor.

I am tired of having my tax dollars used to save union jobs so that union employee dues can be donated to Democrat election campaigns.

That whole process is filthy with incest.

However, cars are fun.

So I guess you rather have your tax dollars go to billion dollar corporations that don't need them? Stop tying to make this political.

And the Governor was what? Yep. He was a Republican. Can’t blame the dems on that one

I do know how government operates. The fact that you blame everything on one side suggests that you know nothing about government.

And I see you’re back to the name calling again. People who call other people names on the internet are attempting to make up for the lack of a decent argument. Keep it up. It only makes you look even more irrational (if that’s even possible)

Lexsucks, Swarts may have been regestered as a republican but his far left liberal Democrat wife is the one wearing the pants. He did everythig but follow a conservative agenda. Maria was the real govenator! I don't care if there is an R or a D or an I, It's there agenda that matters.

Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire. Or should I have not said anything and let the crap persist?

lex: the democrats have DESTROYED california. they have controlled the legislature for many years. and the governor little power in this state because 2/3 of the budget is controlled by propositions and so thoroughly out of his control. what the states needs is a new constitution that wipes away the ballot box legislature known as 'the people.'

That Republican Governor of California did a crappy job. Amazing how no one here is mentioning that fact.

So now it's the Democrats fault? Get a clue. The fact that you blame everything on the Dems destroys whatever little credibility you have here. Both are to blame, yet you only blame one.

Lex, the Dems have been destroying California for 20 years. California carries 1/3 of the giveaways to freeloaders in the US. It's one big nanny state. I know, I have lived here all my life. The dems have forced out a majority of Businesses. It's a non-business friendly state. The left always bites the hand that feeds them!

right to work you mean modern slave state.

Unions, in my mind, exist today solely for the financial benefit of the union leadership.

The UAW should be the posterchild that labor union's strong-armed approach in the long run does not save jobs-it sends them elsewhere. Look at how many laid-off former UAW US workers are out of work. Look at how many jobs the big three have moved to Canada and Mexico.

I've been following the mess with Boeing and their establishment of a billion dollar plant in South Carolina after the machinist's union would not give them a 10-year no-strike agreement. Boeing has lost orders to foreign competitors during past strikes. If the NLRB rules in favor of the union, Boeing will become that much weaker, loss orders, and ultimately will probably move jobs overseas. Is that what Big Labor really wants?

We are living in a very small world. 40 years ago, United States companies did not have the foreign competition they now face. Consumer items are made in China, engineering and software jobs are exported to India, all the while we're trying to protect jobs. What the people of the US need to realize is we're all in this together. We can sink, or we can thrive.

nonofyobus,

Take your partisan gibberish elsewhere. No one here wants to hear your crap.

I have no clue how the republicans can brainwash so many with there brand of politics that only help the super wealthy.

"I have no clue how the republicans can brainwash so many with there brand of politics that only help the super wealthy"

- Amazing isn't it? And sad at the same time.

What do you guys have against people receiving the basic right of healthcare? It's only the dumb Americans who are brainwashed into believing that a person should die if they can’t afford health insurance. You guys are barbarians. And I willing to be the farm that there are elderly people in your family that are receiving that Medicare handout.

meant to say: "And I willing to bet the farm that there are elderly people in your family that are receiving that Medicare handout."

I don’t see in the constitution that tax payer money should go to private corporations. Yet it still happens. The nerve of these corporations to receive handouts!

Why don’t you have an issue with that? You're OK that a good amount of your tax dollars go right to billion-dollar profit corporations? But upset that some of that money goes to the poor or elderly? WOW!!!

One of the UAW members said the following: "We stood by them in the dark days of 2009 and now they’re throwing us out on the street so they can hire cheaper, inexperienced workers, and pocket the difference.”

These UAW pot smoking organizers act as if BMW was going bankrupt like GM or Chrysler. I would like to tell these dudes accept a salary more in-line with your qualifications for simply putting nuts, bolts, plastic and glass together. Besides, the robotics do the majority of the teadous work now.

Buddy your talking about California and pot in the same sentence.

I say let BMW replaced the experienced, quality UAW workers with their inexperienced and cheap labor. Then when they go to hell in a hand basket, and beg the UAW to come back, the union will be in a strong bargaining position, and can raise their rates and benefits in a new contract. Take *that*, BMW!!!

Mind you, if the less experienced and less costly labor does equivalent work, then BMW won't be asking the UAW back, and it will have been a sound business decision. Hmmmm, which will it be? I say, let the chips fall as they may.

Parting shot: A union man once boasted to me that he had 22 years' experience on the job. "No sir," I replied. "You have three months' experience 88 times over."

its ok once businesses say we make too much then they will be examining your jobs next. Already today Bachmann said she would eliminate minimum wage so businesses can pay you what ever they want ha ha.




http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2011/06/25/bloomberg1376-LNEHTY07SXKX01-2V4PAE1VSTENEF31VDPE7S26C5.DTL&tsp=1

"most corporations must set wages competitively or risk losing workers to other firms"

- Are you for real? We're at over 9% unemployment and you think that people can just jump from job to job? LOL!! Corporations must set wages competitively? No they don’t. This isn’t skilled labor that we’re talking about dude. If it weren’t for the unions, non-skilled workers would have zero negotiating power, and would be paid the least amount possible by the corporations. There’s a reason why the Corporations want to get rid of unions, and it isn’t because they want to pay their workers more money. They want to get rid of the unions because they want to pay the workers less money. That way the rich millionaire shareholders will continue to rake in the millions.

Maybe it’s me? But I’ll side with the workers (you know? The backbone of America), before I side with corporations like most people here seem to do.

"Exactly! Why should non-skilled workers be paid more that what corporations fell they're worth? "

- Wow!!! You know that a corporation pays their workers 18cents an hour oversees? Is that the America that you envision?


"An ignorant comment at best. And it clearly shows that you are of the camp of low-skilled workers looking for unearned handouts."

- I'm an IT professional. C# programmer. Nice try. The fact that you went there, tells me that you are deflecting. I'm far from low skilled. You didn't even answer the question; Why do corporations want to get rid of the unions? Please answer

And oh yeah... Why so quiet about this from the other thread?

Google is your friend
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29478402/ns/politics-more_politics/t/gop-chief-apologizes-limbaugh-remarks/

You know... The other thread were you guys had no choice but to shut up. The fact that you didn't even know about what happened (link above) tells me that you watch filtered news programs. Enjoy your ignorance.

BSBB,

I also posted a FOX News link. They said the same thing that MSNBC said. Did Fox news also twist the story? And why did you ignore my FOX news link? Childish back and forth between two stubborn hot heads, in which one still has big influence over the GOP. Which was my point in the first place. A point that for some reason you chose to ignore.

LexSucks asks "Why do corporations want to get rid of the unions? Please answer"

(1) Unions are an expensive way to get a job done
(2) Unions don't add value. They add *cost*, which erode at profits.
(3) Unions are self-serving parasites who will suck the life out of their host. They're also stupid, not realizing that if their host dies, they lose their source of food. See "Big Three" for reference.
(3a) Unions don't give a rip about the parent company. In fact, they're adversarial towards them. This does not make for a good partnership, or even a good working relationship.
(4) No company owner in his right mind ever wakes up thinking "I want to generate more value for my customers; I want to raise quality; I want to lower my costs to generate superior client value; I want to improve the relationship with my workers... I need to unionize this place." Are you ROTFL yet?

And that's just off the top of my head. I think it's pretty obvious that the only folks that want unions are union members, and the thugs that run them. Oh yeah, and the politicians who buy votes by pandering to them.

You guys are all missing a huge point. The vast majority of BMW's are built with UNION LABOR in Germany.

And having owned both BMW's made in Germany and ones made in South Carolina...the German ones...made with union labor....are definitely better.