Blazingly Fast! Tweet Indicates Lexus LFA Posted A 7:14 Lap Around Nürburgring

Who cares... this is an exotic car at best.

I would have to totally agree with CarreraGT on this one...

A post about how a LFA ~~~NURBURGRING~~~ edition did on the NURBURGRING, not over one or two hot laps but over an entire race has relevance.

If official, that will be the like the 4th or 5th fastest time ever for a production car.

Very elite status indeed.

This is especially amazing considering the LFA produces less horsepower than many of it's competitors.

Also coupled with the fact that at 3400lbs it's not a what one would call a lightweight sports car. Very impressive.

3400lbs? Lies!! the LF-A weighs 3000lbs even (or at least that's what someone here was saying it would weigh before it was released). And that time will never be official.

This is a customer delivered car?

"This is a customer delivered car?"

- No.

Lap times reported from the manufacturers themselves are pointless. The only way to truly sort this out is to have some publication run a group of all of the top contenders on the same day with the same drivers.

That method has its own share of biases too. Different drivers will have different driving styles that are preferential to different cars.

for example, if you had Chris Harris driving, then the cars with flappy paddles would get an advantage because Chris doesn't know how to shift properly and regularly grinds his gears.

I would still prefer that over these manufacturer reported times where no one really knows how stock the examples are. Hard to compare results between a fully stock example and one that has been secretely modified.

oh yeah, and congrats Lexus

Lexus has the ability to produce top flight performance cars that beat the Europeans at their own game just like Lexus did with the luxury car segment in the U.S.!

Now I'm wondering how all you Lexus haters are going to try and spin this one?

"just like Lexus did with the luxury car segment in the U.S.! "

- What about the luxury segment in the rest of the world? How's Lexus doing in Europe? LOL!!

The only people that are stupid enough to buy lexuses in mass are americans.

" So why are they only stupid when they buy more overall yet are suddenly 'educated consumers' when they also buy these same 2 models every year over the Japanese competition??"

- They are stupid because they are the only folks in the world who's buying them. Everyone in the world (including Americans) purchase BMW's and E-Classes. So there's nothing different about Americans purchasing BMW's and MB's. What's different is that they also Purchase Lexuses (en masse) which is something the rest of the world doesn't do.

My questions are:

1) Why aren't European folks purchasing Lexuses?
2) Why are Americans the only people that purchases them?

lack of lexus dealerships in Europe? It's hard to sell a car you offer very little of and nobody knows what it is :)

"lack of lexus dealerships in Europe? It's hard to sell a car you offer very little of and nobody knows what it is :)"

- Lexus tried to sell cars in Europe. They failed. If that's your reason for them failing? then OK. The Lexus cars were there to be purchased. No one purchased them.

Because Americans are stupid. The rest of the world gets it. Now when I contrast that with only Americans buying Lexuses and the rest of the world not buying lexuses, I fail to see the relevence of your question. Americans are the odd one out.

Say whatever you want. But the simple fact is that Europeans do not buy Lexuses while Americans do. Why is that? When Lexus is number 1 Americans are stupid? Who said that? Not me? Americans are stupid no matter where Lexus falls on the sales meter. And If/When Lexus becomes number two,three (or whatever) it isn't because Americans are "smartening up". It would be because the Lexuses have become so stale that even dumb Americans don’t even want them anymore.

And what’s the deal with this Lexus reliability myth? You act as if every other car breaks down (all the time) while Lexus doesn’t. All new cars are reliable. If they weren’t people wouldn’t buy them. And besides, I’d gladly take a BMW/Audi/MB to the dealership a few extra times over 5 years vs. the Lexus. 2 or 3 fewer trips (over 5 years) to the dealership aren’t enough for me to consider the blandness that is Lexus.

I can bash Lexus all I want. They deserve to be bashed with some of the lame cars that they produce. Do they not? I’m also not worried about the De-boosts. When someone gets deboosted for stating a clear fact. The problem isn’t with the person who posted the message; the problem is with the de-boosters.

If it is true and not Twitter cr*p, is wicked fast.
The Nürburgring (Nordschleife) Lap times:
The (7:24.22) 2011 Nissan GT-R (Toshio Suzuki) October 2010.
The (7:18.00) 2011 Porsche 911 997 GT2 RS (Timo Kluck) April 2010 (German-Boxer6T engine) $245,000.00 is street-legal model. Limited to only 500 units/year.
Congratulations Lexus.
Porsche is going to whine again.
Sorry Godzilla.

The LF-A Nurburgring edition cost $155,000 more than the porsche and $300,000 more than the Nissan. It better be faster.

Last time I checked the times weren't confirmed. The last confirmed time for the LF-A Nurburgring edition is 7:22.85. And not its over 8 seconds faster. How? I'm willing to bet that the 7:14 time will never be confirmed.

Calm down Lexsucks, it's best to give them credit now. What's the worst that could happen? The times get dis proven? If that happens you'll be in an even better spot to complain lol.

I guess instead of the feared Godzilla, you must say Barney!?!?!?

TAKE THAT HATERS!!!!!!!

"Because it's the best thing goin' today"


- No it isn't, you wish it was the best. You Lexus fans are beyond delusional.

I can't love a new 2011 vehicle that looks like it came from the late 1990's. I also can't love a vehicle that costs significantly more than any car it competes against. I'd take an Aventador and about a dozen other cars over the LF-A (all cheaper). But if you think its the best car available today, who am I to tell you how foolish that sounds.

Why can't you appreciate a comparably expensive vehicle? Do you not appreciate Aston's, Konigsegg's, or Bugatti's? None of these cars are competitive on a price/performance ratio.

The only cars that I apprecaite that you've mentioned is the Buggati. And that's because no other car performs like it. The Astons are overpriced and the Koniseggs are too crude.

You have no problem belittling the LFA because it's a couple seconds faster then its Competitors for double/triple the price. Yet you do have a problem belittling a Bugatti for being $1mill plus more then its closest competition? 1000+hp isn't unique, SSC Ultimate Aero, Konigsegg, Locus Plethore, Lotec Sirius, Mosler M900s, Zenovo ST1, Bristol Fighter T, Saleen S7 Twin Turbo.

The veyron isn't just about 100hp. The SSC Ultimate Aero, Konigsegg, Locus Plethore, Lotec Sirius, Mosler M900s, Zenovo ST1, Bristol Fighter T, and Saleen S7 Twin Turbo. All are crude cars that have awful interiors. Not to mention that they aren't pleasant cars to drive slow (normal driving). The Veyron can be driven by an old lady. Name another 1000hp car, that can be considered a luxury car (the Veyron is listed as luxury car, I didn’t agree at first but now I do), that can kick almost every other sports car’s butt around the racetrack?

There’s plenty to not like about the LF-A. Stop trying to make it seem like there aren’t any good reasons to not like the LF-A. Geesh!!

Veyron? OMG. Something amazingly tasteless. Well, maybe not for some oldies.

And which car's butt did it kick on racetrack? Please don't confuse drag strip w/ racetrack. That's embarrassing.

The interior of the veyron is not luxury, it contains virtually no luxury amenities, and the "rare" materials it does use are tastelessly applied and it makes the entire interior look tacky.

dare I say... even the LFA has a better interior.

"And which car's butt did it kick on racetrack? Please don't confuse drag strip w/ racetrack. That's embarrassing."

- You are embarrassing. And you also don't know anything about cars. The Veyron kicked almost every car's ass around the top-gear race-track. Veyron not a good track performer? What planet are you living on?

Top Gear Power Laps:
Ariel Atom V8 1.15.1
Bugatti Veyron SS 1.16.8
Lamborghini Aventador 1.16.5
Gumpert Apollo 1.17.1
Ascari A10 1.17.3
Koenigsegg CCX (with Top Gear spoiler) 1.17.6
Noble M600 1.17.7
Pagani Zonda F Roadster 1.17.7
Caterham R500 1.17.9
Bugatti Veyron 1.18.3
Pagani Zonda F 1.18.4
Maserati MC12 1.18.9
Ferrari Enzo 1.19.0
Lamborghini LP670 SV 1.19.0
Ferrari 458 1.19.1
Ariel Atom 1.19.5
Lamborghini LP560 1.19.5

"The interior of the veyron is not luxury, it contains virtually no luxury amenities, and the "rare" materials it does use are tastelessly applied and it makes the entire interior look tacky."

- It's still considered a luxury car (Even if you don't want to acknowledge it) and light years ahead of the other 1000hp cars that you've mentioned in the luxury dept. it also has a unique 16 cylinder, 4 turbo setup. What does the LF-A have that's unique?

I like how you place the Veyron above the Aventador even though its time is slower :)

Also you left out a few cars.

Caparo T1 1:10.60 (583hp)
Ultima GTR 720 1:12.80 (720hp)
Mclaren MP4-12C 1:16.20 (600hp

LexSucks: What official racing was held at top gear's 'racing' track?

How about using Nurburgring for example? Veyron's best laptime is 7:40, which means its ass got kicked by so many others. How's that?

"I like how you place the Veyron above the Aventador even though its time is slower :)"

- Its the Veyron Super Sport that's ahead. The regular Veyron is behind the Lambo. Those times are legit.

"LexSucks: What official racing was held at top gear's 'racing' track?

How about using Nurburgring for example? Veyron's best laptime is 7:40, which means its ass got kicked by so many others. How's that?"

- Now you're moving the goal-posts. Which is what I knew that you would do. You asked me; "And which car's butt did it kick on racetrack?". I provided examples. And now now your bringing up "racing track"? As long as its a "track with turns". Then comparative times can be made between the vehicles. Was the Lexus actually racing when it did that time? Then what difference does it make? The differences between the two tracks? Again, You moved the goal-posts.

The Veyron isn't the best car around the ring, its also far from the dog that you are suggesting that they are around a race track.

The Aventador posted a faster time then the Bugatti Veyron Super Sport, I wasn't talking about the regular Veyron. You listed it under the Veyron Super Sport, it's the only car in that list that isn't sorted according to which time is the fastest.

Further, why are you trying to avoid ring times? That is an environment where the Veyron's extreme straight line prowess is highlighted due to cars reaching higher speeds on it then most other tracks.

"The Aventador posted a faster time then the Bugatti Veyron Super Sport, I wasn't talking about the regular Veyron. You listed it under the Veyron Super Sport, it's the only car in that list that isn't sorted according to which time is the fastest."

- I cut and pasted it from top gear's website. Link below. They also have it in that messed up order. Cant blame that one on me :)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/show/powerlaps.shtml


"Further, why are you trying to avoid ring times? That is an environment where the Veyron's extreme straight line prowess is highlighted due to cars reaching higher speeds on it then most other tracks."

- But the ring also has tons of long fast turns. It's those long high-speed turns where the Veyrons weight destroys its cornering speeds, making it drift wide. I'd also bet that the Veyron's brakes also turn to mush because of that weight (and the long lap of the ring). The heavy weight also negatively effects tons of other things as well. The ring is about the only place where the Veyron gets exposed like that. The Veyron's Horsepower cannot defeat the laws of physics.

I wasn't trying to avoid the Veyrons ring time. Am I disappointed with those times? Yes. But did they take a Super Sport around the ring yet?

You're a strange one lexsucks, you admit to the Veyron's flaws yet the price tag doesn't deter you, yet the smaller price tag on the LFA and the arguably fewer (performance) flaws in the LFA will deter you.

The Veyron and the LFA are very comparable machines in this argument, though there technical specs don't align both sell due to their limited production numbers, both are overpriced, both offer a debatably "luxury" treatment, and both are in my opinion over hyped. I guess I'm still lost in how you can defend the more overpriced one.

"I guess I'm still lost in how you can defend the more overpriced one."

- 250+ MPH

The SSC is a 250+mph car that has tremendous grip in corners. What are your opinions on it?

Ohh wait, you already answered that. You're a strange one.

"The SSC is a 250+mph car that has tremendous grip in corners. What are your opinions on it?"

- The SSC is crude and crass. Plus it almost killed the Stig. Next!!!

Ohh wait, you already answered that. You're a strange one.

- Nah Dude… Right now? That would be you. I’m OK with the Bugatti Veyron costing a Millions Dollars. I’m NOT OK with a Toyota costing over $400,000. Especially when they’re cars that perform better, have a better name, and cost less.

It’s that last sentence that you can’t seem to be able to digest. That doesn’t have anything to do with me being strange. It’s you.

In an attempt to discredit my cost justification of the Veyron over other vehicles, you compared crude less expensive vehicles to the Veyron based 100% on performance, and completely dismissed the luxury advantage that the Veyron has over those cars. Hate to break it to you buddy, but the Veyron’s fit and finish is light years ahead of those cars. It really doesn’t matter if you chose to acknowledge that fact or not. And it isn’t only luxury why I like the Veyron over the "Top–Gear TV show helped develop" SSC Aero. I like the AWD system (Aero doesn’t have that); I like the Twin-Clutch Transmission.

There’s more but what’s the use? All you’ll do is bring up other vehicles that have those features without realizing that they lack in other areas when compared to the Veyron. Kind of like what you did with the SSC.

The Veyron isn’t my dream car though. I like the Lamborghini Aventador much more. Crazy enough the Lambo costs less than the LF-A? Go figure.

So lexsucks, when you can't back up a cars interior as being luxury since it has a lack of options, and the overall design is unappealing, the only other method to determine its luxury value is its "fit and finish"? Oh dear, it sounds like you ran out of points to argue that it is luxury. Fit and finish is one of those arguments you post because it is so hard to prove it is true or not true.

Apparently your veyron supersport got demolished :) Koenigsegg Agera R

0-300kmh: 14.53 seconds
0-200mph: 17.68 seconds
300-0kmh: 6.66 seconds
200-0mph: 7.28 seconds
0-300-0kmh: 21.19 seconds
0-200-0mph: 24.96 seconds

"So lexsucks, when you can't back up a cars interior as being luxury since it has a lack of options, and the overall design is unappealing, the only other method to determine its luxury value is its "fit and finish"? Oh dear, it sounds like you ran out of points to argue that it is luxury. Fit and finish is one of those arguments you post because it is so hard to prove it is true or not true."

- The Veyron is listed as a Luxury car. The only place where it isn't is in your head.

Here’s what motor trend had to say about the Veyron’s interior:

"The cabin is awash in beautiful looking/feeling/smelling materials. All the stuff that seems like satin-finished aluminum really is, and the only no-cost option is a choice of "comfort" or "sport" seats; we prefer the latter. If there's a downer, it's visibility. There's a blind spot on the right side, and the left-side mirror placement isn't ideal, either. The nav screen is embedded in the rearview mirror--good for line of sight--but it's way small. And the front trunk is shoebox-size, but it is enough to hold your companion's cocktail dress and a bottle of Cristal.

Bugatti has delivered on every one of the Veyron's considerable promises. It meets the criteria set forth by Chairman Piech when it was announced and does so with aplomb. Luxurious, elegant, imposing, exclusive, crazy expensive, and mind-bendingly fast, the Veyron sets a new high watermark for grand-touring transport.”

But Joe_limon says that this isn’t a Luxury car. LOL!!!

"Hard to prove"?

"The interior of the veyron is not luxury, it contains virtually no luxury amenities" - Joe_Limon

Veyron's luxury features:

Seats:
Heated passenger seat
Heated driver seat
Height adjustable driver seat
Height adjustable passenger seat
Premium leather
Sport front seats

Power Features:
Remote power door locks
Power mirrors

Convenience:
Cargo net
Speed-proportional power steering
Tilt-adjustable steering wheel
Transmission controls on steering wheel

Comfort:
Climate control
Alloy and leather trim on center console
Alloy and leather trim on dash
Alloy and leather trim on doors
Front reading lights
Alloy and leather trim on shift knob
Leather and alloy steering wheel
Front floor mats
Turn signal in mirrors

Instrumentation:
Clock
Tachometer
Trip computer
External temperature display
Low fuel level warning
Compass

In Car Entertainment:
Burmester premium brand stereo system
Burmester premium brand speakers
8 total speakers
400 watts stereo output
AM/FM in-dash single CD player,CD-controller stereo

Telematics:
Memory card based display w/voice directions navigation system
Bluetooth wireless data link for hands-free phone

"contains virtually no luxury amenities"? Funny.

Watch Joe_Limon say that he was referring to the Super_Sport as not having any luxury features. Either way it isn't looking good for Joe_Limon and his weak argument of non-facts.

Correction: It was actually the Konigsegg that almost killed the stig. Not the SSC Aero.

"So lexsucks, when you can't back up a cars interior as being luxury since it has a lack of options," - Joe_Limon

I hate to pile it on but technically you are correct on this one. The only option that the veyron has in the NAV. All of the other LUXURY features are standard.

So tell me Joe? Do you still think that the veyron lacks any luxury features? Or are you going to continue to talk out the side of your neck?

Should have said "the only option that the veyron has is the NAV". sry :)

lmao, Lexsucks, those aren't luxury features.

Your long list of "features" is made up of things like a low fuel warning, adjustable seats, and a clock. lol economy cars have most of the things in your list, and there are many cars (such as the corvette) with leather/etc trim that aren't considered to be luxury.

So what is it missing that would make it a luxury car?

And your statement of "contains virtually no luxury amenities" has been proven to be BS. Do you still think that the Veyron "contains virtually no luxury amenities"? And if so what would it need in order to be considered a luxury car?

Even though every magazine, reviewer, and the manufacturer itself calls the Veyron a Grand Tourer (which is a version of a luxury car) you seem to think that it isn’t. Joe, right now you're living on your own planet. LOL!!

Here are some features that luxury cars have.

Heads Up Display
Touch Screen Media Center/Nav Screens (Not silly applications that require laptops to function/control)
Sonar/Infrared Collision Detection Systems
>8 Speaker sound system (Chevrolet Cruze has 9 lol)
Headlights that Pivot to the corner
Rain sensing windshield wiper blades
mini bars
separate passenger climate control
self parking
massaging seats
cooling seats (in addition to heated)

not... "clock" lol

Here are another few things to add

remote car starters
mobile wireless hotspots
power assist doors
seat position memory
heated steering wheels

Not to go on about this forever, but the list that you created neither makes or breaks a luxury car. The only "true" luxury feature that the veyron lacks are power seats.

Notice the exact time has yet to be announced.The ZR1 costs way way less and is so close in time.Also it can run these times all day long.The LFA probably has to be babied like the GTR to get this number which is not official yet.

The 7:14 time is over 8 seconds faster than the last time they took the car to the track. What did they do to make it 8 seconds faster? I call shenanigans.

@ - Fijian

The Corvette ZR-1 is a beast no doubt, but it also has 75 more hp and produces over 250 lb-ft torque more than the LFA! Now are we done whining and making excuses yet?

Oh here is the article

http://www.chevroletinthenews.com/chevy-corvette-bests-lap-time-nurburgring/

For those who can afford one THIS IS IT.... for the rest there's Porsche and the rest.......

For the rest of folks who aren't delusional Lexus fans, plenty of other choices still remain.

7.22 was warm up lap time.
29/30 aug was Lexus/toyota track day event and record lap was planned that time.

And the 7:14 is also truth, CarreraGT.

"I'd take an Aventador and about a dozen other cars over the LF-A (all cheaper)"

Aventador is not cheaper than LFA, it costs more than USD 400,000.

BTW Congrats Lexus. That laptime is amazing.

No. It doesn't cost more that $400k. The Aventador lists for $379,700. Which is cheaper than the LF-A Nurburgring edition.

yes it is, the LF-A Nurburgring edition costs more than the "regular" $375k LF-A. I believe it starts at $445k, though I don't care enough about the LF-A to look it up. Personally I don't care which car laps The Ring the fastest, since every car in the segment is going to be ridiculously fast, and much faster than I'd ever be able to drive it. For that money I want speed AND cachet. I want something that LOOKS like it cost Ferrari/Lamborghini/Aston money. Like a Ferrari or Lamborghini or Aston. The badge on the hood matters at that price, and for my $375-445k I want a car that doesn't look like a 1992 Supra with a bodykit. I want a car that doesn't share a badge with a CT200h. But that's me. To each his/her own, and congrats Lexus for (maybe) setting the time to beat at The Ring (unofficially).

I get deboosted for stating facts? Lexus fans are the worst.

Nice try, but your examples are flawed. Smart's are their own brand, and you could buy four (FOUR!) R8's for the price of one LF-A Nurburgring Edition. For that kind of money, yes, I expect a car to be "more special" than your average run of the mill CT200h. BMW could make a $400k 7-Series, but it would never sell... so they build $400k Rolls Royces. Because they're "more special". Lamborghini and Ferrari are "more special". A Lexus, no matter how good it may be, is not special enough to be $445k.

This is the only car Lexus makes that isn't total utter crap.

"This is the only car Lexus makes that isn't total utter crap". Uh, "Lexus" does not make cars and never has. Toyota does and it is fact.

This shows you don't necessarily goes to MR for supercar. A well-balanced FR can be as fast at cornering while safer at the same time. Also, that 9000 rpm redline helps the grearing and making every bit of wheel torque usable.

Technically. But if you factor in the location of engine to drive wheel, then there's still a big difference on moment of inertia.

Congratulation Lexus that is a very Impressive time. Unreal....... I guess this will shut up some badge whore who said Toyota or Lexus can't create a Super Sports Car. How this for a Super Sports Car for you.

Still no video? Still no "Official' time?

That 7:14 time is pure propaganda.

Big Dummy (queue the 'Sanford and Son' sound track) we just want to see the video to confirm and be able to enjoy it, if it actually happened.
It would confirm the potential, even if it is a 'one off' car.

Porsche is not happy @ this.....

Porsche holds the overall lap record at the ring. When Lexus beats that, then I think that they will be worried. I don't think that a car, in which only 500 of them will be sold worries Porsche. Not sure why you do?

I thought radical held lap times number 1 and 2

The Radical is number 1 and 2 for production cars.