Compare For Yourself And See How The LFA Was Beaten By A Viper Around Nürburgring!

looks like the driver in the Viper had more fun. Both impressive. But really, is the ACR REALLY a street car? not saying it's not sold as a street legal car but c'mon, thing's a monster, a race ready machine. Congrats to both!

The LFA is like having a pet Tibetan Mastiff whereas owning the Viper would be like having a pet Lion!! What a monster.

Agent 009 posed the question about if the Viper was better because of "...just raw power and finesse..". I would leave it at just raw power. Can't imagine driving one on the street. I would probably do a 180 trying to pull out of the dealership.

Rumor has it that 2013 Nissan GT-R could get power increase to 570 hp, which means it could get really close to these 2.

Can you provide a link where I said only? I believe I said it was the best method available and even asked you to provide a better one which you still haven't. 1911 believes that the LFA exhausts fairy dust that makes flowers smile. Further, 1911 believes that the LFA will ace any emissions requirement placed in front of it :)

A high strung engine like the LF-A is quite a bit harder to make emissions legal than a huge hunk of iron that is not near as high strung. All of that torque makes it able to cruise at 70 mph at barely above idle. If the viper were geared like the LF-A is it would have worse emissions and probably top out at a rev limited 160-170 mph. high strung high revving engines are geared far lower than big torque monsters that is why the Vette and Viper get better fuel economy than any italian of German supercar save for Porsche. They have tall gears ( The Vette can get to 60 in first gear) and the torque compensates. The Vipers truck based engine is a torque monster pure and simple and thats their formula to winning.

I gave you the raw carbon output of both vehicles. And stated numerous times that the regulated emissions are proportional to the raw carbon output.

Have you found any links stating otherwise? Or better yet, a link stating that the viper doesn't satisfy current emissions standards?

Give it up Joe. 1911 thinks that his word is the Gospel.

How many times have I asked you to provide me with a quote of me saying anything about 34% fewer regulated emissions? I bet it's over 3 now. The reason why you haven't is because I never said it. I will not stand behind a point you made up, and tried forcing into my mouth.

The closest I have ever come to saying that, is by stating that emissions will be proportional.

Since you made up that point, why don't you go out and do the research? Is it because you don't want to prove yourself wrong? Or that I was very close in my assumption that all emissions will be proportional?

1911 still believes the LFA creates fewer emissions :) lol

1911, I know you realize that the 34% was for overall vehicle emissions (if you don't god help your parents in raising an invalid). Whenever you are confronted with this fact you try to weasel your way out saying stuff about the small fraction of what you call "regulated emissions". I consider "emissions" to be any and all material exhausting from a vehicles tailpipe, including Nitrogen, water vapour, and carbon dioxide. As these are the three main components of emissions. Only with sensitive testing equipment can you actually measure any of your "regulated emissions" this isn't to say they are good or should be ignored. This is saying that "emissions" is different then "regulated emissions"

ohoo, look who's getting defensive. This isn't the first time you've resorted to cussing when you've been proven wrong. Spin it how you like, I've never argued about the regulated emissions because I never had any data to back me up. You however like to argue about it because there is no data to back you up or prove you wrong! lol it's obvious why you keep spinning it. You can't win otherwise :)

Arguing with you is like arguing with a religious person about god and science, you state some things that help quantify and qualify what makes science dependable, then the religious person goes on a tangent asking you to prove that god isn't real with science.

Regardless, at the end of the day, I'm the one laughing and you're the one cussing! haha I think that finally qualifies as a win. :D

At least he doesn't have 8+ multiple Autospies accounts. Angryinch1, Why do you have so many logins?

That was is not street legal

Mad dog 20/20 or Thunderbird will get you drunk faster that an expensive bottle of champagne that doesn't make it a better wine than the expensive one. While the average wino will be just fine with drinking Mad Dog, Thunderbird or Richards Wild Irish Rose, they are not going to work for a Wine connoisseur or a person that has standards when it comes to the taste of wine. The LF-A is that expensive wine. While The Viper would be the cheaper wine. I wouldn't quite put it down there with Thunderbird and the likes but it is a more affordable buzz. I do Have to agree with you though bill on one thing, the Challenger is far sportier than anything Toyota makes now which is sad because the challenger is fat and heavy pig. I have driven one, and it drives like a heavy sedan, not very sporty at all unless you drive the SRT 8. That tells you just how Bland Toyota is right now.

Wrong board. Disregard the Toyota part.

Touche BSBB +1 but I'd rather a Guinness or a a Sam Adams over a nasty cheap Budweiser any day. And beer has nothing to do with a mixed drink.
You could Say Sam Adams is the LF-A and Old English 800 is the viper. It gets you drunk slightly quicker and is cheaper and far less refined, with far less quality ingredients but it gets the job done and nothing else.

Which of your german cars use torque sensors to linearize throttle position? 50% throttle in a viper means 50% torque :)

Blazinboy

I have to admit i almost exhaled my cereal when i read your comment, that was funny.

Joe...

Are you really going to try and compare American Engines to German Ones ?

Sure, most people hate on the vipers hp/liter ratio which really doesn't tell you much about the engine. How about we compare a different ratio which will tell the vipers relative power to fuel economy? I'm thinking kW/(l/100km) the more power the vehicle has the larger the number, and the better the fuel economy the car has the bigger the number.

Viper=41.8
911 Turbo S=40.3
SLS AMG=35.7
BMW M5=33.7
V10 R8=31.6

1911, can you tell me what advantages a high hp/liter ratio provides a car with? I can tell you what the advantages of this made up ratio are, the higher the number, the more power a vehicle is capable of getting for every liter of fuel they burn. This basically tells you how efficient an engine is.

Nope, but I sure can prove to you that the lfa emits 34% more emissions.

I didn't say regulated emissions :) I said emissions.

hahahahaha I even declined your offer and proposed my own. boy you do try hard to spin it. checkmate little buddy.

I've proved that the LFA has 34% more raw emissions then the Viper. You have yet to acknowledge this fact. All you can do is try to spin the argument into something it never was. By making the argument about something that is almost impossible to prove you attempt to discredit my initial argument. Yet you don't seem to realize that your arguement including EPA emissions is also discrediting your argument as you haven't provided a shred of evidence to support your hypothesis. To avoid being discredited in such a way you claim to have no such hypothesis. In the end, you simply made up an argument for me and repeatedly tried to make me support it so you can be correct. I believe that's called trolling is it not? You claim to have no opinion and are constantly trashing me dropping f-bombs. Whenever I start bringing up posts like this you immediately go into hyper attack mode and start calling me a troll! Even though I'm the one with a solid proven opinion that even you aren't denying.

lol another point me :) do you want me to continue analyzing your weak responses? or are you just going to continue saying I'm deflecting the subject at hand and insist that I'm claiming something I'm not?

The viper was a track car and was prepped. The LFA even had the tires that they sell that version with off the showroom floor.

the viper is using tires it comes with, Michellin Sport Cup which are semi-slicks, essentially the same tires on an M3 CSL and the LFA was using bridgestone potenza that are much better than your regular road going tire but still more suited for the street. Had the LFA been using the same tires, it may have beat the viper...LFA also had a rollcage which helps with rigidity....in the end i'd say they're pretty similar in terms of performance, both great cars, one is track focused the other is great all around, both winners here I'd say

Did'nt the viper ran on super-slicks while the LFA did it on modified potenza street tires?
that could mean a difference of atleast 4 seconds

I think both the Viper and LFA are fantastic cars, but both intended for different types of individuals, the LFA is more of a '' tech wunderkind '' supercar, the viper a more brutal and basic affair.

I disagree with allot of you on the price difference being directly correlated to the performance of a vehicule, I remember how some here were lauding and openly applauding cars like the Pagani Zonda which costs over 850 000 pounds and doesn't have the 1000 Hp of the Veyron for the same price. Different pokes for different blokes !

I'm awaiting like allot of you information on if this car would have been street legal like the LFA, if it is, it sure raises the bar !

"tech wunderkind" supercar with an outdated trasmission, and turn of the century styling. Nice!

I disagree with you Lexsucks, I think the reviewer from fifth gear said it best in regards to the LFA's transmission

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-3PBD1aXD8

I saw a video were the reviewer said that the LF-A's transmission felt like a Ferrari transmission from 10 years ago.

Its people like you why I took on the "LexSucks" persona. You are beyond a fanboy. And if you didn't know, the LF-A is also irrelevant. Especially after it got beaten by a crude Viper.

"Viper gets backburnered as sales rapidly decreased year over year"

- Yet they still sell more Vipers than LF-A's.

And the Patriots Suck!!!

"And my team has more rings over the last decade than yours...FACT. Christ, my town has celebrated more championships over the last decade than any other city." — PatriotNation

- Over the last decade? Is that how far you have to go back to make the cheating patriots seem like a winner? LOL!! The patriots haven’t won a championship in the last 7 years. That's a more realistic picture. They got caught cheating and haven’t won a super bowl since FACT. 5 years ago was the last time the patriots even made it to the Super-Bowl. Remember "19 and No"?

The NY giants kicked their ass (and are now also more recent champs than the patriots). And who kicked their ass last year and knocked them out of the playoffs? The NY Jets. But hey, the patriots won championships 7 plus years ago, so that makes them and your town tops? What a joke.

These ignorrant comments are hilarious.....so let me get this right a Dodge Viper ACR is an unfair comparison to a special edition LFA that was retuned "specifically" for this track??? A car that mags have stated is clearly more track focused than the regular LFA that is no different than the ACR. In fact to you lame fanboys that are crying foul play, the Viper ACR is no where near the transformation size the black series AMGs went through nor the CSL BMW cars, its mere upgrades and a rediculous spoiler same output....The Viper is pretty archaic but thats its appeal an expert driver could make the viper outrun alot of cars on a track, including the overengineered LFA.....bottomline.

The ACR Viper better be a street legal car, or I've been a baaaaddd boy!

Watching the video, this is a "legal" ACR as can be seen by the airbag, doorpanels and electric window switches. The non-legal ACR-X has none of the above, but uses headers, non-catalyst exhaust and a different computer tune. Everything else is "regular" ACR and Viper spec.