Two Ford Plants Reject UAW Contract Over Inadequate Salary Compensation

"...The numbers did not sit well for workers upset that Ford CEO Alan Mulally got $26.5 million in compensation LAST YEAR"


What "...Inadequate Salary Compensation??" I see no problem HERE!!!

Move on, WORKER BEES!!

The plant with 3200 people spends over six times that amount per year on benefits packages. Let alone every other plant out there...

Joe_Limon,

Its about principle dude. And right now the wage disparity in the U.S.A is higher than most countries. We fall in line with counties like Jamaica when it comes to the wage gap. That ford CEO wants to increase it more.

What's wrong? He's taking fractionally far far less then most small business owners do. Do you have a problem with small business owners making say... 30% profits?

He's a CEO, not a small business owner. You cannot equate the two. 30% for a small business owner isn't the same dollar amount as 30% for a major corporation.

Sounds like you want CEO's to make as much money as possible? Even more than the record level compensation that they are getting now.

I'm sure that CEO's are very glad to have normal folks like you fighting for them. CEO’s need normal people to fight for them so they can continue to take in more money than the CEO’s of any other country. Why do regular people, fight against other regular people, on the behalf of billionaires? Amazing!

It sounds like you want CEO's to make as little as possible, the closer they are to middle class the happier you will be.

Seriously, his salary made up less than half a percent of the companies profit (about 0.40% to be a little more exact). You keep spinning it and trying to make it sound like he is digging his greedy hands into the workers salaries to net his salary, when in reality your point is so trivial it is funny.

"It sounds like you want CEO's to make as little as possible, the closer they are to middle class the happier you will be."

- No. How about keeping in line with the rest of the planet? I'm sure that CEOs are thanking you for defending their over-the-top bonuses and compensation. Good work! I hope that you are a CEO, if not? I don't know what to say.

"You keep spinning it and trying to make it sound like he is digging his greedy hands into the workers salaries to net his salary, when in reality your point is so trivial it is funny."

- What part of the word principles don't you understand?

Rest of the planet? Please, most of these CEO's making fractions of a percent of revenue are leading international corporations. They are the rest of the planet! If you want to talk just about America, then you aren't aiming at these individuals, you're aiming at the small to medium sized business owner.

Principles? Do you honestly think that they are subtracting from the union salaries/benefits to solely fund CEO paycheques? Get real! Your argument is just as strong as me saying that the CEO paycheques are stealing from possible R&D, or upgrading of facilities, in fact with union contracts R&D and facility upgrades will get cut back before the worker will ever get punished.

When are you going to realize that corporations are not on your side?

CEO's pay has gone up like 1000% since the 1960's while workers salaries have gone down. That is a fact. What the hell are you protecting? It isn't workers. Are the CEO's paying you? LOL!!

I guess CEO's making more, and employees making less year-after-year makes for a perfect America for you? That isn't the perfect America for America. As evidenced by our crappy economy. And CEO's are just a small part. It’s the whole institution that is designed to fatten the pockets of some at the expense of the poor.

And it was all made possible by the govt letting corporations write the regulations. Get a clue dude. Our Gov’t is bought and paid for by the corporations. The USA is governed by corporations. We elect politicians thinking that they will do what the people want, but instead the politicians let the corporations do the governing.

America is on a downward slide. Doing the same crap that got us here (which is what I hear from you guys) isn’t going to get us out of it.

I have no problem with other people making more money then me. I do however have a problem with socialist policies and people that try to dictate how much I can potentially make for two reasons.

The first is that with salary limits comes a decreased need for entrepreneurs to take on additional risks. In other words, if you had a business with the chance of growing into a major international multicorp, why would you do it if it wasn't going to make you any more money? By restricting the salaries of these CEO's you will only kill new industry. Thus leading to an even greater outsourcing of jobs and reducing the amount of money flowing into the country.

Why aren't corporations on your side? Are you against bringing money into your country? Or are you against all the products and services they offer you?

oh yeah! Second, reason being that I do intend on owning my own company, due to the near 50% tax rate of Canadian companies I'm probably going to try starting it up in the states as long as their tax rate stays down and socialists like yourself don't gain any power.

“I have no problem with other people making more money then me. I do however have a problem with socialist policies and people that try to dictate how much I can potentially make for two reasons.” — Joe_Limon

- Not true. No one dictates how much you can potentially make. That’s why you see the ridiculously inflated salaries now.


“The first is that with salary limits comes a decreased need for entrepreneurs to take on additional risks. In other words, if you had a business with the chance of growing into a major international multicorp, why would you do it if it wasn't going to make you any more money? By restricting the salaries of these CEO's you will only kill new industry. Thus leading to an even greater outsourcing of jobs and reducing the amount of money flowing into the country.” — Joe_Limon

- That sounds like something straight out of FOX news. Funny how the Japanese CEO’s get along with a restricted salary (which could still fall into the 10’s of millions). How socialist of Japan. I don’t hear those CEOs complaining. I guess they don’t have to complain when they have guys like you fighting for limitless CEO's salaries.


“Why aren't corporations on your side? Are you against bringing money into your country? Or are you against all the products and services they offer you?” — Joe_Limon

- Tell that to the Gulf Coast cities during the BP oil disaster. Or tell that to the folks in PA whose drinking water has been destroyed by fracking (a process used to drill for natural gas). Tell that to the people who lived near a ford plant (in Ramapo NY/NJ. HBO did a show about it) where they dumped toxic waste. You only see one side of the story while ignoring the other side. Why is that? Why do you give corporations a pass when it comes to things like toxic waste, while at the same time being very vocal about CEO salaries? That is exactly how a corporate shill behaves.


“oh yeah! Second, reason being that I do intend on owning my own company, due to the near 50% tax rate of Canadian companies I'm probably going to try starting it up in the states as long as their tax rate stays down and socialists like yourself don't gain any power.” — Joe_Limon

- So that’s the reason. I fully understand now. That’s the oldest trick in the book. You are being used to protect and fight for the salaries of the super wealthy because of the thought that you might become super wealthy. When the reality isn’t such. Everyone doesn’t become wealthy. But what they’ve done is make you think that you will, so therefore you fight to make sure that the wealthy stay as wealthy as possible. You never know. That could be you making that CEO salary. But the reality is that there are millions of people that think like you do. And none of them are going to become wealthy; all they are doing is making sure that the rich stay as wealthy as possible because of that false belief. That is just one way that corporations trick poor (or average

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That is just one way that corporations trick poor (or average middle class) people into fighting for them.

I hope you realize that I never said super wealthy. Seven figures annually however is achievable, I've seen my own father do that within a decade.

I see you've given up hopes of ever being able to get yourself in a better fiscal situation. I understand now why you turn to socialist ideologies to help support yourself. You've given up at the rat race!

If you're against corporate America, do yourself a favour and cut yourself out of the system. You won't need to worry about money any more because you won't allow yourself to fund "evil" corporations.

How have I given up or even implied such? Falsehood dude. What’s funny is that just because I want the wealthy to contribute fairly, you somehow turn that into me wanting a free handout. How did the conversation even turn that direction? I’m baffled. Not surprised though. Your reaction is the typical corporate shill reaction. Which is what you are.

Joe Limon is one of the 99% that fights for the 1%. Without realizing that he's fighing against his own best interests. Corporate Shill anyone?

"But the reality is that there are millions of people that think like you do. And none of them are going to become wealthy"

You stated that no one with aspirations to do better will do better. This is how I determined you have no aspirations.

Regardless, you avoided commenting on your continual support of these corporations by purchasing their products and services. All you are doing is biting the hand that feeds you.

“You stated that no one with aspirations to do better will do better. This is how I determined you have no aspirations.”

- What? This is beyond comical. Dreams are one thing, reality is another. We will never be a wealthy as warren buffet, so therefore why should we support legislation that isn’t fair and is against our best interests? What? I should support rich people gutting the middle class because I might end up being wealthy? Dude, we are never going to be as rich as Warren Buffet, so why the hell should we support legislation that makes people like him richer at the expense of ourselves? Somehow you see that as me not having any aspirations. Funny.


“Regardless, you avoided commenting on your continual support of these corporations by purchasing their products and services. All you are doing is biting the hand that feeds you.”

- Biting the hand that feeds you? Who do you think feeds them? The workers that’s who. I’m on the side of the workers; you’re on the side of the billionaires. If you aren’t a corporate shill, then I don’t know what is. Avoiding? There's plenty of things that I said here that you avoided. Later

"Lex...You just gave yourself away as one of the "Occupy Wall Street" folks. You just added one more point to your socialism-advocacy mindset."

- Question? How are the Wall St protests different from the Tea Party protests from last year?

- And what’s wrong with the occupy Wall st protestors? You need to stop watching fox news. Just because you are blind to the fact that Wall st is gutting the middle class, by having lawmakers create legislation that takes money away from the middle class, don’t expect everyone else to be that dense. I'm glad I'm not like you. I can see the injustices going on in Wall St. So can do the protestors and anyone else with a brain. But for some reason (fox news) you cant. Get a clue.

They forget if it wasn't for him they could have learning to speak Italian....

“Bill...Lex likes to talk about "principles". So, the principle that I put forth is that you "earn" what you get. You do not "deserve" anything - that speaks of an entitlement mindset. So, when UAW workers show me that they have "earned" more than what they are currently getting, then I will support them.”

- Who’s talking about entitlements? What entitlements are you talking about? Or do you just like the way the word sounds?


“(Most) C-suite executives have earned what they get by obtaining a post-high school education, gaining practical and progressive work experience, and paying their dues without whining. Most of them achieve their rank based on their merits (although Lex believes Herman Cain was handed his wealth on a silver platter). CEOs (at least at public companies) are granted their salaries and benefits by the board or directors, based on the value the Board perceives that CEO has to the firm. Public company CEOs don't dictate their own salaries (although they may offer some influence).”

- Still protecting millionaires I see. LOL!! What about the workers? Are they not important?


“It's obvious that it's those people (e.g., Lex) who are unable to attain a respectable and lucrative profession that are complaining, with a bit of envy, about those who had the ambition and initiative to succeed in life and were successful in their efforts.”

- This is where you go off the reservation. Just because I don’t agree with you, doesn’t mean that I don’t have a job that’s better than yours. And judging by the way act as a corporate puppet, you don’t have enough independent thought to become wealthy. FWIW I’m a partner of a fortune 500 company (that means I get stock) I’m a mid-level manager. But you think that just because I’m not a corporate shill like you, then I must mean I’m on welfare. LOL!!!

You are just like Joe. You are a part of the 99% that goes to bat for the top 1%. Corporate shills.

Lexsucks, your mindset is that workers are entitled to more than what they are currently getting. Your continual idea that these CEO's are raping the working class is hysterical! Lets say Alan Mulally gave up his entire pay check and distributed it equally among everyone who works at Ford. Every year each person would get a $93.64 bonus lol, this is less than 1/7th of the annual union fees!

Now tell me again who is ripping off the working class? I'd say the Union is costing the workers more than the CEO!

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