Huh? Scion Ranked As The Most Reliable As Porsche Falls To The BOTTOM

unfortunately allot of people would rather die in a Jaguar X-Wagon diesel than drive a Toyota branded product.

Not cool enough. It's better to burn out than to fade away

yeah...that extra 1/2 a problem per year will definitely result in death.

It is funny how you can have three different studies and all three will have substantially different verdicts.

true !

Hey GT:

http://ca.autoblog.com/2011/10/27/the-ghosts-of-recall-past/#continued


Funny, but while it may seem patriotic to deride Toyota for it's recent sticky-pedal woes, the real recall records were made in America. Anthony Jackson lists them

1. Ford 2008/2009 14.1 Million, Cruise Control Switch

Unfortunately, the flame-on Ford was not the biggest/worstest recall the company has faced. Every Ford, Mercury and Lincoln truck, car and SUV fitted with cruise control and sold between 1993-2004 was flawed. Specifically, they each contained a faulty electrical component with the potential to catch fire.

The recall originally only applied to 9.6 million models but was later expanded to encompass an additional five million vehicles, 14.1 million all together. To put that in perspective, that's twice that of the second biggest recall (also a Ford fiasco) and thrice as big a recall as Toyota's sticky gas pedal problem.

What made this one so sweeping was the fact that the problem could affect each car even after the owner had shut it down and walked away.

In an odd, Rube Goldberg sort of way, an innocuous, $20 switch designed to deactivate the cruise control when brakes were applied was located near the master cylinder. Were the master cylinder to leak - which can happen to any odd components afflicted with common corrosion - it would drip flammable brake fluid onto an always-live electrical switch resulting in a fire that could and often did engulf the entire vehicle.

The oddest thing about this recall is that it has received considerably less attention than Toyota's incidents even though it initially occurred around the same time - and is, in fact, ongoing. It is claimed that there are many Ford customers remain unaware of the recall simply because it covers so many vehicles over such a long time span (1993 - 2004).


With a nod to the conspiracy theorist, one can't help but note that stopping a pedal-stuck Toyota is simply a matter of pushing the brake pedal. A really hard push, maybe, but the thing would stop. But stopping a Ford from burning itself up and the garage while its at it? Well, not so easy.

You got to baby the Japanese cars and they have more overall maintenance.For example the timing belt,water pump,cam seals,crank seals have to be replace at 60k or 90k while most American cars do not have this system.

there is no timing belt in Toyotas since 2009s I think

Most Toyota's haven't had a timing belt since 06. Only things with timing belts are V8s.

This data is laughable. The challenge that you have here is that consumer reported data gets feedback on static elements that have been developed over time by antiquated survey instruments like Consumer Reports for consistency over time. Ford scores were lower for their high tech application of MyFord Touch, which is clearly a leadership technology relative to other competitive vehicles - fully integrated touch screen that is intuitive to use once you are used to it. Same w/ Porsche. The interior layout of the vehicles has completely changed for the Cayenne/ Panamera - it is not the same as it used to be. The reality is that change diminishes scores - not the quality. If consumers don;t use it right it counts as unreliable. Terrible.

Everybody plays by the same rules.....You can't say that the results are invalid b/c Ford went down when the same study showed them making gains before.

Whether you like Scion or not, the bottom line is that more than any magazine out there, Consumer Reports is a massive reference for people car shopping, I doubt allot of people who've got a CR membership would actually buy a Scion but you know ...

Good press is good press

Badgewhore, you write (and think) like an 8-year old.

Could not care less.

I would drive a 30y old Porsche before i drive any scion ever made.

Really ?

You think everyone is a Poor, MacDonalds eating Redneck like you ?

If i can afford to pay £700 a week to rent a 520d i can afford to bring a 30y old porsche to "As New" condition.

It's all about PRIORITIES, you have a need to buy a Six-Pack, i have a need to be in good vehicles.