Has The 2012 Cadillac SRX Come So Far That The Lexus RX Is Now Pointless?

Lets take a quick trip back in time to the 1960s and early 1970s. A time when a gallon of regular hovered just around the 30-40-cent mark and its primary additive was tetra-ethyl lead. It was a time where conservation and efficiency were afterthoughts and a man’s wealth was determined by the size of their automobile rather than how much chrome it had. Foreign nameplates were just beginning to trickle their way into the world’s largest automobile market at the time with very limited success.

Typically, if you were an individual of wealth in search for a luxury automobile, you would beeline it to America’s second oldest brand—the marque whose slogan has stuck history as the “Standard of the World.” Elvis had many and so did countless other individuals of equally, preeminent politicians and performers. And that’s because Cadillac was the undoubted buy word for pure luxury.

Even if you didn’t live to see this time, Cadillac’s reputation and corporate philosophy of producing cars with precision engineering and stylish luxury is indubitably embedded in history. Essentially, they were America’s Mercedes-Benz.

 

Joe_Limon - 11/22/2011 11:33:36 AM

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A cramped compact RX weighs 4652 pounds. WHY?

For reference, a 4wd Silverado weighs similar.

Joe_Limon - 11/22/2011 12:18:34 PM

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http://autos.yahoo.com/lexus/rx-hybrid/2012/450h-4x4/specifications.html

From the awd RX450h

You chose to compare a heavier awd trim level to a 2wd van, so why can't I compare your hybrid awd to a truck?

Joe_Limon - 11/22/2011 12:24:52 PM

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no? I'm saying your rx weighs as much as one! lol

TCLA - 11/22/2011 4:28:15 PM

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Where do you get your information?

SRX Mileage = 17/24
RX Mileage = 18/25

Stop trying to compare the RX POS Hybrid. Mileage, for all intents and purposes, is the same.

knowitall1985 - 11/22/2011 11:37:40 AM

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The RX slays the segment......

knowitall1985 - 11/22/2011 11:40:03 AM

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The RX will dominate just like the 3 series has done.

Joe_Limon - 11/22/2011 12:15:43 PM

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Huu, the SRX weighs only 4277lbs in fwd form, an awd RX-h weighs 4652lbs. My point being, 1911 decided to bring up the weight of the heaviest version of the SRX, so I decided to bring up the weight of the heaviest version of the RX. It's a fair comparison no?

Joe_Limon - 11/22/2011 12:41:07 PM

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I notice that you're trying to deflect from your original argument lol. Did you want to compare cupholders, sound systems, or ride height or some other feature that doesn't pertain to the initial points of your argument?

Anything as long as it shows the lexus in the bright light and helps hide your initial point?

Joe_Limon - 11/22/2011 12:53:04 PM

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Fine, I'll play your game of comparing features that aren't related to your original argument.

Loaded SRX/Loaded RX
Rearview cameras available/not available
Rear parking assist standard/available
Remote start standard/available
Panoramic roof standard/not available
Heated Driver Seat standard/available
Leather Seats standard/available
Seat Memory standard/available
Rear seat audio controls standard/not available
Nav system standard/available
Mirror memory standard/available
Adjustable pedals standard/not available
Rain sensing wiper standard/available
active suspension standard/not available
Front head room 39.7in/39.1in
Rear head room 38.4in/37.7in
Power 308hp/270hp
Torque 265lb-ft/248lb-ft

Joe_Limon - 11/22/2011 12:54:20 PM

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by loaded I mean top trim level :P

Joe_Limon - 11/22/2011 1:04:53 PM

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Have fun in your econo box that has fewer luxury amenities then a dodge grand caravan.

Joe_Limon - 11/22/2011 1:10:18 PM

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Fun game indeed, I think its funny how you were only able to come up with only 3 items. Lets see, 3 vs 13? hmmmmm... well 5 vs 15 if you include power torque fuel economy and your precious cargo room.

Joe_Limon - 11/22/2011 1:21:21 PM

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Is that all you can honestly do? I said the Lexus had those options available (if you hand lexus more money over the price of that trim level) whereas, if you buy the Caddy, you get those features included already.

Do you have a hard time understanding standard vs available as well?

Joe_Limon - 11/22/2011 1:36:06 PM

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That's funny, when I spec build the premium trim level of the SRX on the Caddy website I get a final quoted price of $49,660

When I build the equivalent RX (non-hybrid) I get a final quoted price of $52,195.83, if I cut out heated seats, remote start, and the onstar equivalent it's still $50,152

Joe_Limon - 11/22/2011 1:54:36 PM

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I can claim I made a mistake regarding the backup camera.

But can you claim you made a mistake thinking you could buy an equivalently spec'd hybrid rx for $2000 less than a top trim spec SRX? lol

Joe_Limon - 11/22/2011 2:15:45 PM

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I tried the comparator as well, but since the listed price in the comparator isn't the equivalently spec'd model the results were useless. Once you check off all of those "available" options on the Lexus website that the SRX has as standard you get an idea of what equivalently spec'd means.

Joe_Limon - 11/22/2011 12:31:50 PM

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Oh so now that you realized your precious RX has a heavier weight you look up a different spec to compare? lmao!

Joe_Limon - 11/22/2011 12:38:57 PM

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Yep, you continue pushing other facts even harder now that I'm bugging you about how your original point regarding the weight has proven the loaded Lexus weighs as much as a full sized 4x4 truck. Whereas the loaded SRX is comparable to your fwd minivan comparison. lol

Joe_Limon - 11/22/2011 1:07:41 PM

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1911, you have "continued" to introduce only two facts, storage capacity and fuel economy. I have a shed in my backyard that uses no fuel at all and has a lot more storage for far less. lol

Regardless, the only reason why you "continue" to introduce new facts is that you're unwilling to lose an argument which pertains to your initial statement.

Joe_Limon - 11/22/2011 1:29:14 PM

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fail. look at the time stamps

That message
Posted on 11/22/2011 1:07:41 PM

Your message with safety stuff
Posted on 11/22/2011 1:17:01 PM

10 full minutes after. bahahaha

Joe_Limon - 11/22/2011 1:46:46 PM

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Time stamps work well, your argument was that you had up until that point introduced a number of new points to the argument. When I pointed out you had only introduced two points thus far to divert attention from your original point. You posted a third point then basically said "nuh uh, i totally did 3 lolz"

you're mad that I caught you

TCLA - 11/22/2011 4:32:36 PM

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Why is no one checking actual facts? Your mileage claim is not relevant, and you can laugh all you want at the cadillas 17 city MPG, but the Lexus only gets 18 city MPG. The Lexus HYBRID gets 32 city MPG, but that's not really a fair comparison.

Cadillac = 17/24
Lexus = 18/25.

Care to argue more?

poot66 - 11/23/2011 1:10:51 PM

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Your entire argument is stupid. The RX is one of Lexus' hugest accomplishments, outselling the competition. I don't care if the Cadillac can drive on water and give back rubs it doesn't truly compete with the RX. Just like the IS doesn't truly compete with the 3 series. The bottom line is one sells way more than the other if anything the RX makes the SRX pointless.

irishmike - 11/22/2011 12:37:53 PM

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Never been in the Caddy, but after driving the RX, I didn't understand the success of it. Totally lacking in driving feel and like all Lexus cars, rather wuss-like.

Joe_Limon - 11/22/2011 1:14:57 PM

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wow, you're getting desperate. Pulling up old articles where I schooled you? Are you attempting to deflect your embarrassment by showing another argument where all you did was spin and twist?

Joe_Limon - 11/22/2011 1:27:35 PM

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lol you suck at making up facts. I want a link where I said emissions equipment is pointless.

Watch this I can make generalized statements about the article as well.

You basically were grumpy that the Viper has better fuel economy then the lesser powered smaller displacement LFA so you ranted on and on about how the Viper wouldn't be able to pass current emission laws since it was no longer in production. When I pointed out that the Lexus emits more emissions then the viper you got really embarrassed and tried to cover your ass by twisting and spinning the argument by trying to make me agree to "specific emissions" which data for these two vehicles remains unavailable and thus unprovable. Which would make all your claims impossible to prove/disprove.

As to the aerodynamics argument before, you somehow believe that forces can't be summed, or have a difficult time understanding the simplest of free body diagrams.

Joe_Limon - 11/22/2011 1:42:52 PM

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So you agree, that you don't understand free body diagrams or summing of forces?

Joe_Limon - 11/22/2011 2:01:04 PM

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May I ask if you even made it into a post secondary institution?

You assume engineering to be on par with theoretical physics. To be a good Engineer you must be able to understand the problem clearly enough that you can make assumptions that give you an answer that is close enough to what you require. If you require more precision in your answer you simply make fewer assumptions.

This said, yes, you can sum aerodynamic forces to a point to prove that the "driven" front wheels are going to get a net decline in traction as shown in that diagram.

Joe_Limon - 11/22/2011 2:40:30 PM

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You're right, if you have a hard time summing forces and understanding free body diagrams I'd hate to discuss boundary layers drag/vs down force curves and boundary pressures.

LexSucks - 11/22/2011 4:03:44 PM

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"And where is LexSUCKS?"

- I'm here. Joe seems to be handling you on his own. :)

TCLA - 11/22/2011 1:05:43 PM

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The Lexus RX has always been pointless, unless you're a frumpy chick with no taste.

Joe_Limon - 11/22/2011 1:38:21 PM

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too bad angryinch wasn't here, you'd have positive boosts with his several different accounts.

LexSucks - 11/22/2011 4:06:41 PM

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I'm here. No need to defend the SRX. But you seem to defend anything Lexus ad nauseum. LOL!!

PlanB - 11/22/2011 4:05:06 PM

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Theyre the number 1 and 2 best selling luxury CUVs, I think they're both good at what they do. Btw - Joe vs 1911 is awesome reading lol.

Monopoly - 11/22/2011 5:15:18 PM

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Agreed! One of the best car fight threads in the history of Autospies! LOL!

Hoorayforpeepee - 11/22/2011 5:59:54 PM

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Is the pissing contest over ? can we discuss cars now ?

Hoorayforpeepee - 11/22/2011 6:11:24 PM

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In conclusion to this feces throwing contest I think it's fair to say that a car usually has to earn it's stripes. The RX earned a reputation for dependability that took time to establish, the SRX will have to do the same and sales will naturally follow. The SRX starts at 35K vs 39K for the Lexus, that's a good start but like the Popular Mechanics article stated, GM still has a fair bit of work to do

TCLA - 11/22/2011 6:38:16 PM

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I'm still surprised no one questioned the MPG debate. The Lexus does NOT get 32 MPG, only the Hybrid, which is a $45k car.

Cadillac SRX = 17/24
Lexus RX = 18/25.
For all intents and purposes, exactly the same.

I'm sure if Cadillac made a hybrid SRX, you'd have a fair competition. Otherwise, you can only compare apples to apples. Comparing the gas mileage to a Cadillac SRX to a Lexus Hybrid is apples to oranges.

Designer1 - 11/22/2011 7:39:03 PM

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Absolutely NOT!!

Hoorayforpeepee - 11/22/2011 8:42:44 PM

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Anyone google other articles by Chris Chin ?

His conclusion after reviewing the CT200h, buy a 'much better built' Golf TDI and use the 6000$ to go on a family vacation.


I loled.

But I think I finally discovered Agent009's true identity

knowitall1985 - 11/23/2011 11:11:37 AM

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VW golf tdi is a noisy POS. The CT is better than the Audi......

knowitall1985 - 11/23/2011 1:55:18 PM

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RX is due a refresh in 2012 as a 2013 model. It will get the new spindle grill as well as a sport verision. It is a moving target for the whole industry. Catch it if you can.....NOT!!!!

LuvMyLexus - 11/23/2011 6:19:41 PM

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I have a 2011 RX350 and I test drove the Caddy SRX since the dealers were right next door to one another.

I will never have a UAW/Obama/GM in my driveway.

iamdabest1 - 11/24/2011 9:17:52 AM

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just for residual and quality of interior id take the rx over the Srx

Fijian - 11/24/2011 7:21:09 PM

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The Caddy kills the Lexus because of Onstar and XM (maybe Lexus leased it from GM) Real time traffic also comes from XM/Sirius.You might want to see its features Toyota/Lexus FANBOYS.

knowitall1985 - 11/28/2011 4:47:20 PM

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Lexus RX has safety connect and Lexus enform as well as realtime traffic. Another nutball who read a few car magazines.........

FromThePassengerSeat - 11/27/2011 4:03:39 PM

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Why would anyone get an SRX when in the same showroom there's the CTS wagon? It would be largely the same but with better handling. Same goes for BMW's X3/X1 and 3-series wagon, Audi's Q5 and A4 wagon, and Mercedes' M-class and E-class wagon. Crossovers stink unless you value visibility over handling, in which case you can't honestly call yourself a driving enthusiast.