Michigan Believes Lower Autoworker Wages Will Assist In A Rebound

Where in the article did they mention lower wages?

" I believe it's the laziness, complacency, and general lack of desire to improve oneself through honest effort that is plaguing those folks." — BSBB


- The most ignorant thing that I've read all month. I guess the "system" doesn't have anything to do with it? The mindset of some folks here defies belief.

blazinboy, if you attribute your "education" solely to the fact that German government paid for it, then you have as little drive/determination as the people you are putting down.

sorry, not you putting down, but others.

Lets all move to Germany abd get educated for free!

"True, just camp out and demand people working - GIVE you money" — 1911

If that's what you think that occupy is about then you are a fool (also a corporate shill without even realizing it). People like you are a big part of why america is going to crap. Educate yourself and stop watching FOX Noise.

LexSucks, you remind me of the people that were in my Universities student union. They lacked simple communication skills required to resolve issues between staff and students and were constantly picketing for menial issues that the bulk of the student populace didn't give a hoot about.

You think that the Occupy protestors are protesting "menial issues". WOW!!!!

Wage gap mean anything to you? Corporate welfare? Gov't controlled by the corporations? Guess you are all for that?

As long as it doesn't effect you directly its "menial". I get it now. Selfish american attitude.

Your country is going down the drain, and rather then supporting productive members of society, you choose to support most selfish of people. People who not only stopped being productive themselves, but decided it was necessary to infringe on the productivity of those with the motivation to make the country a better place.

You support social terrorism.

"Your country is going down the drain, and rather then supporting productive members of society, you choose to support most selfish of people."

- Most selfish? LOL! I think that title falls on the 1%. You nkow the people who bought out the politicains so they can have laws that favor them. Funny how none of that registers in your brain.


"People who not only stopped being productive themselves"

- I guess it was their fault that they got laid off? You act like being unemployed is always a voluntary act. Get a clue.


"but decided it was necessary to infringe on the productivity of those with the motivation to make the country a better place."

- I guess they're supposed to take it like a man and let the 1% and corporations screw them over?


"You support social terrorism."

- You support Corporate Greed, and Corporate Welfare. typical brain washed american.

"Lex....Most of the people involved in the "Occupy" fad do not even know what they are protesting!"


- So. The same can be said about the Tea Party fad. The Occupy movement has a message. Just like the Tea Party did. Well the Tea Party had a message before they got brainwashed into fighting against healthcare reform by the GOP. LOL!!

@Joe_Limon

Funny how didn't reply to this directly:

"Wage gap mean anything to you? Corporate welfare? Gov't controlled by the corporations? Guess you are all for that?"

In your world I guess this doesn't exist. It's only the poor people who you perceive as being messed up. Yet you don't question anything that corporations do. Typical Brain washed american, fighting against his neighbor for the benefit of the wealthy. Corporate Shill anyone?

"You act like being unemployed is always a voluntary act. Get a clue. "

Being unemployed and trying to diminish the other peoples productivity is a voluntary act, lol! Who on earth would hire someone if they knew they actively tried to be a drain on society?

"I guess they're supposed to take it like a man and let the 1% and corporations screw them over? "

Take it like a man, and understand that they were being paid too much for what they were worth. Only once they have that understanding do they get to make the choice of finding a lower paying job, or take the time and upgrade their skill sets. If they honestly are worth what they are asking they'll find another company gladly willing to meet their needs/wants/desires. You seem to think that a corporation has total control over ones life. This is not true, the vast majority of people change jobs multiple times throughout their life.

I admit to supporting capitalism and paying people what they are worth, and not a penny more. Since you never declined on the social terrorist comment I'll assume you agree with the idea.

I'm all for corporate welfare as opposed to conventional welfare. Better to provide people with jobs then to have them sit on their fat asses at home lol!

"I'm all for corporate welfare as opposed to conventional welfare. Better to provide people with jobs then to have them sit on their fat asses at home lol!"

- It’s because of corporate welfare why they don't have a job in the first place. The words downsizing and moving jobs abroad mean anything to you? Don’t answer that. You see things the way FOX news tells you to see them. Blame the poor. LOL!!

"Since you never declined on the social terrorist comment I'll assume you agree with the idea."

- You see the problem here? Just because I don't agree with you, you have to give me some sort of negative connotation label. LOL!!! Terrorist? Strong word. How am I destroying anything? If anything it’s the Bankers and Wall St that almost brought everything down. But according to you, it’s the folks who are saying things about it who are the Terrorists? Funny.

What’s even more pathetic is that you don’t think that Corporations/Bankers/Wall St have done anything wrong. Switch away from FOX news dude. That is exactly the way they want you to think. Its’ working.

So you believe increasing taxes on companies creates jobs?

How do these magical companies afford to hire more employees when they are giving more of it away to the government to support people sitting on their bums at home?

No, I simply asked if you supported it, it's not my problem if you took that as me directly calling you a terrorist. It would be akin to me asking you if you agreed with the al qaeda goals and motivations.

So giving Corporations money/tax breaks and pray to god they create jobs is far from the answer joe. We tried this with the bush tax cuts. Putting money directly in the peoples hands is the only way to get an economy going because they will use it and it will benefit the corporations as well and spurn jobs VS the Corporations just sitting on funds/breaks.

So the alternative is better? Driving companies overseas with high tax rates? Please explain how higher corporate tax rates benefits the working class.

Can you also explain how in a competitive market place, a corporation can sit back and take advantage of the same tax breaks their competitors get and stay competitive without utilizing the money to further their company?

Sure some owners may line their pockets with the tax incentives, but this practice is essentially the same as them increasing their prices relative to their competitors. If they can get away with it, good for them, their product is worth it.

The mass exit of companies going over seas to make more money (and a lesser quality product)is ironic to the fact that when the want to sell the same products back to Americans that they will take a loss in profit do to many Americans not having a job or working for less brought on buy this exit.

So upwards, you agree that the USA should try to encourage companies to continue producing in North America? How should they do this without providing incentives?

LexSuxs, Reading your comments it seems that you spend more time watching Fox news than anyone on this site. lol

Lexsucks is right.

So they decide to fight fire with fire and see if they can cause even greater losses? (to both the government via lost taxes, and to the corporation which these protestors hope to be hired by lol)

Joe_Limon are you being paid by the corporations? Corporations pay people to do what you are doing right now for free. LOL!!

LexSucks are you being paid by Toyota/Lexus's competitors to bash them? Corporations pay people to do what you are doing right now for free. LOL!!

yawn... your point is so weak...

How did Toyota/Lexus get into this conversation? LOL!!!

I'll stick to the subject.

You didn't address this: "Wage gap mean anything to you? Corporate welfare? Gov't controlled by the corporations? Guess you are all for that?"

I know why you didn't address it. Because those things don't mean anything to you. they've been brainwashed out of your psyche. Enjoy

I was using it as an example to show how weak your argument was.

I addressed one of those issues, I'll address the other two as well.

Wage gap=good, you don't pay a floor sweeper engineering salaries.
Govt Controlled by corporations=better than Govt controlled by stay at home moms and other interest groups like green peace

Let me guess, you believe floor sweepers should be making engineering salaries? And that special interest groups like green peace should be the ones regulating gas taxes?

And if you mean wage gap between the working class and management, that is also good. It provides incentive for people to start their own businesses so they can decrease the unemployment rate. Decreasing the unemployment rate by creating new companies or expanding existing companies also has an added effect of increasing the relative value of employees.

@Joe_Limon. Right now the wage gap is the largest its ever been and corporations run the Goverment. Guess what? The country is in the worse shape its ever been in since the depression. And your suggestion is to not change anything and continue doing what we're doing?

And I'm not talking about floor sweepers making engineers salaries. If that's what you think the wage gap is then you have a lot to learn. And your dillusion about every person creating thier own business is laughable.

lol, I never said anything about everyone creating their own business. That would eliminate the work force entirely and all businesses would be left without a work force. Say such a case existed, I would love to be a worker, I could get a job doing anything for any price that I demanded.

The issue your government is facing is not a taxation issue. It's a spending issue. Your government is trying to incorporate expensive welfare/healthcare measures after having back to back wars that for over a decade have taken over half of your national governments budget.

Cut back the military spending to 5% of your governments annual budget and your country will be back on its way to getting out of debt.

Corporations aren't evil. That's like saying rocks are evil because people trip and smash their faces on them.

I also suggest you re-read the post I made at 4:44:51, as it was dealing with the wage gap between employers and employees.