Are Premium Hybrids And Electrics The BIGGEST FAIL EVER In The Auto Business? The Numbers Say YES.

Are Premium Hybrids And Electrics The BIGGEST FAIL EVER In The Auto Business? The Numbers Say YES.
If you believe what most of the press, and the current administration with an agenda barrages us with, you might be inclined to think EVERYONE wants hybrids and electrics no matter what they cost. The REAL truth is being revealed in the numbers, ESPECIALLY in the premium space.

Everyone is picking on the Leaf and Volt but those rides are selling in DROVES compared to the premium offerings like the S400 hybrid, Infiniti M35h, BMW active hybrids, etc

It seems that the entire market revolves around the niche of urban cars and very price conscious buyers, and if you don’t fall into those economics you are doomed to fail. The manufacturers continue to push these $40k+ rides as the future while the biggest potential market being unserved is the sub $16k market.

The ONLY Hybrid or Electric that the world is somewhat clamoring for is one that doesn't exist yet. Where is the demand? It is the Prius style car for UNDER $16k

If you build that, then the traction may finally start to occur although it has been clear for a long time that the ONLY place these specialty vehicles will serve is in Urban markets, and only to the most price conscious customers that exist.

Take a look at the hard numbers for 2011 and see what we mean.  If these were simply a normal addition to the lineup most would have been cancelled in a long time ago.  However you can’t drop a halo car, and to many of the automakers this is a market you will never make money in, but can’t be without.

Certainly you can argue that hybrid sales numbers are down because of the shortages from Japan.  But there is no way even without the natural disasters they could have made up enough ground to be anything but a novelty.

Read the numbers and weep!

 
U.S. hybrid sales for December 2011      
       
Model Dec-11 CYTD
 
vs. CYTD 2010
Altima 34 3,236 -51.80%
BMW Hybrid 7 51 338 234.70%
BMW X6 3 43 -82.70%
Buick LaCrosse 982 1,801 n/a
Buick Regal 86 123 n/a
Cad. Escalade 79 819 -32.30%
Chevy Malibu Hybrid 0 24 -94.00%
Chevy Silverado 195 1,001 -46.50%
Chevy Tahoe 40 519 -63.60%
Ford Escape 1,080 10,089 -9.80%
Ford Fusion 888 11,286 -45.80%
GMC Sierra 10 164 -68.60%
GMC Yukon Hybrid 49 598 -51.00%
Honda Civic 565 4,703 -35.90%
Honda CR-Z 564 11,330 115.90%
Honda Insight 690 15,549 -25.80%
Hyundai Sonata 1,907 19,673 n/a
Infiniti M35h 54 378 n/a
Lexus CT 200h 2,259 14,381 n/a
Lexus GS450h 33 282 -7.50%
Lexus HS 250h 274 2,864 -73.10%
Lexus LS600hL 9 84 -34.90%
Lexus RX400/450h 1,233 10,723 -29.00%
Linc. MKZ Hybrid 434 5,739 381.50%
Mazda Tribute 36 484 -26.10%
Mercedes ML450 0 1 -99.90%
Mercedes S400HV 37 309 -67.60%
Porsche Cayenne 89 1,571 356.70%
Porsche Panamera S 26 52 n/a
Toy. Highlander 563 4,549 -39.00%
Toyota Camry 1,797 9,241 -36.60%
Toyota Prius 17,004 136,463 -3.20%
VW Touareg Hybrid 29 390 1757.10%
All hybrids 31,100 268,807 -2.20%
       
       
U.S. plug-in electric sales for December 2011      
       
Model Dec-11 CYTD vs. CYTD 2010
Chevrolet Volt 1,529 7,671 2253.10%
Nissan LEAF 954 9,674 50815.80%
Smart ED 182 388 12833.30%
Mitsubishi i  76 80 n/a
All plug-in cars 2,741 17,813 n/a

Source: Hybridcars.com


Agent009Agent009 - 1/23/2012 3:51:25 PM
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Touche'

But I can say I tried, and validated the point that anyone can get good mileage by driving right and hybrids are no less sensitive to it. Also higher overall speeds are also a diminishing factor. Agent001 gets better mileage but probably sits in traffic more often and travels around town at a lower overall speed.

So until the next major advance in technology Hybrids in my house are off the list.


I95SPEEDINGTICKETSI95SPEEDINGTICKETS - 1/23/2012 9:16:39 PM
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009
+1 for at least admitting that you initially got it wrong


Agent009Agent009 - 1/23/2012 3:56:59 PM
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GovtMtrs08 - Banned for comments


Joe_LimonJoe_Limon - 1/23/2012 3:59:34 PM
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ty


BabyBaby - 1/26/2012 4:02:37 PM
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Angryinch1 is absolutely 100% right! Lexsucks has gotten better but Blazing boy is as racist as they come~


Joe_LimonJoe_Limon - 1/23/2012 3:59:22 PM
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I don't get your numbers why I try calculating the weighted average percentage. I get a small half a percent gain in the overall vehicles sold.


Agent009Agent009 - 1/23/2012 4:23:53 PM
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Here are the complete figures overall http://www.hybridcars.com/news/december-2011-dashboard-sales-still-climbing-35093.html



Agent001Agent001 - 1/23/2012 4:23:50 PM
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Buyers of Lexus aren't necessarily looking for the premium label? Did you hit your head?

001


Agent009Agent009 - 1/23/2012 4:25:10 PM
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no comment... ;)


chewychewy - 1/24/2012 3:06:34 AM
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I don't see the i brand in selling inhigh numbers either. Aside from the Prius no hybrid really matters if looking at the sales figures.


AgentOrangeAgentOrange - 1/23/2012 4:45:06 PM
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For the pretentious and self-righteous it is still a price worth paying...


Joe_LimonJoe_Limon - 1/23/2012 5:49:09 PM
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I don't think you can consider the Touareg a premium vehicle. Also, you forgot to post other premium hybrids.

Lexus GS450h 33 282 -7.50%
Lexus HS 250h 274 2,864 -73.10%
Lexus LS600hL 9 84 -34.90%
Lexus RX400/450h 1,233 10,723 -29.00%
Cad. Escalade 79 819 -32.30%
BMW X6 3 43 -82.70%



Joe_LimonJoe_Limon - 1/24/2012 10:43:43 AM
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so you do honestly believe the Touareg is a premium vehicle? lol!


topneurotopneuro - 1/23/2012 5:55:37 PM
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The failure of the electric car is again greatly exaggerated. Only recently the Leaf has become available in all 50 states. The first Leaf vehicles sold in the U.S. are produced at Nissan’s plant in Oppama, Japan, which started production on October 22, 2010. The first U.S. customer delivery took place in Northern California on December 11, 2010. The plant has an annual production capacity of 50,000 vehicles. Production of the electric car was disrupted for several months beginning in March 2011 due to the earthquake and tsunami in Japan, and as a result, Nissan announced it was not able to reach its 2011 production target of 50,000 Leafs. Nissan expects to increase sales in 2012 to 40,000 units from 20,000 in 2011, as production returned to normal output and the Leaf will be available in more European countries and more regional markets in the U.S. At this time Nissan has delivered 10,000 Leaf’s in U.S and 20,000 worldwide (US included). Commercial U.S. production is slated to begin in late 2012 at Nissan's manufacturing facility in Smyrna, Tennessee. The Smyrna plant is expected to produce up to 150,000 vehicles and 200,000 battery packs annually. Nissan currently doesn't have enough LEAFs to be delivered to its U.S. customers (inventory level is ~20 days supply).


Joe_LimonJoe_Limon - 1/23/2012 5:59:11 PM
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Isn't ~20 days supply pretty standard? Unless of course you have a dud, then it'll take forever to move it.


topneurotopneuro - 1/23/2012 6:15:46 PM
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No, a dud is the Volt, which is only being sold in US currently (plus a few in Canada), and is having significant inventory as this point (but not enough demands, inventory level now at 130+ days supply).


vdivvdiv - 1/23/2012 8:35:24 PM
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Strange, when I went to look at one back in November, the dealership in No. VA only had one 2012 "Viridian Joule" and a 2011 silver demo (with the Volt stickers on the sides), the dealership in NC only had a 2012 black demo, neither could tell me what they were getting and when or whether they could trade with other dealerships. Said if I ordered one it should be delivered within 2 months. Decided to wait until the Spring.


knowitall1985knowitall1985 - 1/23/2012 6:09:51 PM
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It's going to take some time for hybrids to catch on. Most people who bought them like them and will buy another. The technology keeps getting better. Like the new ES hybrid will have 200hp and still get around 40 to 42 mpg combined.


investor27investor27 - 1/23/2012 6:32:29 PM
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Give me a diesel all-wheel drive sedan and we'll see?


investor27investor27 - 1/23/2012 6:33:02 PM
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Give me a diesel all-wheel drive sedan and we'll see if we can improve those numbers?


knowitall1985knowitall1985 - 1/26/2012 3:09:48 PM
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You won't get that kind of mileage with the oil burner....


GlobalistGlobalist - 1/23/2012 8:14:29 PM
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I think the problem isn't their being a hybrid as much as it is the fact that many of them aren't as desirable as they could be. The technology certainly keeps getting better, and the drop-off in sales could reflect the near-planned-obsolescence speed of new hybrids, diesels, and turbocharged direct-injected 2.0 engines trumping older models of nearly all dated eco/econo-designs. I for one want one of those diesel-hybrid models Volvo is working on. The future is bright for efficient motoring, and anyone who denies that is an ignoramus.


BondMI6BondMI6 - 1/23/2012 11:26:23 PM
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Sonata selling well........

Good for them.


I95SPEEDINGTICKETSI95SPEEDINGTICKETS - 1/24/2012 6:19:41 AM
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I am not going to comment on wether Hybrids are superior to Petrol or Diesel Engines, what i can say is that for me, my clients and all my friends we prefer Diesel powered vehicles when we need High MPG or Torque and Petrol powered vehicles when we want POWWEEERRRRR !!!

Hybrids just don't make sense to us. It might work for others, just not us.


Joe_LimonJoe_Limon - 1/24/2012 10:45:39 AM
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And lots of extra weight due to having to have both an electric and a conventionally driven car.


MeanVulcanMeanVulcan - 1/24/2012 10:47:29 AM
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angryinch1...but no performance due to the added weight


Joe_LimonJoe_Limon - 1/26/2012 3:21:13 PM
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I'd love to see your data showing that the added weight helps improve the overall performance of the Accord. Not just straight line speed, but a fair and balanced analysis giving weight to both straight line speed/acceleration as well as lateral grip and responsiveness.


coltonbravcoltonbrav - 1/25/2012 5:40:25 PM
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not a chance, mates. if you've seen the advanced and killer stuff coming from the california startups you'd know that this is the future. electricity for the united states will come increasingly from natural gas over the next 40 years. these new powertrain/drivetrain technologies are superior to anything else anywhere. note they weren't included in this article.


GlobalistGlobalist - 1/26/2012 10:56:04 AM
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Indeed. You can argue numbers, but Venture Capitalists think they know what they're talking about too. coltonbrav is on to something here.


weaponXweaponX - 1/26/2012 2:22:58 PM
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Doesn't bode well for the next NSX.

Not unless Acura can magically engineer a hybrid machine that can lap the Ring in 7:20 and hit 60mph in under 3secs.


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