WHO Makes The HIGHEST QUALITY, LONGEST LASTING Premium Cars Today? And WHO Makes The WORST?

I'll play.

Porsche.

What's with Lexus fans on this site always trying to convince everyone how much smarter they are than everyone else? Are Rolls Royce or Ferraris reliable? They don't have to be. Luxury means buying what expresses your desires and if you like driving, it won't be a Lexus for sure! BMW and Audi aren't luxury? Only if by luxury you mean couch on wheels, but luxury is different things to different people. I've been in all of the brands and each one has their good and bad gizmos. And if you've tried all the cars, you'll notice the Lexus has the worst interior - it won't break, I grant you that, but the materials aren't up there with the German brands and that's why a Lexus costs less.

NoMoreObama2012, BMW is not a Luxury "Name"? Dumbest thing I've read so far today. Your views on cars are just as messed up as your views on politics.

pondosinatra,

Lexus Builds overpriced crap cars that only Americans are dumb enough to purhcase. People in europe sat in a Lexus and they voted with thier wallets. Get over it. And when I sit in a Lexus I can see the cheapness. As do the Europeans. It's only the americans who cant see it. And I'm not surprised, the american education system ranks 17th in the world.

“And yet foreigners make up close to 25% of all college-level students”

-It’s the people who are stupid. Not the education system.


“Better yet, Lexus has actually IMPROVED their market share in Europe despite being there less than a DECADE compared to a combined TWO CENTURIES for both Benz and Bimmer!!”

- Again with your lies. Lexus has been in Europe for over a decade. Mid 90’s to be exact.


“And please don't talk cheapness, you drive a Mitsubishi for chrissakes, and I already pointed out in the link comparo of your car vs. a 3-series and it specifically got knocked for it's cheap interior quality....and that was against the LAST 3-series which also got dinged for interior quality against...wait for it...THE IS350!!”

- A comparison that the MITSUBISHI won. LOL!!!! Wait for the next IS350? Wasn’t the current IS350 supposed to be the be-all-end-all?

There's more to a car than the freaking interior you dumbass.

"Wrong again, they only offered the LS and ES, and it wasn't until 2004 that they started offering their complete lineup."

- Why didn't they sell? I see the ES as a car that only a person who doesn't know anything about cars would pay a premium for. Apparently the Europeans felt the same way. They saw right through the dressed up Camry. Americans can't.

Unfortunately, the lowest quality, but the longest lasting ride is NoMoreObamas mother.Its in her DNA.People keep comparing her to sheep and horses. but to me...she rivals a goat... She is still trying to figure out if she has a camel toe or a moose knuckle. But like her son she is an attention whore. So either way she is not worth the money.

Spy6

You are correct, the comment is vile, but more important is the fact that it is ABSOLUTELY HILLARIOUS.

If i could give it 10 boosts i would.

alpha_q2
Good One Mate :-)

how many old lexus do you see on the road? i hardly ever see an early LS or SC. however, i see many, many mercedes from the 60s, 70, 80s and 90s. so based on reality i'm going to say mercedes hands down.

that has not been my experience. and when i do see them, they look awful and dated. compare that to an 80s S-class which is still an elegant car.

sadly untrue. don't see any of these old lexi on the roads on the wealthy coasts of the country. maybe they're all somewhere in texas. or illinois.

There's a beautiful 1980s S-Class in the movie "The Great Outdoors" starring Dan Aykroyd.

Lexus' recommended service schedule means that their cars go into the shop for servicing more than twice as often as their competitors. That is fact.

"Your Lexus should receive scheduled maintenance every 5,000 miles or every six months"

http://www.lexus.com/models/LX/service/schedule_maintenance.html



From pages 1 and 2 of a Car and Driver article on the Lexus IS-F

"These first two stops were complimentary, but every 5000 miles after that, the maintenance work came with a bill."


"That the Lexus requires more than twice as many scheduled visits as any of those other three might have something to do with that."


http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2008-lexus-is-f-long-term-road-test

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2008-lexus-is-f-long-term-road-test-maintenance-and-fuel-costs-page-2

See also

https://secure.drivers.lexus.com/lexusdrivers/info/my-lexus/service/maintenance-schedule.do

to confirm that "Scheduled maintenance is recommended every 6 months or 5,000 miles, whichever occurs first" applies to all Lexus models.

Lexus' recommended service interval *today* is every six months or 5000 miles and unless their competitors have increased their scheduled service frequency, Lexus' scheduled visits are *still* more than twice as often as its competitors. And have a look at a what's involved in a 30000 mile servicing for a 2012 LS460, for example. It's a lot more than just an oil change. Such frequent servicing is a good way to spot problems, though, which keeps Lexus at the top of the reliability surveys.

https://secure.drivers.lexus.com/lexusdrivers/info/my-lexus/service/maintenance-schedule.do

From my personal experience (my cars only not including my wifes). This are actual issues I've encountered with my cars since after I got commissioned until now. I retired out of the military and currently work as an exec for a pharma co. and drive substantially on an annual basis.

1. 1992 Honda Civic - Owned it for 9 years, 120K when I got rid of it. Besides the normal tear and wear, I had issues with its computer, A/C compressor (twice), rear window motor and and alternator.
2. 2001 VW Passat - Put 90K on this thing and NEVER had and issue!
3. 2005 MB C230 Sport Sedan - 97K, Great car but had to replace the engine head due to loss of compression (this happened at 75K). Paid S3,000 out of pocket!
4. 2009 LS 460 - 76K - Another great car but had to replace the front rotors twice already.
All the maintenance on these cars have been completed per maintenance manual and at the dealerships.
I make my own decisions when I purchase cars, I do not rely on biased magazine opinions (JD P & Consumer Reports) which are NOT written by car enthusiasts but marketing dollars. I personally believe that the way you drive your vehicle will affect the reliability and dependability of it.

Good for you.

Only a moron would go by the clearly ridiculous articles and surveys done by these non-independent magazines.

Unfortunately there seems to be an oversupply of morons.

NoMoreObama2012,

If Lexus is so good then why can’t they sell any cars outside of the USA? "Lexus #1 for the last 10yrs."? Yeah… but only in America. LOL!!! You act as if the rest of the world doesn't exist. LOL!!

It's only Americans like you that are dumb enough to believe that Toyota Um... Lexus builds better cars that BMW or Mercedes. The rest of the world aren't as dumb as Americans. How else can you explain it? I mean the rest of the world doesn’t want to have anything to do with an overpriced Toyota, while Americans believe that they are the best. Dummies.

Someone please explain to this person that Lexus has serious problems shifting cars outside of the USA.

Or does he think the USA is the whole world ?

The japanese are in the market because they are cheaper vehicles! People want to feel like they are buying luxury at a cheaper price. They have cheap interior, cheap buttons, cheap suspensions and when you drive them at 60,000 miles, they are crap. People believe the marketing hype of the japanese who cant do anything on their own. All they do is copy. I would enver buy japanese.

"Maybe because the United States has been the LARGEST LUXURY CAR MARKET for almost 27 years now."

- So everywhere else doesn't matter? Even though collectively the other countries add up to more sales than the USA? Typical American dismissing the rest of the planet. LOL!!



“See, this is where your arguments are flawed because the US also makes both the 3-series and E-class perrenial #1s EVERY year, yet no one makes the "stupid Americans" argument when that happens”

- What a flawed mess. Americans purchase 100,000s of 3-series and E-Classes as well as the rest of the planet. But only Americans buy Lexus. Why is that? It’s because the rest of the world aren’t as dumb as Americans. We rank 17th in education for Christ sakes.

Lexus has been in decline way before any Tsunami and even after Tsunami its market share keeps sinking. Since 2006 Lexus' market share in the US Luxury Market (Audi/BMW/MB/Lexus/Infiniti/Acura) has gone from 26% to 18%, steadily year after year. Blaming the weather is a pretty lame EXCUSE.

"Why is it bmw/audi/benz drivers lease their vehicles rather than purchase it?" because some people like to drive the newest technology all the time, and CAN AFFORD TO DO SO. You take the numbers and make your own wrong conclusion. I'd even argue that Lexus drivers only care about reliable transportation, not the dynamics of driving or the enjoyment of riding on the latest technology. That is why Lexus is considered by most to be a BORING brand.

"Why is it Lexus rank #1 for the last 10yrs on conquered sales from other brands?" where did you read this, the Godzilla Gazette? I let sales speak for me, not opinion. Add all the sales for the brands stated above since 2006 and see for yourself. It would serve you well to know what you are talking about.

"People get tired of paying lux prices, but having below junk quality and reliability. (Last week I saw a brand new audi a5, but the driverside LED light was out. If i was the owner..I'd be upset. Because really audi is only known for the LED lights and nothing else. Second, if audi can't even keep a LED light working..what other fundamental and technical issues will I have.) " ... do you know the concept of statistics? ... ill make it plain and simple...if you have one fault out of 10,000 its no big deal, its .0001 of your total. I have seen every brand of car with some fault. Single issues mean squat. So your argument is absolutely WORTHLESS. Look at 10,000 A5's and tell me what % have faulty LEDs then I'll listen.

Lastly, if Audi only has the LEDs then I wonder why it has the FASTEST growing market share, mostly taken away from Lexus ...Audi's market share in 2006 7.3%/ 2011 11.5%/ 2012 YTD 12.7%, Lexus 2006 26%/2011 18.6%/2012 YTD 16.7%.

Audi overtook MB in global LUXURY CAR SALES, and is second ONLY to BMW. Lexus is nowhere on the list. These are FACTS not jealousy based opinions.

BTW, if you so much hate the LEDs then complain to your Lexus dealer because it seems Lexus (and other makers) have absolutely NO CREATIVITY and chose to COPY Audi's lead in lighting styling. I laugh every time I see an IS drive by with the COPYCAT LEDs. Who buys a wannabe anyway???

pondosinatra,

Excuses,excuses... Anything other than the fact that Europeans do not like Lexus. Not sure why that hurts you so much.

pondosinatra

If you really believe that a higher % of the USA population go to college and graduate than the Germans or other Scandanavian Countries you are definitely BEYOND SALVAGE.

I suggest you actually jump on a flight and see the world outside FOX NEWS.

They're luxury car bargoons just like the new Equus.

I guess all the Ferrari F50s, Enzos, FXXs, GTOs, Bugati Veyrons, Maclaren F1s, Pagani Zonda, Huyara, Koenigsegg CCR & Agera and other Hypercar owners wanted cushy vehicles and were fooled into buying them by super smart salespeople or they were working class people who forgot their place on the food chain and bought above their pay grade.

My experience: MB Engines the Best. Lexus, best electronics and overall reliability. Porsche, Best Luxury Sport Cars Beside MB AMGs. Entry Level Acura.

"WHO Makes The HIGHEST QUALITY, LONGEST LASTING Premium Cars Today? And WHO Makes The WORST?"

WTF?? Are freaking kidding me??!! This is a car site!! Shouldn't Autospies have some empirical way of solving this?? You want OPINIONS??? Way to get scientific guys!!!
Rise above it Autospies!! OPINIONS are like assholes; EVERYBODY has one!!!

Now go!! Make me proud!!!

I'm on my 4th Benz and have had very few issues with them. I keep them serviced and they've treated me well. Drove each of them to at least 75k.
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And how much did you pay for those oil changes. When I took my European car in it cost me $120 dollars at the dealership. (What a waste).

Once again, everyone here falls for a traffic boosting useless question from Autospies.

Had an A6 for 10 years, no major repairs, only maintenance. I did replace the DVD player and had window pinch issues. Other than that, it run as smooth as day one, as quiet as day one and most noticeably it never RUSTED!

RUST is the major difference between Audi's and other Japanese brands. My previous car (before the A6) was an Acura, it lasted many years with many miles, except it seemed it lost power as it got older and it Rusted like an iron block in the middle of Salt Lake!!

Which one would I rather have? I think the choice is clear. Double galvanized steel or aluminum bodies in Audis will last you much much longer than any rustbucket the Japanese make. I'm on my second Audi and no issues whatsoever. Experience always trumps opinionated articles or sponsored biased magazines.

I'll take germans Audi, MB and BMW (in that order) any day over any Japanese rust bucket.

I do belong to the AudiWorld forum, and I do know pplenty of owners who have no compliants either, namely three relatives and a sister-in-law. Plus, forums are for those interested in repairing or modifying their cars, so by definition you have a majority of people with problems. This does not represent the overall majority,a nd I think this is evident in Audi rising year over year in reliability ratings and customer satisfaction, not to mention resale value.

pondosinatra,

How about some numbers from anywhere else other than America.

Anger management, gentlemen?

mkt shr of US Lux Mkt
Lexus Audi BMW MB Inf Acura
2006 26.0% 7.3% 21.7% 19.4% 9.5% 16.1%
2007 25.8% 7.3% 23.0% 19.8% 9.9% 14.1%
2008 24.8% 8.0% 22.8% 20.6% 10.4% 13.3%
2009 24.7% 9.5% 22.6% 21.8% 9.3% 12.2%
2010 22.8% 10.1% 21.9% 21.5% 10.3% 13.3%
2011 18.6% 11.5% 24.3% 24.0% 9.6% 12.1%
2012 16.7% 12.7% 22.3% 27.6% 9.2% 11.4% (YTD)

change -7.4% +4.2% +2.6% +4.6% +0.1% -4.0% 2006-2011

Since 2006 and considering the trend in 2012, the Japanese have lost altogether over 15% market share to the Germans. Audi and MB have TAKEN 13.7% of this share to themselves.

THIS ARE FACTS. Go ahead and twist the truth all you want.

*minus typos

a minus ... LOL, someone did not like the TRUTH!

pondosinatra,

Excuses, excuses, excuses... LOL!!!

mkt shr of US Lux Mkt
_____Lexus__Audi_BMW___MB_____Inf__Acura
2006 26.0%__7.3%_21.7%_19.4%__9.5%_16.1%
2007 25.8%__7.3%_23.0%_19.8%__9.9%_14.1%
2008 24.8%__8.0%_22.8%_20.6%_10.4%_13.3%
2009 24.7%__9.5%_22.6%_21.8%__9.3%_12.2%
2010 22.8%_10.1%_21.9%_21.5%_10.3%_13.3%
2011 18.6%_11.5%_24.3%_24.0%__9.6%_12.1%
2012 16.7%_12.7%_22.3%_27.6%__9.2%_11.4% (YTD)

chge -7.4% +4.2% +2.6% +4.6% +0.1% -4.0% 2006-2011

Since 2006 and considering the trend in 2012, the Japanese have lost over 15% market share to the Germans. Audi and MB have TAKEN 13.7% of this share to themselves.

THESE ARE FACTS. Go ahead and twist the truth all you want

pondosinatra,

Only Americans like Lexus. LOL!!!!

I think you added wrong with Audi. (12.7 - 7.3 ==> 5.4%; not 4.2)

I notice more old Lexus and Acuras on the road as opposed to old Euro cars.

Lexus no doubt on top, and GM rock bottom.

So the engines breaking down due to oil sludge in Lexus/Toyota does not count on their dependability I guess.Also the recalls do not count either.I thought everytime you have a problem its not dependable.We paid $1000 for a Nakamichi stereo upgrade which broke in less than 50k.When it was taken out it was a Matsushita.The dealer had replaced the faceplate.What a scam.BMW is way more luxurious than Lexus.

Go to the most extensive and long term survey from owners, Consumers Reports. Hands down Lexus for reliability.

Man, just what we needed. A flame war.

In my experience Mercedes holds up the best amongst the Europeans though BMW and Audi aren't far behind. I've never owned a Jaguar so I can't comment on them.

Amongst the Japanese I've had very good experiences with Honda and Acura, which IMO makes much better cars than Toyota (which I owned in the past). Never owned a Nissan, Mazda, Suzuki etc.

But you know, at the end of the day what also matters is how people take care of their cars such as changing the oil at precise intervals etc.

Porsche 911, nothing else compares