Website Calls BMW The Ultimate Poser Machine And That The 'M' Brand Is Dead? RIGHT? Or Not Very BRIGHT?

Website Calls BMW The Ultimate Poser Machine And That The 'M' Brand Is Dead? RIGHT? Or Not Very BRIGHT?
I always get a chuckle when I read auto journalists opinion articles about cars that they have never owned nor could own even if they pooled the salaries of all the bloggers on their staff.

But never the less, I love reading stuff like this because it's just interesting to us why it upsets them so much when a car company makes a model that just isn't PERFECT for them and they can't understand that there are many different customers with different needs than them.

And that car companies need to make MONEY.

And a GREAT way to do that is offer special editions of popular cars.

Like the 'Lime Rock' M3 this writer rails on in the article.

Message to blogger...YOU may not like it but it doesn't mean it WON'T sell!

So here are a couple quotes and you can read the full article at the link and let us know what you think...

"The M brand used to mean something.  Really mean something. To me and auto enthusiasts everywhere."

"I can't wait to meet the guy that buys these Lime Rock editions. He's the one that checks out of his hotel in the morning wearing his fire suit for his BMW CCA driver school session that doesn't start till 10 am because he wants the girl at the front desk to know that he is "racing" today. That guy. "

"There is no car that says "I want to pretend I'm a performance driver, a racer, but never go to the track" more than the current M brand.  It's a fraud leveraging the company's rich racing history and it pisses me off."

NOTE: BMW doesn't care.

It will sell whether you like it or not.

Is it the ULTIMATE 'M'?

No, but it wasn't intended to be.

Let me put it another way so maybe you understand...

Are SPORT versions of BMW, MB's, Audi's and Lexus' REALLY SPORTS cars?

But how many people who buy them HAVE to check off that box before purchasing one because to them it's the SPORT version?

MORAL: They have to build things that people will buy in order to continue to fund 'M' divisions. And it's important companies continually try to add new versions to see what could be the next big thing.

Lighten up Mr. Purist Blogger. Not every car is built for YOU.





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FirewombatFirewombat - 7/12/2012 8:55:30 PM
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That was 80% of 1 series owners. Get your facts straight or else you look like an idiot.


JRobUSCJRobUSC - 7/12/2012 4:39:30 PM
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Magazine writers expect every new M model to be a stripped down 2500lb track car. That might win you some magazine comparison tests, but back in the real world actual buyers want cars they can drive every day. They want navigation systems, Blueooth, comfortable seats, a suspension that doesn't knock out your teeth, etc. in their "fast luxury cars", they are not paying $70-100k for a super powerful 1993 Miata. You can either win the comparison tests with a single focus car hardly anyone will buy, or broaden the appeal as much as possible and actually stay in business. And that goes for everyone, whether it's BMW, Audi, Benz, whatever.


Agent001Agent001 - 7/12/2012 5:36:33 PM
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Excellent point sir.

001


LexSucksLexSucks - 7/12/2012 5:37:25 PM
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"Why would you want an "M" as an every day driver's car?"

- Why not?


LexusLexus - 7/12/2012 7:22:07 PM
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@JRobUSC,

than get a Lexus IS-F or Audi RS5. But I still think the BMW M division still offer "one" of the best sports sedan and coupe out there.


JRobUSCJRobUSC - 7/12/2012 9:16:12 PM
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"Why would you want an "M" as an every day driver's car?"

I don't really understand the question. If you wouldn't want an M (or an RS or an AMG or an F) as a daily driver, then you probably wouldn't want one period. That's the point of the cars, always has been. M's were always supposed to be a "wolf in sheeps clothing", sleepers, cars you could drive to work during the week and to the track on weekends. The E39, a car that is pretty universally revered, was the perfect example of that. Comfortable on the road, capable on a track. The duality is WHY people wanted cars like that, it wasn't considered a negative and it was never a "track only" car. If all you wanted was a race car, why would you want something as big as an M5, E63, RS6, etc. anyway? There's no point in not making cars like that "two in one" cars.


JRobUSCJRobUSC - 7/13/2012 10:40:20 AM
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Jesus, you and your BMW vitriol. I'm starting to believe you work for a marketing firm, or for another car manufacturer.

Not everyone lives in the snow belt. In fact the majority of the country does not NEED all-wheel drive, and almost NO ONE needs all-wheel drive year round. I live in Cincinnati. This past winter there was not a single day I could not drive my rear drive Z4 35is with the factory 19" sport tires. Just in case I do have a set of winter wheels and tires sitting in my garage, waiting to go on, but I didn't need them once. And there are many many many more people in the country who could get around with a set of snow tires for a few days or a month each year than there are people who need all-wheel drive 365 days a year. Hell, there are more people who could get around year round with rear drive and no snow tires whatsoever than there are people who legitimately "need" an all-wheel drive.

I get that you hate BMW (whether it's real hatred or "hired" hatred). But by no stretch of logic is all-wheel drive necessary for a daily driver car, at least not for 99% of the populace.


JRobUSCJRobUSC - 7/13/2012 10:57:55 AM
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oh, and btw, the "a few posters that state even an S4 does [suck in snow and ice]....they've never driven one" thing. That is ignorance, plain and simple. In fact it's more than ignorance, it's dangerous, and if you're really a car person and not just the hired brand mouthpiece I believe you to be, you'll retract that statement.

All-wheel drive and sport tires are a recipe for accidents in bad whether because of the same idiotic over confidence you just propogated. The type of tires on a car make as much or more of a difference in inclement weather than how many wheels are being driven. All-wheel drive will help you scratch and claw your way from being stopped to moving in low traction conditions, even with sport tires. I'll grant you that. But the problem is there are two other very important things you need to be able to do to drive safely in snow and ice, and they are "turning" and "stopping". Both of those are almost exclusively tire related functions, and sport tires (which an S4 comes with) do not perform those functions at all in snow or ice. So while you'll successfully be able to get yourself up to an unsafe speed in your sport tire equipped S4 (or RS model) faster than someone in a rear drive car with sport tires, once you have to turn or stop you're no better off than they are. But because you're probably overconfident about the awesomeness of your four rings all-wheel drive babe magnet, you're more likely to wreck than the guy in the rear drive car who is fully aware of the limitations of his car.

Personally the reason I don't get all-wheel drive cars is I don't want to give up the fun of rear wheel drive 350 days a year for the two weeks it may snow. A set of snow tires fit in the corner of my garage, and I can slap those on in a half hour in my garage if I need them for a week or two a year. I'm not sacrificing 350 days for 15 days. I don't live in Antarctica. But then neither do most people.


ThierryHenry14ThierryHenry14 - 7/13/2012 11:24:58 AM
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Pondosinatra is an idiot. Not everyone lives in area with snow, and these cars are not sold only in the US. These cars do just fine in the inclement weather, given you don't drive like an idiot. I've had my S4 cab for a few years now and it does absolutely fine in the backcountry roads of Greenwich Connecticut in my tires (I don't even need the snow tires).

Unless you plan to drive like a maniac, which you shouldn't do anyway on public roads, these cars will do just fine.


LexSucksLexSucks - 7/13/2012 1:05:47 PM
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"Pondosinatra is an idiot."

- 100% true.



LexSucksLexSucks - 7/13/2012 1:07:52 PM
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pondosinatra,

Look at how much you're being deboosted.


LexSucksLexSucks - 7/12/2012 5:36:43 PM
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Isn't that the Article that I submitted this morning? I knew that it would be posted. Guess you don't want to give me credit for it?


Agent001Agent001 - 7/12/2012 6:01:50 PM
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It was incomplete and only one sentence.

Thanks for the tipoff but it needs to have more meat next time and a good photo.

001



LexSucksLexSucks - 7/13/2012 1:03:21 PM
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"Like many of his posts. Lemme guess, also typos and a few 'LOLs'? "

- And you call me a troll? What does your reply have to do with cars? Its all personal with you. Guess you're still smarting from the beat-down I gave you in the other post. How else would you explain this unprovoked insult? No one else seems to be attacking me with the vigor that you do. This is funny. It's obvious that I'm under your skin.


enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 7/12/2012 8:26:47 PM
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ah envy.


david999david999 - 7/12/2012 8:52:20 PM
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True, a lot of "posers" drive an M3, but I would give the Audi RS the Ultimate poser's car.


JRobUSCJRobUSC - 7/13/2012 10:42:02 AM
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and now we know who you work for.


ThierryHenry14ThierryHenry14 - 7/13/2012 11:29:42 AM
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extreme flares are useful when you are at tracks, at high speeds, taking curves at 120mph, overtaking a slower vehicle, where every hundreth of a second counts, therefore, every pound of downforce is needed and important. For the 99.99% of the people who drive these cars on the streets, its not needed. Its for aesthetics, and thats purely subjective.

Its like seeing Honda Civics with large rear wings... Why would you want downforce on the rear of a front engine, front wheel drive car that tops out at 100mph? Flares on a street car is meaningless


MorePowerMorePower - 7/12/2012 11:13:29 PM
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Times have changed. It is a lot harder to find a clear stretch of road and not pull a beiber.

Arguments can be made that the Corvette is the ultimate poser car, and the Escale was/is the ultimate poser truck.




dlindlin - 7/13/2012 12:25:20 AM
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Great article. One day BMW might come up with a 'W' brand that positions over 'M' brand. :)

BWM and LEXUS have gone toward each other. I don't know when they'll meet, but I know Lexus/Toyota has the LFA, however it's priced.


texigetexige - 7/13/2012 9:07:10 AM
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Street cars make lousy race cars and vice versa. M, Amg and others make awesome street cars but anyone that thinks they are a race car is confused. You can pickup a small formula car for a fraction of the price and not put dings, new tires, brakes ..... just about every time you track a car like an M3 and you will have a lot more fun. I am sure if someone wants a race stripped race M3, BMW will make you one.


Yonder7Yonder7 - 7/13/2012 9:12:44 AM
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I love MB , is my favorite car company...but that does not blind me to the point that I can not see that M3 is the best sport car in that category. All other Ms are like AMG answers. What I hate is that before we were able to see a clear difference between BMW and MB...Now BMW are too heavy and MB to sporty. I like Powerful cars but as quiet as possible...Thats why MB was great to me....Now the entire AMG is to loud to be considered (by me) as sophisticated car, Still my favorites cause MB still the King in luxury cars as BMW M3 Still the King in that category BUT now is too heavy to be considered as a real Sport car...Are you Kidding...Electric seats, windows, mirrors, Cruise control...etc... just give AC and M3 will be what should be..


800over800over - 7/13/2012 9:56:43 AM
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Let me see if I get this right: some people who have no business making comments about high end cars call themselves automotive journalists and write opinion pieces about things they no nothing about.

Is this about Autospies?


ThierryHenry14ThierryHenry14 - 7/13/2012 11:39:49 AM
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you know, its not even really about that. Its about recognizing that a street car is a street car and not made for the tracks.

Its like saying a gun is a horrible weapon because it cannot stab someone, therefore, a gun is a poser weapon. No, a gun was designed specifically to shoot (as an M3 is designed for the streets), and not to stab like a knife (like an M3 GT2/4 is made specifically for the tracks).


ThierryHenry14ThierryHenry14 - 7/13/2012 11:37:03 AM
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Well, this article is just purely idiotic... The cars are not posers. Its the drivers who thinks these cars are made for the tracks that are the idiots. The cars are what they are, high power reiteration of the 3er, C-klasse, A4, etc... They are made for the streets. If you want to race an M3, go buy yourself an M3 GT2/4 and go all out on the tracks... If you want to race a car, buy a race car, not a street car with a lot of horse power. Those are for posers... The car itself is meant for the street. Unless BMW comes out and say this M3 is the track version, the regular M3 is for the streets and daily driving. Nothing Poser about it.


USNA1999USNA1999 - 7/13/2012 7:48:27 PM
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"True, a lot of "posers" drive an M3, but I would give the Audi RS the Ultimate poser's car".
Not sure that is a legitimate statement. Two of my friends own M3s. One is a cardiologists (2011 M3) and the other a Director at Big Pharma which in addition to owning a 2007 M3 also owns a 911. Not really sure they are posers, just wealthy and able to purchase almost anything in the market. Sure there are some "posers" that do, just like most in this board.


skytopskytop - 7/13/2012 10:32:06 PM
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Like obama, the policy of telling the greater LIE is difficult to counter. The bigger the lie, the more difficult for the public to differentiate between the lie and the fact.




USNA1999USNA1999 - 7/14/2012 8:06:49 AM
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blazingboy keep drinking the OBAMA kool aid while people like me support your bad habits. I am tired of giving away my hard earned money in order to support a society full of moochers!
BTW Aren't you working overseas? What percentage of taxes are you paying? Remember, I am a retired military officer and I know all the overseas tax loop holes.


USNA1999USNA1999 - 7/14/2012 8:09:33 AM
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Really? you are throwing the word "racist". You must be african american.


79Cannonball79Cannonball - 7/15/2012 7:42:45 PM
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Agent001 doth protest too much, methinks.
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